View Full Version : Which varieties would you most like to see Agri-Starts start tc'ing?
GreenFin
10-18-2013, 06:47 PM
I've been talking with one of the Agri-Starts VP's about getting them to tc SH-3640. He was open to the suggestion and seems excited about adding it to their selection, so I figured I'd start a thread to see what other varieties you'd like to see them add.
The main benefit of them tc'ing a variety, imo, is that it would probably become widely available and easy to get. Here are some I'd like to see:
1) SH-3640
2) real Ice Cream/Blue Java (gotta correct that problem)
3) Highgate (the shortest dwarf Gros Michel available?)
4) Pisang Klotek (the shortest Mysore available?)
5) Muraru Mshale (According to Gabe (http://www.bananas.org/f2/year-growing-bananas-11667.html), "This African diploid produces relatively large bunches of 8-10in fruits with an intensely thick and aromatic pulp. Flavor and texture-wise, it is very reminiscent to me of the famed 'Gros Michel' bananas, though perhaps even more flavorful with an even firmer texture to it.")
What would you like to see them start tc'ing?
Here's a list of the 32 Musa varieties that A-S is currently tc'ing (http://www.agristarts.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/plants.main/typeID/37/index.htm). (note: their Ice Cream and Misi Luki are actually Namwahs)
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sunfish
10-18-2013, 07:02 PM
AE AE AND Fe'i banana
caliboy1994
10-18-2013, 07:29 PM
How about Hua Moa and Yangambi KM-5? :goteam:
jbyrd88888
10-18-2013, 08:19 PM
4) Pisang Klotek (the shortest Mysore available?)****<= I'd like to see more of this one
5) Muraru Mshale (interesting hmmm)
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more ladyfinger
Abnshrek
10-18-2013, 08:21 PM
We could get them to T/C a CaliGold.. :^)
Richard
10-18-2013, 08:31 PM
AE AE AND Fe'i banana
If memory serves correctly (!), somewhere on this site Gabe discusses why TC's of Ae Ae are not variegated.
sunfish
10-18-2013, 08:52 PM
If memory serves correctly (!), somewhere on this site Gabe discusses why TC's of Ae Ae are not variegated.
Yes your memory is correct :)
Richard
10-18-2013, 09:15 PM
Many people who have been on this site for years would value Greenie (http://www.bananas.org/member-greenie.html)'s input on this thread.
robguz24
10-18-2013, 09:56 PM
Agree especially about SH-3640, Yangambi km5, real Ice Cream. I'd love to get my hands on Pitogo, Ele Ele, Monkey Fingers, and really almost any of the other FHIA types they aren't already selling.
crazy banana
10-18-2013, 10:47 PM
None. Because I would rather get a pup from one of you reputable bananas.org members who put a lot of time, effort, pride and knowledge in your collections, instead of a "wanna be" TC from a wholesale supplier.
CountryBoy1981
10-19-2013, 09:06 AM
I would have to say a dwarf brazilian, cocos/highgate, and the real ice cream.
Next Level
10-19-2013, 01:36 PM
None. Because I would rather get a pup from one of you reputable bananas.org members who put a lot of time, effort, pride and knowledge in your collections, instead of a "wanna be" TC from a wholesale supplier.
Well said.
I think before they get more varieties they should get the real ones for all the fakes they carry.
servatusprime
10-19-2013, 02:37 PM
If there are going to be new varieties placed into tissue culture. My vote is for varieties that are either undervalued or underrepresented. I know a lot of people want to go crazy for the real ice cream (I thought I bought it from GB when I didn't know better), but every taste report I read seems to indicate that it is not worth the hype. So why mass produce something that's a bit mediocre, other than the novelty of it?
I would also suggest plant hardiness, growth rate, and ripening time be factored in for the selection process. Making rare plants available is great, but if they only flourish under certain and ideal conditions, I think some folks would get frustrated and rip it out at some point. Where's the fun in that? Probably harder to sell high maintenance plants too.
Being that I am by no means an experienced expert, I would like to see the input from those that have been at it for awhile and have eaten or tried growing many varieties.
eddiemunozep
10-19-2013, 04:17 PM
I like the whole idea(s)...do you have to buy 72 plants from Agristarts?
edzone9
10-19-2013, 04:22 PM
144 is the minimum and you must be a nursery or farmer.
sunfish
10-19-2013, 04:25 PM
Texas Star
GreenFin
10-19-2013, 04:53 PM
None. Because I would rather get a pup from one of you reputable bananas.org members who put a lot of time, effort, pride and knowledge in your collections, instead of a "wanna be" TC from a wholesale supplier.
I think before they get more varieties they should get the real ones for all the fakes they carry.
Their tc'ing of Gros Michel has made it widely available to the mainland US members here. When they tc SH-3640, it'll be the same way.
A lot of the pups that get traded are descendents of tc's. Without tc's, fewer people would establish mats and fewer people would have access to pups.
I also appreciate the substantially lower cost of tc's and not having to bug members by pm'ing them and asking for pups.
If you don't want tc's yourself for whatever reason, that's fine. But it makes no sense at all to come into this thread and act like it's a bad thing for A-S to tc new varieties and make them available to those of us who want them. Some of us are willing to take that risk and to put a lot of time, effort, pride, and knowledge into growing and verifying the identity of the plant...and then share pups with people who weren't willing to take that risk. So even if you only want pups, it's still clearly in your best interest for A-S to make desired varieties available so that other members can get their hands on them and propagate them.
On the subject of risk, the risk of introducing unwanted diseases/pests into your garden is vastly lower with tc's than with pups. Getting pups from a lot of different places and putting them in your garden is like going out and having unprotected sex with a bunch of random people. Some of us prefer to minimize that risk by using tc's.
Furthermore, it is certainly not the case that pups are sure things and tc's are always mixed up. Of the 4 pups I've gotten from members of this forum, 2 died right away (rotted without ever growing) and 1 was mislabeled. Worse, on one attempted purchase the member didn't bother to put the plant in the mail for a month after I had paid, then addressed it to himself so it was lost in the mail for another month, then decided to not sell it after all. It was 3 months before I got my money back, and ranks as one of the worst purchase experiences of my life. Of the ~20 tc's I've gotten, 2 have been mislabeled (namwah instead of Ice Cream, DN instead of Double), 3 have died (2 as a result of me digging them up and moving them around), and all were promptly delivered without drama or disease. Not perfect, but somewhat better luck than I had with the pups.
People have varied results either way, pup or tc, but I'd be approximately as confident that a business like Wellspring (supplied by A-S) would correctly ship me a particular plant as I am that an average member would get it right.
One tactic I recommend for getting retail orders correct is to introduce yourself when you order as a member of bananas.org and tell them that you'll be posting a review here with pics when the order arrives. It's not an overt threat, but it let's them know that they're performing for an audience and that a bit of their reputation is riding on the accuracy and quality of the order. That's what I did, and the retailers performed flawlessly (I don't hold the Fake Ice Cream against the retailer).
I see Agri-Starts as a valuable resource that has done and continues to do a ton of good for banana enthusiasts in the mainland US. They're not perfect, but they do a lot more good than bad and most of us have benefited from their work. This is an opportunity to get even more value out of them by helping to correct and expand their offerings.
GreenFin
10-19-2013, 05:02 PM
Here's a list of the Musa varieties that A-S is currently tc'ing (EDIT: see corrected link in sddarkman619's post (http://www.bananas.org/f2/varieties-would-you-most-like-see-19235-2.html#post231967) a few posts down from this one).
Their Ice Cream is actually a type of Namwah--does anyone know if any of their other current offerings have also been proven inaccurate?
On the subject of risk, the risk of introducing unwanted diseases/pests into your garden is vastly lower with tc's than with pups. Getting pups from a lot of different places and putting them in your garden is like going out and having unprotected sex with a bunch of random people. Some of us prefer to minimize that risk by using tc's.
caliboy1994 "Varieties in the Mysore subgroup have BSV DNA encoded into their genome"
Mysore should be removed from the list.
edzone9
10-19-2013, 07:26 PM
Fhia 21 , 3640 ....
sddarkman619
10-19-2013, 08:09 PM
Rather than list their "catalog" page, look here for what they are doing:
http://www.agristarts.com/_ccLib/attachments/pages/avail.pdf
their online catalog hasn't really been updated in quite a while.
I'll be getting a tray of the Veinte Cohol, as I'd like to check out these interesting little guys and it sound like some others would like them as well. If you'd like to get some of the veinte cohols I'll be putting them up for sale as well here, as I do with the other bananas I get from agristarts.
Thanks to those who gave me the heads up on teh Ice Cream bananas they have in this thread here:
http://www.bananas.org/f2/ice-cream-agristarts-19233.html
I'd like to try a Blue Java/Ice Cream despite the bad reviews on flavor.
Nicolas Naranja
10-19-2013, 08:18 PM
How about Hua Moa and Yangambi KM-5? :goteam:
They used to do Hua Moa, All of my plants are descendents of TC plants from agristarts. I talked to them about Hua Moa and the fact that out of the 360 that I planted, about 60 of them were off-types. At the time, they told me they would no longer be doing TC of Hua Moa because it so prone to producing off-types.
Nicolas Naranja
10-19-2013, 08:25 PM
They used to do FHIA-17, I wish they would do it again. I would also like to see a highgate/bluefields. Also, a Valery or Rubusta would be good to have. Most importantly I would like to see FHIA-23 and I believe they had one that was a pisang awak variety FHIA-26 I believe. Finally, I have just finished reading the Stover and Simmonds book and read about a pink fleshed Nam Wah. It would be fantastic.
They used to do Hua Moa, All of my plants are descendents of TC plants from agristarts. I talked to them about Hua Moa and the fact that out of the 360 that I planted, about 60 of them were off-types. At the time, they told me they would no longer be doing TC of Hua Moa because it so prone to producing off-types.Did I miss something? Aren't TCs actually clones? If so, how could off-types be produced?
Nicolas Naranja
10-19-2013, 09:53 PM
Did I miss something? Aren't TCs actually clones? If so, how could off-types be produced?
Somaclonal variation
Did I miss something? Aren't TCs actually clones? If so, how could off-types be produced?
Somaclonal variation
Shoot-tip culture preserves genetic stability much better than callus or cell suspension cultures, yet somaclonal variation appears to be widespread among plants regenerated from banana shoot-tip cultures. Off-type frequencies vary from 1% [16] to 74% [17]. The phenomenon of somaclonal variation in the plantain subgroup (Musa spp. AAB group) was extensively studied [17]. It revealed that the incidence of somaclonal variation is strongly influenced by the genetic stability of each cultivar, and that its frequency is amplified by culture-induced factors. There is no evidence that growth regulators routinely used in tissue culture directly affect the rate of variation, but it has been found that the rate of somaclonal variation is positively related to the generation number. For 'Williams' (AAA) in vitro plants obtained after one and five subculture cycles, dwarfism and leaf-off types counted for 3.7% and 0.7% respectively after one in vitro cycle and increased to 6.1% and 1.9% respectively after five in vitro cycles [18]. It is therefore recommended that the number of subculture cycles should be limited to ten [19] or that the number of plants produced from a primary explant should be limited to no more than 1000 [20].
CELL AND TISSUE CULTURE, AND MUTATION INDUCTION (http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/ae216e/ae216e03.htm)
servatusprime
10-19-2013, 11:03 PM
That's pretty cool. I think some of the taller varieties would be great dwarfed. If there aren't any negative side effects, I would like to do some tc'ing just for the dwarfing. Has there been much discussion about such a practice? I think it would help with people wanting easier to maintain plants either in the ground or in the pot.
Nicolas Naranja
10-20-2013, 12:39 AM
That's pretty cool. I think some of the taller varieties would be great dwarfed. If there aren't any negative side effects, I would like to do some tc'ing just for the dwarfing. Has there been much discussion about such a practice? I think it would help with people wanting easier to maintain plants either in the ground or in the pot.
It can be used for this, but it can take a lot of generations. Unfortunately a lot of the novel mutations like red coloring, dwarfism, and a horn type bunch in plantains are not stable and can revert back to their former forms. The whole reason that I have a french plantain in my collection is because a false-horn plantain reverted back. The research says that the mutations are basically a one way street with no records of green plant going red or a french plantain turning into a false horn. But apparently the superdwarf cavendish is a result of tissue culture.
caliboy1994
10-20-2013, 01:06 AM
caliboy1994 "Varieties in the Mysore subgroup have BSV DNA encoded into their genome"
Mysore should be removed from the list.
Pisang Ceylon (which they already TC) is BSV free and Pisang Klotek is mostly BSV free. Mitchell had one isolated incident with PK. Mysore has MAJOR BSV issues.
crazy banana
10-20-2013, 01:34 AM
Their tc'ing of Gros Michel has made it widely available to the mainland US members here. When they tc SH-3640, it'll be the same way.
A lot of the pups that get traded are descendents of tc's. Without tc's, fewer people would establish mats and fewer people would have access to pups.
I also appreciate the substantially lower cost of tc's and not having to bug members by pm'ing them and asking for pups.
If you don't want tc's yourself for whatever reason, that's fine. But it makes no sense at all to come into this thread and act like it's a bad thing for A-S to tc new varieties and make them available to those of us who want them. Some of us are willing to take that risk and to put a lot of time, effort, pride, and knowledge into growing and verifying the identity of the plant...and then share pups with people who weren't willing to take that risk. So even if you only want pups, it's still clearly in your best interest for A-S to make desired varieties available so that other members can get their hands on them and propagate them.
On the subject of risk, the risk of introducing unwanted diseases/pests into your garden is vastly lower with tc's than with pups. Getting pups from a lot of different places and putting them in your garden is like going out and having unprotected sex with a bunch of random people. Some of us prefer to minimize that risk by using tc's.
Furthermore, it is certainly not the case that pups are sure things and tc's are always mixed up. Of the 4 pups I've gotten from members of this forum, 2 died right away (rotted without ever growing) and 1 was mislabeled. Worse, on one attempted purchase the member didn't bother to put the plant in the mail for a month after I had paid, then addressed it to himself so it was lost in the mail for another month, then decided to not sell it after all. It was 3 months before I got my money back, and ranks as one of the worst purchase experiences of my life. Of the ~20 tc's I've gotten, 1 has been mislabeled (the infamous Fake Ice Cream), 3 have died (2 as a result of me digging them up and moving them around), and all were promptly delivered without drama or disease. Not perfect, but better luck than I had with the pups.
People have varied results either way, pup or tc, but I'd be approximately as confident that a business like Wellspring (supplied by A-S) would correctly ship me a particular plant as I am that an average member would get it right.
One tactic I recommend for getting retail orders correct is to introduce yourself when you order as a member of bananas.org and tell them that you'll be posting a review here with pics when the order arrives. It's not an overt threat, but it let's them know that they're performing for an audience and that a bit of their reputation is riding on the accuracy and quality of the order. That's what I did, and the retailers performed flawlessly (I don't hold the Fake Ice Cream against the retailer).
I see Agri-Starts as a valuable resource that has done and continues to do a ton of good for banana enthusiasts in the mainland US. They're not perfect, but they do a lot more good than bad and most of us have benefited from their work. This is an opportunity to get even more value out of them by helping to correct and expand their offerings.
You have asked a question and you got my honest answer. Did not mean to offend anybody.
I realize that we members in California or Florida are definitely spoiled in having choices to buy quality pups even without having them shipped, compared to Musa growers in other parts of the US who depend on TCs or expensive shipping of pups. However, I think, you have just proofed my point: for me it is all about quality over quantity. Why is it that it has been brought to AS attention many times that their Ice Cream is not the "real" BJ, but no attempt has been made to correct it? What about the Misi Luki Namwah, FHIA 1/Goldfinger TCs from them with some sporting issues ( growing well but not fruiting), what about Musa Hua Moa TCs from them?
Please do not mis-understand my point of view. Sorry to hear that you had some bad experiences with some bananas.org members. Of course there is some luck involved, but also common sense. Being on here a lot and still considering myself a newbie, I would think that I have developed a pretty good sense who has the knowledge and pride for his/her collection and who is only
blowing smoke. I personally always strive to go above and beyond for my clients and customers and expect the same from merchants I buy from. If someone has to mention a board or website in order to get better quality or service, it does not make me more confident to buy from them.
You have mentioned plant diseases and pests. Well, whoever buys the minimum of two trays or 144 plants has to transplant them into larger pots, right? 144 plants will then travel to Big Box stores and further destinations. Plenty of even higher risk of potential diseases and pests then just a backyard grower. We all have to do our homework if we do get new plants: disinfect AND quarantine and common sense.
By no means do I want to bad mouth Agri-Starts and a company like this is most likely a blessing for some commercial Musa growers. For me it has always been and will always be our great bananas.org members.
I also didn't mean to offend by asking about "morphing" in TCs; I was sincerely curious. I'm a real noob with bananas; I have 1 DC (I think) purchased at Lowes. I'm certain she's a TC but she was 1' tall when purchased locally; 6 months later her leaves tower over a privacy fence. I'm very satisfied thus far. As for what varieties they should add to the their inventory, I haven't a clue. I already did the massive collection thing with figs (many unidentified); heaven help me I won't get that nuts again.
Next Level
10-20-2013, 08:13 AM
Their tc'ing of Gros Michel has made it widely available to the mainland US members here. When they tc SH-3640, it'll be the same way.
A lot of the pups that get traded are descendents of tc's. Without tc's, fewer people would establish mats and fewer people would have access to pups.
I also appreciate the substantially lower cost of tc's and not having to bug members by pm'ing them and asking for pups.
If you don't want tc's yourself for whatever reason, that's fine. But it makes no sense at all to come into this thread and act like it's a bad thing for A-S to tc new varieties and make them available to those of us who want them. Some of us are willing to take that risk and to put a lot of time, effort, pride, and knowledge into growing and verifying the identity of the plant...and then share pups with people who weren't willing to take that risk. So even if you only want pups, it's still clearly in your best interest for A-S to make desired varieties available so that other members can get their hands on them and propagate them.
On the subject of risk, the risk of introducing unwanted diseases/pests into your garden is vastly lower with tc's than with pups. Getting pups from a lot of different places and putting them in your garden is like going out and having unprotected sex with a bunch of random people. Some of us prefer to minimize that risk by using tc's.
Furthermore, it is certainly not the case that pups are sure things and tc's are always mixed up. Of the 4 pups I've gotten from members of this forum, 2 died right away (rotted without ever growing) and 1 was mislabeled. Worse, on one attempted purchase the member didn't bother to put the plant in the mail for a month after I had paid, then addressed it to himself so it was lost in the mail for another month, then decided to not sell it after all. It was 3 months before I got my money back, and ranks as one of the worst purchase experiences of my life. Of the ~20 tc's I've gotten, 1 has been mislabeled (the infamous Fake Ice Cream), 3 have died (2 as a result of me digging them up and moving them around), and all were promptly delivered without drama or disease. Not perfect, but better luck than I had with the pups.
People have varied results either way, pup or tc, but I'd be approximately as confident that a business like Wellspring (supplied by A-S) would correctly ship me a particular plant as I am that an average member would get it right.
One tactic I recommend for getting retail orders correct is to introduce yourself when you order as a member of bananas.org and tell them that you'll be posting a review here with pics when the order arrives. It's not an overt threat, but it let's them know that they're performing for an audience and that a bit of their reputation is riding on the accuracy and quality of the order. That's what I did, and the retailers performed flawlessly (I don't hold the Fake Ice Cream against the retailer).
I see Agri-Starts as a valuable resource that has done and continues to do a ton of good for banana enthusiasts in the mainland US. They're not perfect, but they do a lot more good than bad and most of us have benefited from their work. This is an opportunity to get even more value out of them by helping to correct and expand their offerings.
I am not against TCs. I own plenty of them. I am not even against them adding more varieties. But what I have a problem with is selling things as a certain cultivar and it not be what they label it as. What they should do before adding more is get what they have right. That's not hard to do.
Also a lot of there TCs show Somaclonal variation. We have learned, over the years, to reduce the frequency of "off-types" to a manageable level. A-S has not figured this out. Long duration in tissue culture and from high number of cycles in the multiplication phase of the meristem culture is a sure way to create variation. At the same time all there somaconal variation is not bad. And could create the next great cultivar. Some variations I have observed with my limited experience.
Double Mahoi = dwarfism
Dwarf Cavendish = dwarfism
Goldfinger = off-type
Gran Nain = dwarfism
Manzano = off-type
MonaLisa = off-type
Veinte Cohol = off-type
Williams = dwarfism
TC are only less risky if you order from AS directly. Once they leave it is probably safer to get them from a member. I live in an area with no banana diseases. I have to be cautious before introducing pathogens into my greenhouses either way.
blownz281
10-20-2013, 08:43 AM
What part of NC do you live in?
Next Level
10-20-2013, 09:04 AM
Outside Charlotte. Was in Top Sail last weekend fishing. Used to live in Wilmington during college. I love that area.
blownz281
10-20-2013, 09:09 AM
Cool man,yeah topsail is also a nice area. OBX is great for surfing and fishing love it there to and would move there if jobs,weather,storms weren't a issue haha.
jbyrd88888
10-20-2013, 09:24 AM
Wootwoot Topsail Island my beach. . . Only went once this year :( I love the tidal pools
GreenFin
10-20-2013, 03:01 PM
I should have phrased the original question as "What varieties would you most like to see more widely available/easily attainable?" and left reference to tc'ing and Agri-Starts out of the discussion.
If you're a pup-only person, no problem, just go with this pup-centric version: "What varieties of pups would you like to see more widely available/easily attainable?"
Next Level
10-20-2013, 03:19 PM
I should have phrased the original question as "What varieties would you most like to see more widely available/easily attainable?" and left reference to tc'ing and Agri-Starts out of the discussion.
If you're a pup-only person, no problem, just go with this pup-centric version: "What varieties of pups would you like to see more widely available/easily attainable?"
Yeah it doesn't work like that. We know its A-S. We want them to fix there current lineup before going after new cultivars. We are not asking for much. They are making a good deal of money off these plants. I deserve to get what I pay for.
I TC my own plants. So I am not against them.
sunfish
10-20-2013, 04:31 PM
Yeah it doesn't work like that. We know its A-S. We want them to fix there current lineup before going after new cultivars. We are not asking for much. They are making a good deal of money off these plants. I deserve to get what I pay for.
I TC my own plants. So I am not against them.
Why don't you TC Ice Cream and start selling them ?
sddarkman619
10-20-2013, 05:40 PM
Yeah it doesn't work like that. We know its A-S. We want them to fix there current lineup before going after new cultivars. We are not asking for much. They are making a good deal of money off these plants. I deserve to get what I pay for.
I TC my own plants. So I am not against them.
I've tried TCing my own but have run into some contamination issues. I've grown mushrooms many times and had no contam issues but with the bananas I do. care to PM and help me out? got any photos?
sunfish
10-20-2013, 06:15 PM
I've tried TCing my own but have run into some contamination issues. I've grown mushrooms many times and had no contam issues but with the bananas I do. care to PM and help me out? got any photos?
I have mushrooms growing in my lawn :08:
sunfish
10-20-2013, 06:18 PM
Pisang Ceylon (which they already TC) is BSV free and Pisang Klotek is mostly BSV free. Mitchell had one isolated incident with PK. Mysore has MAJOR BSV issues.
Mostly BSV free ? Is that like 95% certain :ha::ha:
servatusprime
10-20-2013, 06:35 PM
We'll another way we can look at this topic is examining the available resources. Will AS procure a new variety by their own means or would someone have to offer it to them? Answering this question may limit our choices and narrow the selection process.
dana mastro
10-20-2013, 06:55 PM
you know for the people in seattle area and my self in idaho and all of northern region would love a....... hybredized veinte cohol........ (WHAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT IS EDIBLE BANANAS BEFORE THE FROST) if u can give us that then you will be sold out! i would buy at least 10 if not more :)
Abnshrek
10-20-2013, 07:01 PM
you know for the people in seattle area and my self in idaho and all of northern region would love a....... hybredized veinte cohol........ (WHAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT IS EDIBLE BANANAS BEFORE THE FROST) if u can give us that then you will be sold out! i would buy at least 10 if not more :)
If you put 10 Caligolds in a greenhouse up there you'd get alot more than bite sized morsels for every banana.. It would save on the heater bill too.. :^)
sunfish
10-20-2013, 08:03 PM
Aren't they going to have banana farms in Georgia w/veinte cohol.."
PR-Giants
10-20-2013, 08:27 PM
Agree especially about SH-3640
Rob what do you find desirable about the SH-3640.
I thought FHIA considered it more a failure than a success.
Richard
10-20-2013, 09:23 PM
We'll another way we can look at this topic is examining the available resources. Will AS procure a new variety by their own means or would someone have to offer it to them? Answering this question may limit our choices and narrow the selection process.
If you want a new variety, you'll have to supply the plant. Also, they have a minimum production requirement, so you'll have to meet that as well.
For my climate, Namwah (sold as Misi Luki) has been the best tasting and the most productive.
Nicolas Naranja
10-20-2013, 10:32 PM
Rob what do you find desirable about the SH-3640.
I thought FHIA considered it more a failure than a success.
Isn't SH-3640 susceptible to black sigatoka?
robguz24
10-20-2013, 10:41 PM
Rob what do you find desirable about the SH-3640.
I thought FHIA considered it more a failure than a success.
Just one of the better tasting ones I've had. Of course the few I had were labeled "likely" SH-3640 at a banana festival.
sunfish
10-20-2013, 11:03 PM
SH-3640 | Promusa - Mobilizing banana science for sustainable livelihoods (http://www.promusa.org/tiki-index.php?page=SH-3640)
caliboy1994
10-21-2013, 01:06 AM
Why don't you TC Ice Cream and start selling them ?
I'm considering that course of action, Tony. :08:
sunfish
10-21-2013, 09:37 AM
I'm considering that course of action, Tony. :08:
That would be great. Don't forget your nursery license
sddarkman619
10-21-2013, 11:09 AM
where does one get a real Ice Cream/Blue Java Banana plant?
sddarkman619
10-21-2013, 03:01 PM
Just got off the phone with Agristarts. The Blue Java/Ice Cream they have they say they got from Going Bananas n Florida. They go by what the person tells them it is. He also said they could get it genetically tested but it's expensive and a hassle, they did this with some blueberries once.
I told him and they have heard people saying the blue java they sell isn't a real blue java. I said well if I get you a real blue java would you guys fix that? He said a good possibility and gave me the contact to discuss with. So I will be talking to him later today.
I also just ordered some Veinte Cohols, which yes I will be selling.
caliboy1994
10-21-2013, 03:02 PM
where does one get a real Ice Cream/Blue Java Banana plant?
Jon (pitangadiego) has them. That's where I got mine.
jbyrd88888
10-21-2013, 03:03 PM
Everyone told me Encanto farms but I remember it being price too high for me. . . You in Cali, just walk a couple blocks? Not that easy?
crazy banana
10-21-2013, 03:55 PM
where does one get a real Ice Cream/Blue Java Banana plant?
I have it:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=54986&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=54986&ppuser=13376)
three bunches hanging right now....
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53900&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53900&ppuser=13376)
caliboy1994
10-22-2013, 12:54 PM
Mostly BSV free ? Is that like 95% certain :ha::ha:
Mitchell told me that one of the pups on one of his PKs was showing BSV symptoms once and was growing strangely. He got rid of it and hasn't had a problem since.
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