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Snookie
08-03-2013, 11:18 AM
Hey Folks

I found this morning that two other unknown (Lizard Creek Variety) banana plants are flowering.

That makes three on the nest lol

I like DAT me. My goal is to one day know what I have planted, however I kinda like the mystery of not knowing:}

I know the first picture is of my oldest plant given to me by a Hippie from a local Baton Roach, Louisiana Nursery he said a plantain but who knows lol

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53936&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53936&ppuser=13202)

The next two pics from a pup of something I had growing last year so....

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53935&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53935&ppuser=13202)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53934&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53934&ppuser=13202)

crazy banana
08-03-2013, 11:21 AM
Life must be good at Lizard Creek for banana plants. Good job and congrats on the blooms.

Snookie
08-03-2013, 11:39 AM
Life must be good at Lizard Creek for banana plants. Good job and congrats on the blooms.

Thanks for the encouraging words...

Awe Meh yah,

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/86656_ITS-all-good.png (http://www.pictureshack.us/)

In the neighborhood, here in Lizard Creek:nanadrink:

shannondicorse
08-03-2013, 05:40 PM
Snookie,

How long have you been in the banana hobby?

And how many vars do you think you have in cultivation? I'm green with envy that people from extratropical regions can have such an incredible diversity of bananas!

My goodness, there're probably more banana varieties in Iceland than here on Trinidad!


shannon


shannon.di.corse@gmail.com

Snookie
08-03-2013, 07:43 PM
Snookie,

How long have you been in the banana hobby?

And how many vars do you think you have in cultivation? I'm green with envy that people from extratropical regions can have such an incredible diversity of bananas!

My goodness, there're probably more banana varieties in Iceland than here on Trinidad!


shannon


shannon.di.corse@gmail.com


Hummmm Planted my first banana plant about a year and a half ago

How many different variations heck that's hard to say I don't even know what I have however; I do now there are approx. 8 different looking ones as you see three have flower so far this year, I'm hoping the kind folks once they see the fruit will be able to tell me exactly what I have.

I bought a couple which were marked Ice Cream however I think I got more popcorn and cotton candy varieties than anything else lol

I just call them the Lizard Creek Multi Mom & Pop Variety...Musa Mystery Variety: :ha:

Peace B with U

shannondicorse
08-04-2013, 05:50 AM
Snookie,

The pictures of the emerging inflorescence and the leaf bases at the top of this thread look like some ABB/"BBB" types. To me, they don't look too much like "True Plantains". I have several accessions of such bananas. I am currently recollecting the banana cultivars and wild species here on Trinidad.

EXPANSION: The ABB/"BBB" types bearing stout angular "cooking" bananas are all called "Moko" bananas on Trinidad. The actual name "Moko" is a long story in itself.

You often have to grow plants through several flowering/fruiting cycles to distinguish small differences between closely related clones.

You see, bananas of all kinds produce random "somaclonal" variants under culture. The characteristics of these variants often persist indefinitely in a lineage. So the longer a banana clone is under cultivation in an area; the greater the propensity for a large pool of variants of a single introduction to occur and accumulate.

Peasant banana planters are keen horticulturalists. They recognise such variants or "sports" and conserve them - even when the variation is of no agronomic significance. Farmer/gardeners (like all mammals...) apparently are attracted to diversity and novelty.

So once a lot of people are growing bananas for multiple decades, there is an increase in variety even without new introductions.

So, the problem of naming and classifying cultivars is often a very very difficult one. It's best ( I think...) to fit them into a "group" - which ideally, would represent all the descendants of a single fertilisation event; and thus a single ancestral embryo.

True plantains, Silk bananas, Mysore bananas, Sucrier bananas, Cavendish bananas & Gros Michel bananas are just a few examples of such "groups". There are many others.

Keep the banana action going up there at Lizard Creek!


shannon


shannon.di.corse@gmail.com

amantedelenguaje
08-04-2013, 07:54 AM
Hummmm Planted my first banana plant about a year and a half ago

How many different variations heck that's hard to say I don't even know what I have however; I do now there are approx. 8 different looking ones as you see three have flower so far this year, I'm hoping the kind folks once they see the fruit will be able to tell me exactly what I have.

I bought a couple which were marked Ice Cream however I think I got more popcorn and cotton candy varieties than anything else lol

I just call them the Lizard Creek Multi Mom & Pop Variety...Musa Mystery Variety: :ha:

Peace B with U
I'll take one of those cotton candy banana pups. Sounds delicious!

Snookie
08-04-2013, 10:37 AM
Snookie,

The pictures of the emerging inflorescence and the leaf bases at the top of this thread look like some ABB/"BBB" types. To me, they don't look too much like "True Plantains". I have several accessions of such bananas. I am currently recollecting the banana cultivars and wild species here on Trinidad.

Keep the banana action going up there at Lizard Creek!


shannon


shannon.di.corse@gmail.com

Cool thanks for the info Shannon

As I mentioned It was my first banana plant that I acquired from a Hippie who I suppose knew more about growing "POT" than bananas lol

But hey everyone needs a hobby right?

Peace B with U

Let me know what you decide:}

Snookie
08-04-2013, 10:42 AM
I'll take one of those cotton candy banana pups. Sounds delicious!

Sure will....

Soon as my a$$ociate comes back from the Cotton Candy banana patch OK?

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/68822_death_by_cotton_candy.jpg

Snookie
08-04-2013, 09:48 PM
Snookie,

The pictures of the emerging inflorescence and the leaf bases at the top of this thread look like some ABB/"BBB" types. To me, they don't look too much like "True Plantains". I have several accessions of such bananas. I am currently recollecting the banana cultivars and wild species here on Trinidad.

Keep the banana action going up there at Lizard Creek!


shannon


shannon.di.corse@gmail.com


Cool

Does this picture give you more info to make a call on which variety it is?
Seems to be a lot longer flower then on what I'm told is my ORINCO: that flowered a few weeks ago and already with nannas


http://www.pictureshack.us/images/7154_005.JPG

shannondicorse
08-05-2013, 05:13 AM
Cool

Does this picture give you more info to make a call on which variety it is?
Seems to be a lot longer flower then on what I'm told is my ORINCO: that flowered a few weeks ago and already with nannas

Snookie,

In bananas and Heliconias the leaves immediately basal to the flowers display a change in structure from typical leaf to typical bract.

The actual progression varies from pseudostem to pseudostem on the same mat.

Sometimes you can see two "flag" (shortened, stiffer more vertical) leaves. Sometimes the single flag is quite long and more typical of a regular leaf.

Likewise, the investing bracts at the base of the inflorescence proper can vary in proportions and colour from pseudostem to pseudostem within a mat.

That being said... the ABB/"BBB" plant referred to as "Orinoco" seems to be what some also call a "Chato". I can tell you from experience that there are many distinct varieties within this group.

Whether these all arose from a single fertilisation event, constituting a "true group" to my way of thinking, is anyone's guess for the moment. ABB/"BBB" bananas seem to have arisen very many times - and are possibly arising in the Far East as we speak.

To make matters worse (..or better!!), you folks in Continental USA probably have had many undocumented 20th Century introductions from all over the globe. So it would be sometimes futile to attempt to pin a name on some of the ABB/"BBB" types that you might have.

Bananas are like that, I'm afraid.

Please post the pics of the fruit as they emerge, fill out and ripen.




shannon

shannon.di.corse@gmail.com

Snookie
08-05-2013, 04:43 PM
Snookie,

Please post the pics of the fruit as they emerge, fill out and ripen.




shannon

shannon.di.corse@gmail.com

4-10 WILL DO:drum:

G.W.
08-07-2013, 09:06 AM
Sure will....

Soon as my a$$ociate comes back from the Cotton Candy banana patch OK?

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/68822_death_by_cotton_candy.jpg

I can't comment on your bananas, but was hip to shoulder ratio is a topic close to mu heart.
Good to see your associate getting some cardio, a change in diet is next perhaps?

trebor
08-07-2013, 09:35 AM
Its all lookin pretty good Snookie.. Pretty soon you will be slicing into one of them nanners and grinning like a Cheshire cat

Snookie
08-07-2013, 08:43 PM
Its all lookin pretty good Snookie.. Pretty soon you will be slicing into one of them nanners and grinning like a Cheshire cat

Thank U Sir

Awe Meh Yah
Check out Unknown # 6az-211's flower:}

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/24199_005.JPG

Snookie
08-11-2013, 05:17 PM
Ok here's an update from the pics in post 1, 10, and 15

Here's what some of the nana's look like:}

Can you now tell me what it B?

Thanks in advance for your help!

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/29594_034.JPG

http://www.pictureshack.us/images/61366_035.JPG

Dalmatiansoap
08-11-2013, 05:42 PM
Nam WaH!
:nanadrink:

shannondicorse
08-11-2013, 05:50 PM
Nam WaH!

Dalmatiansoap might be right! The tepal colour speaks of some ABB. But there are so many! Patience... the fruit will develop... summer's still young.

shannon

shannon.di.corse@gmail.com

Snookie
08-11-2013, 08:05 PM
Nam WaH!
:nanadrink:

Cool is that a good banana?

trebor
08-11-2013, 09:52 PM
Cool is that a good banana?

Yes Thats a good one :08:

Snookie
08-12-2013, 06:15 PM
http://www.pictureshack.us/images/98263_Awesome_mc_HT_Smiley_16ffaf3dacb83b3cdcfca7e17df0f735-335c36d3c82a23dfd77e98db962620cf.gif