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edzone9
02-13-2013, 07:56 PM
Hello Gang;

I have been working all week in the Miami Area , Today i stopped by PINE Island Tropical Tree Nursery .

Alex The Owner & his Staff are really Cool People ! .
I Picked up :

3 Gal Guanabana Tree
3 Gal Glen Mango Tree
3 Galon Brogdon Avacado Tree
and a New Patended mango Tree variety Called The Coconut Cream Mango , Its some kind of wierd hydrid that taste like coconut / Mango :nanadrink:
All trees are really healthy & tall , there in the back of my Truck , Will Head home Tomorrow & see how these trees do in NE Florida , Will Post Pics Once I plant thses babys !:08:

PR-Giants
02-13-2013, 08:40 PM
Orig. in Winter Haven, FL, by Tom W. Brogdon. Introd. in 1951. Parentage unknown; discovered in late 1930s; tested by Univ. of Florida, Sub-Tropical Expt. Stal, as PI 4761; Mexican race. Fruit: 7 to 20 oz; somewhat pear shaped; skin purple, very thin; susceptible to handling injury; flesh yellow, buttery; ripens late July to Aug. Tree: small to medium; vigor moderate; productivity low; very hardy; susceptible to anthracnose; recommended for central Florida. (B&O Register) Flowering group B (Lahav & Gazit)

Abnshrek
02-13-2013, 10:15 PM
Orig. in Winter Haven, FL, by Tom W. Brogdon. Introd. in 1951. Parentage unknown; discovered in late 1930s; tested by Univ. of Florida, Sub-Tropical Expt. Stal, as PI 4761; Mexican race. Fruit: 7 to 20 oz; somewhat pear shaped; skin purple, very thin; susceptible to handling injury; flesh yellow, buttery; ripens late July to Aug. Tree: small to medium; vigor moderate; productivity low; very hardy; susceptible to anthracnose; recommended for central Florida. (B&O Register) Flowering group B (Lahav & Gazit)

But do they taste good, that's the real Q? :^)

PR-Giants
02-14-2013, 12:16 AM
But do they taste good, that's the real Q? :^)

They probably taste good if you like Mexican Avocados.

So the real Q should be, do you like Mexican Avocados ? :^)

Most people in the Caribbean prefer West Indian Avocados.

Most Californians prefer Guatemalan Avocados.

Most growers don't prefer a tree of moderate vigor with low productivity.

If I was living in NE Florida, I would look for local trees growing well and offer to buy some fruit.

If the fruit quality and productivity was what I wanted, I would then buy some cuttings.

Abnshrek
02-14-2013, 09:53 AM
Most growers don't prefer a tree of moderate vigor with low productivity.
If I was living in NE Florida, I would look for local trees growing well and offer to buy some fruit.
If the fruit quality and productivity was what I wanted, I would then buy some cuttings.

Now that sounds like a way to do some local shopping.. :^)

robguz24
02-14-2013, 02:40 PM
The fruit I've gotten from my Glen mango is the best mango I've ever had. Complex, peachy flavors, nearly fiberless.

Dalmatiansoap
02-14-2013, 03:57 PM
But do they taste good, that's the real Q? :^)

No way! In my case the real Q whoud be: If UR in Miami area why would U ever go back home?:ha::ha::ha:
:nanadrink:

just envy non mango grower ;)

edzone9
02-14-2013, 06:06 PM
Just got home , Planted the :
Glen Mango
Coconut Cream Mango
Brodgon Avacado
And The Guanabana Tree i Left In A Pot , Untill Late Next Month .
We are expecting 1 More Frost In The NE Florida area .

I am done Planting For Now , No More Room For anything !
I wish i had just a lil more property :nanadrink:.

I will post some pix tomorrow:goteam:.

oakshadows
02-14-2013, 06:43 PM
No way! In my case the real Q whoud be: If UR in Miami area why would U ever go back home?:ha::ha::ha:
:nanadrink:

just envy non mango grower ;)

It's crowded, a lot of culprits wanting your money, heavy traffic and not many friendly people. A little outside of there it is beautiful and very florific. South Florida is beautiful if you can afford it and some areas are quite expensive. The weather is the big attraction and well worth it. As with many large cities the problems some times are too large for most.

oakshadows
02-14-2013, 07:48 PM
Ed, how old is the tree. I might be interested in one as I found they can produce in the 3 to 4 year old plant. Thanks and good growing.

edzone9
02-14-2013, 08:42 PM
Ed, how old is the tree. I might be interested in one as I found they can produce in the 3 to 4 year old plant. Thanks and good growing.

How Old is which Tree ?

The Brogdon Avacado Is About 5 Ft Tall & is Already Fruiting ;)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=52212&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=52212&ppuser=14807)

edzone9
02-14-2013, 09:24 PM
It's crowded, a lot of culprits wanting your money, heavy traffic and not many friendly people. A little outside of there it is beautiful and very florific. South Florida is beautiful if you can afford it and some areas are quite expensive. The weather is the big attraction and well worth it. As with many large cities the problems some times are too large for most.

I dont like the Miami Traffic , Reminds Me Of NYC , The People Where cool To Me .

I Like The Food Down There , I Really Like The Tree Farms They Have Down There . I would Not Like To Live There , We Love It In St Augustine.

bananimal
02-15-2013, 08:18 AM
Just got home , Planted the :
Glen Mango
Coconut Cream Mango
Brodgon Avacado
And The Guanabana Tree i Left In A Pot , Untill Late Next Month .
We are expecting 1 More Frost In The NE Florida area .

I am done Planting For Now , No More Room For anything !
I wish i had just a lil more property :nanadrink:.

I will post some pix tomorrow:goteam:.

Wait till you try the Pickering, Maha Chanok and Nam Doc Mai mangos. You will make room. :ha: Look for the fruit if you are back down in Dade in a few months.

If you like Hass you can take the Brogdons taste. I can't eat the greasy Hass types cause my teeth stick together. I picked the Lula for its cold resistance and it has a better balance of the greasy Mexican Cado taste and the West Indian.

The Soursop will have to be containerized cause of your location. Move it into the garage when it gets in the 30's. You get freezes right?

PR-Giants
02-15-2013, 09:48 AM
Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden (http://www.fairchildgarden.org/Events/?date=07-2012&eventID=599)

Wait till you try the Pickering, Maha Chanok and Nam Doc Mai mangos.

Dan, do you have these trees?

If you like Hass you can take the Brogdons taste. I can't eat the greasy Hass types cause my teeth stick together. I picked the Lula for its cold resistance and it has a better balance of the greasy Mexican Cado taste and the West Indian.


Lula

(Guat.x Mex.) FL Origin.from seed from parent Taft tree planted 1915 by Mrs. Lulu (Geo.B.) Cellon at Miami, FL,fruited 1919, propagated 1921. A rapid, thrifty grower in FL, precocious & productive; more frost resistant than most, very satisfactory in the Ridge section lower east coast sections, & recommended for southern FL. Fruit season, Dec.-Jan. Color, green. Weight,16-24 ozs. Shape, pyriform. Skin, nearly smooth. Flavor, good. Oil,12-16%. Seed, lg. Illus.& desc. FL Agri. Exper. Sta. Bul.272. (CAS Yearbook 1950) Orig. in Miami, FL, by George B. Cellon, nurseryman. Introd. in 1921. Open-pollinated seedling of Taft; selected in 1919. Fruit:pyriform; skin almost smooth, dark, glossy green; quality good; lg. seed, tight in cavity; fair market appeal; very susceptible to avocado scab. Tree: vigorous & upright, prolific & regular bearer; class "A" blossom type. (B&O Register) (Lulu) Origin, FL; Race, GxM; Flower group, A (Lahav & Gazit) (seed of Taft planted in Miami in 1915);pear-shaped, sometimes with neck; med.-lg; skin almost smooth;flesh pale-to greenish-yellow,12-16% oil; seed lg.,tight. Season: med.-late (mid-Nov.& Dec.).Tree tall, bears early & heavily; cold-resistant, successful in central & southern FL where it was formerly the leading commercial cultivar. It is the principal cultivar in Martinique for exporting to France; represents 95% of the crop. (J.Morton 1987)

Russell

(W.I.)FL Originated Islamorado,FL from seed of fruit brought from Cuba by John Russel & planted near his home about1880. Top-worked by Harvey Fitzpatrick, Homestead, FL in 1935, shortly before parent tree was destroyed by a hurricane. Fruit: season, Aug.-Sept.; color, green; weight, 24-36 ozs.; shape, clavate; skin, smooth, leathery. Seed, med. Sometimes solid neck of flesh 5-6" long.(CAS Yearbook 1950) Orig. in Islamorado, FL by John Russell. Introd. in 1935. Seedling of West Ind. type from seed of fruit brought from Cuba about 1880. Fruit: large, 24-36 oz; often 12"long; clavate; skin green, smooth, leathery; flesh yellow; seed size med.; cavity low in the broad end of fruit, often a solid neck of flesh 5-6"long;season Aug.&Sept.Tree: vigorous; moderately productive. Flower group A. Not propagated commercially.(B&O Register) Origin, CA; Race, WI; Flower, A (Lahav & Gazit) (originated in Islamorada in FL Keys); pear-shaped at apex with long neck giving it a total length up to 13"(32.5cm); skin, smooth, glossy, thin, leathery; flesh of excellent quality; seed small. Season: Aug.&Sept.Tree bears well & is recommended for home gardens. (J Morton)

edzone9
02-15-2013, 10:54 AM
Im Not a big fan of the Mexican Type Avacados , But the Brogdon is a very cold hardy tree for my zone 9 .

I prefer the West Indian type as PR Giant Stated .

I have The Following Avacado Tpes:

Catalina ( Cuba ) .
Bragdon
Oro Negro ( Very Cold Hardy With Excellent Taste )
I also have a Unknown 7ft Tall Avacado tree i planted from a seed , Has to be WI type , the fruit was bought in a Bodega In NYC it was the size of a Small football Great flavor .

If i get another avacado i will maybe get the Monroe.

Yes we get Get Cold snaps & frost in NE Florida , This sat & Sun will go down to the upper 30s.

The Guanabanas are in pots in the garage , i am goung to build a green house for them , to keep them in the ground all season long.

bananimal
02-15-2013, 12:40 PM
Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden (http://www.fairchildgarden.org/Events/?date=07-2012&eventID=599)



Dan, do you have these trees?



Lula

(Guat.x Mex.) FL Origin.from seed from parent Taft tree planted 1915 by Mrs. Lulu (Geo.B.) Cellon at Miami, FL,fruited 1919, propagated 1921. A rapid, thrifty grower in FL, precocious & productive; more frost resistant than most, very satisfactory in the Ridge section lower east coast sections, & recommended for southern FL. Fruit season, Dec.-Jan. Color, green. Weight,16-24 ozs. Shape, pyriform. Skin, nearly smooth. Flavor, good. Oil,12-16%. Seed, lg. Illus.& desc. FL Agri. Exper. Sta. Bul.272. (CAS Yearbook 1950) Orig. in Miami, FL, by George B. Cellon, nurseryman. Introd. in 1921. Open-pollinated seedling of Taft; selected in 1919. Fruit:pyriform; skin almost smooth, dark, glossy green; quality good; lg. seed, tight in cavity; fair market appeal; very susceptible to avocado scab. Tree: vigorous & upright, prolific & regular bearer; class "A" blossom type. (B&O Register) (Lulu) Origin, FL; Race, GxM; Flower group, A (Lahav & Gazit) (seed of Taft planted in Miami in 1915);pear-shaped, sometimes with neck; med.-lg; skin almost smooth;flesh pale-to greenish-yellow,12-16% oil; seed lg.,tight. Season: med.-late (mid-Nov.& Dec.).Tree tall, bears early & heavily; cold-resistant, successful in central & southern FL where it was formerly the leading commercial cultivar. It is the principal cultivar in Martinique for exporting to France; represents 95% of the crop. (J.Morton 1987)

Russell

(W.I.)FL Originated Islamorado,FL from seed of fruit brought from Cuba by John Russel & planted near his home about1880. Top-worked by Harvey Fitzpatrick, Homestead, FL in 1935, shortly before parent tree was destroyed by a hurricane. Fruit: season, Aug.-Sept.; color, green; weight, 24-36 ozs.; shape, clavate; skin, smooth, leathery. Seed, med. Sometimes solid neck of flesh 5-6" long.(CAS Yearbook 1950) Orig. in Islamorado, FL by John Russell. Introd. in 1935. Seedling of West Ind. type from seed of fruit brought from Cuba about 1880. Fruit: large, 24-36 oz; often 12"long; clavate; skin green, smooth, leathery; flesh yellow; seed size med.; cavity low in the broad end of fruit, often a solid neck of flesh 5-6"long;season Aug.&Sept.Tree: vigorous; moderately productive. Flower group A. Not propagated commercially.(B&O Register) Origin, CA; Race, WI; Flower, A (Lahav & Gazit) (originated in Islamorada in FL Keys); pear-shaped at apex with long neck giving it a total length up to 13"(32.5cm); skin, smooth, glossy, thin, leathery; flesh of excellent quality; seed small. Season: Aug.&Sept.Tree bears well & is recommended for home gardens. (J Morton)

Just the Lula.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=52219&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=52219&ppuser=820)

The new mango just planted this week --- Cogshall.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=52218&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=52218)

momoese
02-15-2013, 01:10 PM
That a nice big starter tree Dan! What do you pay for a tree that big?

edzone9
02-15-2013, 02:49 PM
Wow great looking Tree ! Huge ! Mine are in the 3-5ft Range there only $30 EACH .

That size is $89-$200 Range , But Its Ready To Go ! You will have fruit soon !:nanadrink:

PR-Giants
02-15-2013, 03:25 PM
Here most grafted fruit trees retail in the $7 - $ 12 range.

Large banana pups are in the $0.50 - $0.75 range.

bananimal
02-15-2013, 04:04 PM
That a nice big starter tree Dan! What do you pay for a tree that big?

Twenty gal pot 4 or 5 yrs old = $200.00 Sprouting flowers now and there will be fruit in a few months. I'll post the Pickering, Nam Doc Mai and Glenn pics later.

Keith --- are older mango and cado trees avail in PR in the 30 to 50 gal pot sizes? And please don't say they are $25 bucks each! :ha:

edzone9
02-16-2013, 09:25 PM
Every single tree i have in my yard is covered !
This Time The Cold Mizer wont Freeze My Trees Man !:nanadrink:

2 Days Of 29-32f Here in NE Florida ..

bananimal
02-17-2013, 02:02 AM
Tonight I brought in some of the young and tender seedlings like basil, chokes, the little Grimal Jabbo and a little potted Ae Ae.

All else is uncovered. NWS says lows for the 2 nites are 37 and 39. The wind is a problem for tonite only.

We'll see - fingers crossed. Five days from now it will be back in the 80's. :woohoonaner:

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6PM update.--- made it up to 69 today for a short time. Humidity 14% --- never saw it that low before. A few potted artichokes left outside started to damp off. No other damage noticed.
Low tonight predicted is 36 - ouch! Tomorrows low 56.

edzone9
02-18-2013, 01:09 PM
Here NE Florida got cold last night for the Plants , all covered Bananas Wilted , I had to Cut Them down again in the season , not good .

My Coconut Mango Tree sufered some burnt leaves but doing well.
My Oro Negro Avacado Really Took a hit , I had to cut off some branches & part of the Trunk .

All other fruit trees did very well for 2 nights of Freezing weather .
No More Banana Trees For my zone , i will work with the ones that i have , if they dont make it , i wont be replacing them .

Ill stick to the cold hardy Mangos & Avacados & some citrus.

Did you guys loose anything ?

PR-Giants
02-24-2013, 12:35 PM
Ill stick to the cold hardy Mangos & Avacados & some citrus.



If you like sweet juicy fruit, try planting a Loquat tree.

It is one of my favorite fruits and should grow perfect in your area.

The tree is beautiful and handles temps down to 12º F.

Loquat (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/loquat.html#Climate)

Loquat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat)

edzone9
02-24-2013, 01:53 PM
Thanks PR giant I will research that tree.
This last frost killed all my fruit trees .

bananimal
02-24-2013, 08:08 PM
If you like sweet juicy fruit, try planting a Loquat tree.

It is one of my favorite fruits and should grow perfect in your area.

The tree is beautiful and handles temps down to 12º F.

Loquat (http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/loquat.html#Climate)

Loquat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loquat)

I had some loquatz this week at the tasting table of my rare fruit club. Liked them a lot. May get one. Still waiting for the 2 Pitombas to fruit. Same for the Grimal M. spirito santensis and the red Jaboticaba. Yes, there are other good trop fruits besides the naners! :03:

Saved the Loquat seeds. Do they grow true from seeds?

edzone9
02-25-2013, 05:47 PM
Saved the Loquat seeds. Do they grow true from seeds?[/QUOTE]

Propagation

Generally, seeds are used for propagation only when the tree is grown for ornamental purposes or for use as rootstock. Loquat seedlings are preferred over apple, pear, quince or pyracantha rootstocks under most conditions. Quince and pyracantha may cause extreme dwarfing-to less than 8 ft (2.5 in). Quince rootstock tolerates heavier and wetter soils than loquat but is apt to put out numerous suckers. Loquat seeds remain viable for 6 months if stored in partly sealed glass jars under high humidity at room temperature, but the best temperature for storage is 40º F (5º C). They are washed and planted in flats or pots soon after removal from the fruit and the seedlings are transplanted when 6 to 7 in (15-17.5 cm) high to nursery rows. When the stem is 1/2 in (1.25 cm) thick at the base, the seedlings are ready to be top-worked. In India, inarching is commonly practiced but budding and grafting are more popular in most other areas. Shield-budding, using 3-month-old scions, is successful. Cleft-grafting has been a common practice in Florida. Veneer-grafting in April has proved to be a superior method in Pakistan. Cuttings are not easy to root. Air-layering may be only 20% successful, though 80 to 100% of the layers root in 6 weeks if treated with 3% NAA (2-naphthoxyacetic acid).

Trees that are vegetatively propagated will begin to bear fruit in 5 years or less, as compared to 8 to 10 years in seedling trees. Old seedling trees can be converted by cutting back severely and inserting budwood of a preferred