View Full Version : Pisang Klotek bunch - ready or not?
bananimal
12-30-2012, 04:28 PM
This the first harvestable bunch of PK I have grown in 4 years.
All previous bunches were did in by cold weather.
To all of you that have grown the PK --- is this bunch fully filled in or not?
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=51773&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=51773&ppuser=820)
parillo12
12-30-2012, 05:26 PM
Big bunch,
momoese
12-30-2012, 08:51 PM
It's close enough for this time of year. Cut and hang that bunch, I'd hate to see you loose another.
bananimal
12-30-2012, 09:30 PM
It's close enough for this time of year. Cut and hang that bunch, I'd hate to see you loose another.
Me too! The new years eve bunch will be harvested tommorrow but not when the ball comes down! :2787:
Nicolas Naranja
12-31-2012, 03:54 AM
It looks a lot like mysore, which is my favorite eating banana.
bananimal
12-31-2012, 08:32 AM
I visited Unbelievable Acres Botanic Gardens this summer and Gean Joyner himself lead our group on a walking tour thru his "rain forest". Ran into 3 mats of Mysore and I got a close look. Same general appearance as my Pisang Klotek in height, pstem diameter, leaf shape and petiole length.
Especially checked the color of the petioles and they had a similar pink coloration. It was a distinctly lighter pink/red color than the darker burgundy/red wine color of my PK petioles.
Cutting down the bunch today to hang in the kitchen. Will post pics when they ripen.
Nick --- can't wait to see how much bigger your PK bunch will be growing in that mucky muck soil around the big lake.
venturabananas
12-31-2012, 03:28 PM
It looks a lot like mysore, which is my favorite eating banana.
That's because it is a Mysore. I think the jury is out on whether it really is a distinct cultivar within this subgroup, but from my very limited taste tests, I reckon PK isn't distinguishable by taste from what is sold in the hobby as Mysore.
bananimal
12-31-2012, 09:50 PM
That's because it is a Mysore. I think the jury is out on whether it really is a distinct cultivar within this subgroup, but from my very limited taste tests, I reckon PK isn't distinguishable by taste from what is sold in the hobby as Mysore.
Noted! When I start tasting my PK I'll document the details. I may have to go see Gene to get a Mysore sample for comparison.
Better yet, I'll bring him a PK to plant in his Rain Forest so that a comparison can be made on equal footing.
Thanks Mark.
Illia
01-01-2013, 02:40 AM
That's quite a huge bunch there. How tall did the banana get? (p-stem, not leaf height)
Rmplmnz
01-06-2013, 12:30 AM
That's because it is a Mysore. I think the jury is out on whether it really is a distinct cultivar within this subgroup, but from my very limited taste tests, I reckon PK isn't distinguishable by taste from what is sold in the hobby as Mysore.
Ventura..nice call.
Need to keep us all on track.
I need to relabel the GA pics as Orinoco....alas I have concluded it is not another blugoe species!:drum:
bananimal
01-10-2013, 04:56 PM
The PK bunch is still hanging on the mat. With highs of 80F and lows in the 60s everyday the bunch might as well continue maturing.
Man, everything is budding early with this weather. If a frost hits later we will have a big mess.
bananimal
01-13-2013, 07:03 PM
Finally cut it down to ripen in the house.
Weight 25.5 pounds. Pstem fruited at 10 ft.
Wife said ------- "Not another one." lol :ha:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=51881&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=51881&ppuser=820)
Kostas
01-13-2013, 07:15 PM
Awesome Dan!!! :woohoonaner:
2woodensticks
01-13-2013, 08:01 PM
jealous....real nice bunch..puts my last orinoco bunch to shame shame shame..
venturabananas
01-13-2013, 09:11 PM
Wife said ------- "Not another one." lol :ha:
She might change her tune after she tries these! :08:
Nice bunch.
bananimal
01-13-2013, 09:27 PM
She might change her tune after she tries these! :08:
Nice bunch.
Ironic, cause she started a strict diet in Nov. --- no bananas!
I'll suggest she have a couple at bkfst and just skip lunch. Yeah right.
The waiting for yellow skins begins. Will post.
Julian
01-14-2013, 12:02 AM
Ironic, cause she started a strict diet in Nov. --- no bananas!
I'll suggest she have a couple at bkfst and just skip lunch. Yeah right.
The waiting for yellow skins begins. Will post.
Your wife can keep eating bananas and still lose weight.
Morning Banana Diet — Japan's Simplest Diet: Eat a Banana in the Morning for Breakfast (http://morningbanana.com/)
bananimal
01-14-2013, 12:34 AM
Your wife can keep eating bananas and still lose weight.
Morning Banana Diet — Japan's Simplest Diet: Eat a Banana in the Morning for Breakfast (http://morningbanana.com/)
Interesting but impractical. The best way for Americans to lose weight is to replace sugar and limit carbs. Protein and fresh vegetables is the way to go. Wife has lost over 20 lbs since Nov and I have been sort of following along. I'm down 19 lbs and I still have a beer or 2 with dinner. The thing I found fascinating is that when you get to a certain point into it the cravings just plain stop. Can't wait until I can fit into the striped bell bottoms I wore in college. :ha:
Julian
01-14-2013, 02:55 AM
She can have some man. It's all good.
Should I Stop Eating Bananas If I'm Trying To Lose Weight? | LIVESTRONG.COM (http://www.livestrong.com/article/422323-should-i-stop-eating-bananas-if-im-trying-to-lose-weight/)
Nicolas Naranja
01-14-2013, 07:41 AM
I'm against any diet that involves not eating bananas. I wish that Japanese one would catch on over here.
momoese
01-14-2013, 12:00 PM
Looks good Dan!
Btw I'll be harvesting the Yacon this weekend. The plant is almost dead from the cold snap we've had in So Cal. Hoping for a nice sweet crop!
wolfyhound
01-14-2013, 12:01 PM
That's an awesome lot of bananas!
I think bananas are healthy and the best way for losing weight as a long term goal is to drop portion size and not overdo any 'junk' food like soda and candy and chips. But that's what works for me. I lost about 80+ lbs in a year and since I ate smaller meals, my stomach shrank so now I feel full with smaller meals and it's actually uncomfortable to eat huge meals.
To think, in my 20s I would eat entire extra large deep dish pan pizzas by myself and was STILL underweight. Sigh. Getting older sucks.
venturabananas
01-14-2013, 12:22 PM
Interesting but impractical. The best way for Americans to lose weight is to replace sugar and limit carbs. Protein and fresh vegetables is the way to go.
I'd question the actual health benefits of any diet that restricts fresh fruit. The vitamin, mineral, and anti-oxidants of fruits probably far outweigh any weight gain they might cause. The low-carb diet basically force the body into ketosis (which is what happens when you are starving) and it's not all the healthy a state to be in. Slimmer and healthy is the goal, not slimmer and unhealthy. Cut out the added sugars and refined carbohydrates, but for actual health (not weight -- don't confuse the two), eat those fruits!
wolfyhound
01-14-2013, 12:50 PM
The classic "no carb" diet is ONLY supposed to be no carbs to begin with to start your body into that state. It was never intended to be a state that the human body survives in which is why long term you end up with issues with it as a diet.
Fresh fruit is healthy. Natural sugars don't outweigh all the good benefits included in the food itself.
bananimal
01-14-2013, 06:39 PM
Looks good Dan!
Btw I'll be harvesting the Yacon this weekend. The plant is almost dead from the cold snap we've had in So Cal. Hoping for a nice sweet crop!
That's great. Looking forward to Yacking it up.
Can they get planted after harvest or do they have to dry out/mature some?
Man is this thread all over the place. First dieting then yacking. :ha:
momoese
01-14-2013, 07:43 PM
That's great. Looking forward to Yacking it up.
Can they get planted after harvest or do they have to dry out/mature some?
Man is this thread all over the place. First dieting then yacking. :ha:
Last year I stuck the freshly dug (laid a an outdoor shaded table a day or so) growing points straight into potting soil in small 1/2 Gal containers and kept them on the dry side. As soon as I saw growth I laid on the water, then after some nice growth right into the ground.
I'll let ya how the harvest goes this weekend.
bananimal
01-14-2013, 08:23 PM
I'd question the actual health benefits of any diet that restricts fresh fruit. The vitamin, mineral, and anti-oxidants of fruits probably far outweigh any weight gain they might cause. The low-carb diet basically force the body into ketosis (which is what happens when you are starving) and it's not all the healthy a state to be in. Slimmer and healthy is the goal, not slimmer and unhealthy. Cut out the added sugars and refined carbohydrates, but for actual health (not weight -- don't confuse the two), eat those fruits!
I was reluctant to get into detail therby hijacking my own thread. However, let me clarify. Both of us eat fruit on this diet. It's supervised by Quick Weight Loss Centers. There are offices all over the USA including San Diego, Tony.
All kinds of fruit are allowed --- except the banana! Except for the holidays, this is the regimen 7 days a week.
I personally eat fresh sour cherries or a banana at bkfst with cereal - no more gout. Dessert is one or 2 fresh Honeybell tangelos while they are available.
Lunch it's a cup of fresh blue berries and a yoghurt. I'm a b-berry addict.
Din-din it's broiled, grilled or roasted meat or fish with steamed fresh veggies.
No rice --- potato baked once a week (we split it), no bread or crackers.
I'm down 2 pant sizes and feeling gooder - a lot. Can we get back to Pisang Klotek now? Will post taste report when fruit ripen.
Dan the B'mal --- who is now down 2 pants sizes!!!
cheson74
01-14-2013, 11:08 PM
Beautiful bunch. Thanks for sharing.
Julian
01-15-2013, 12:22 AM
Dan the B'mal --- who is now down 2 pants sizes!!!
More power to you. Best wishes :waving:
bananimal
01-22-2013, 08:53 PM
My official taste tester is helping to speed up PK ripening using body heat. This hand turned all yellow this AM. Will wait 2 more days to taste.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=52003&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=52003&ppuser=820)
PR-Giants
01-22-2013, 11:25 PM
Nice Dog
ron_mcb
01-23-2013, 04:36 AM
That's because it is a Mysore. I think the jury is out on whether it really is a distinct cultivar within this subgroup, but from my very limited taste tests, I reckon PK isn't distinguishable by taste from what is sold in the hobby as Mysore.
So the pisang klotek has a different color than the common mysore? Undersides of the leaves come out Lighter? Was wondering what made people call it a variant??
I have a mysore from tony. I get all kinds of colors from the leaf undersides. I get light red.. Light red with dark red squares and bars .. Sometimes The undersides have no red color at all. This probably came about after the corm's growing point was destroyed? Im just saying with mysore Weird color variations are possible.
momoese
01-23-2013, 10:42 AM
So the pisang klotek has a different color than the common mysore? Undersides of the leaves come out Lighter? Was wondering what made people call it a variant??
I have a mysore from tony. I get all kinds of colors from the leaf undersides. I get light red.. Light red with dark red squares and bars .. Sometimes The undersides have no red color at all. This probably came about after the corm's growing point was destroyed? Im just saying with mysore Weird color variations are possible.
The gentleman I bought the original Pisang Klotek from imported it from Sri Lanka. He said it was called Pisang Klotek. Over the years it was ID'd by Gabe and others as Mysore. Are there any differences, who knows. I don't think anyone has grown and fruited PK next to Mysore yet.
ron_mcb
01-23-2013, 11:39 AM
The gentleman I bought the original Pisang Klotek from imported it from Sri Lanka. He said it was called Pisang Klotek. Over the years it was ID'd by Gabe and others as Mysore. Are there any differences, who knows. I don't think anyone has grown and fruited PK next to Mysore yet.
Ok thanks. I was checking out the few pics of online and was wondering if it was just a mysore with less red pigmentation. The leaf undersides have red coloration and everthing huh? I was gonna try to get one and put it in the ground with my mysore and take pics as it grew. if theres one thing I can do its make comments based on observation. :) People who I asked didn't want to speak on parting with one easily. it had become kinda exclusive.
Terri
01-23-2013, 11:55 AM
Can a diabetic chime in, here? Bananas are FULL! of carbs!
That is why I cut my bananas in half: half now and half later. That keeps my blood sugar steady and helps to keep my weight down.
No food is bad: some are just richer than others!
momoese
01-23-2013, 12:17 PM
Can a diabetic chime in, here? Bananas are FULL! of carbs!
That is why I cut my bananas in half: half now and half later. That keeps my blood sugar steady and helps to keep my weight down.
No food is bad: some are just richer than others!
You should consider growing Yacon!
momoese
01-23-2013, 12:22 PM
Ok thanks. I was checking out the few pics of online and was wondering if it was just a mysore with less red pigmentation. The leaf undersides have red coloration and everthing huh?
It gets the redish bronze color on the newly emerged leaf undersides. As the leaves mature the color fades or turns all green except the midrib which stays maroon.
As for availability it should be getting easier to find as time goes by. More and more people are sharing pups.
Terri
01-23-2013, 12:40 PM
You should consider growing Yacon!
I *HAVE* considered raising the smaller bananas, but first things first. If I can get a basjoo to bloom, then I will try out the others. I live in zone 6.
I figure on bringing pups in from my Basjoo to experiment with, first. I have not yet gotten a banana to survive the winter inside!
I intend to get serious about it next winter. Meanwhile I am reading all of the threads for indoor and cold hardy bananas.
momoese
01-23-2013, 12:47 PM
I *HAVE* considered raising the smaller bananas, but first things first. If I can get a basjoo to bloom, then I will try out the others. I live in zone 6.
I figure on bringing pups in from my Basjoo to experiment with, first. I have not yet gotten a banana to survive the winter inside!
I intend to get serious about it next winter. Meanwhile I am reading all of the threads for indoor and cold hardy bananas.
Yacon is not a banana, it's a sweet tuber that is safe for diabetics to consume. It's like a sweet Jicama. I grow it.
http://www.bananas.org/f8/yacon-14705.html
Terri
01-23-2013, 12:49 PM
Yacon is not a banana, it's a sweet tuber that is safe for diabetics to consume. It's like a sweet Jicama. I grow it.
http://www.bananas.org/f8/yacon-14705.html
OH!
I shall have to look it up!
bananimal
01-24-2013, 01:29 AM
Speaking of diabetes. There were a couple of plants on the auction table at my rare fruit club this month. Called the insulin plant. Eating one leaf in the AM and one in the PM is said to regulate blood sugar to the extent that insulin is no longer needed. Anybody heard of this?
And what Terri said about bananas --- that's why they are not allowed on the diet of the Quick Weight Loss Centers. Most other fresh fruit is.
venturabananas
01-24-2013, 01:31 AM
The gentleman I bought the original Pisang Klotek from imported it from Sri Lanka. He said it was called Pisang Klotek. Over the years it was ID'd by Gabe and others as Mysore. Are there any differences, who knows. I don't think anyone has grown and fruited PK next to Mysore yet.
I agree that at this point, no one knows if Pisang Klotek is a distinct cultivar of Mysore or just Mysore with an exotic local name from Sri Lanka. I think the only relatively strong piece of evidence for it being a distinct cultivar within the Mysore subgroup is that it doesn't seem to get quite as tall as Mysore sometimes does. But as for appearance, I'm growing Pisang Klotek immediately adjacent to Pisang Ceylan (a Mysore clone that doesn't have the banana streak virus in its DNA), and I don't think it is possible to tell the two apart. Maybe they'll end up being different heights, but overall appearance is identical. Hopefully I'll get them both fruiting regularly and I'll be able to say something informed about whether there are any detectable differences between the plants or the fruit. From very limit experience, flavor-wise, Mysore is very similar to PK, but I've never tried them at the same time to compare them. My guess is they'll taste the same if grown in the same place at the same time. The best bananas I've ever tasted were Mysore. (For the record, I've had some pretty unimpressive Mysore, too, that were scrawny and undernourished.)
momoese
01-24-2013, 10:42 AM
Speaking of diabetes. There were a couple of plants on the auction table at my rare fruit club this month. Called the insulin plant. Eating one leaf in the AM and one in the PM is said to regulate blood sugar to the extent that insulin is no longer needed. Anybody heard of this?
And what Terri said about bananas --- that's why they are not allowed on the diet of the Quick Weight Loss Centers. Most other fresh fruit is.
I've heard of Yacon refereed to as insulin plant and a study was done recently on the effects of Yacon leave consumption on diabetics but the results were not favorable.
bananimal
01-24-2013, 11:01 AM
Today was the second taste of the first yellow PK's. Day 3 after skins turned yellow. Much better but still firm and taste not fully developed. Skins show marks and spots but fruit is clear. Flavor is so deep and complex I have no idea what the final result is. I'm tasting these for the first time too. Will try again mañana.
Amazing --- great tasting naner with unrefrigerated shelf life. The hands left on the bunch are still all green.
No other musa cultivar I've grown and harvested has these qualities.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=52021&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=52021&ppuser=820)
momoese
01-24-2013, 11:18 AM
I've found that just like other bananas the weather while the bunch is hanging on the plant plays a role in the flavor and texture of the fruit. Are you getting any pineapple overtones?
Btw please pm me your address so I don't have to search for it. I'm not sure if the growth tubers are going to make it as all the ones I've taken off the main bunch have gotten soft the next day. I think they need a little moisture. I may send a whole plant bottom.
PR-Giants
01-24-2013, 11:29 AM
Speaking of diabetes. There were a couple of plants on the auction table at my rare fruit club this month. Called the insulin plant. Eating one leaf in the AM and one in the PM is said to regulate blood sugar to the extent that insulin is no longer needed. Anybody heard of this?
And what Terri said about bananas --- that's why they are not allowed on the diet of the Quick Weight Loss Centers. Most other fresh fruit is.
Here many people use alpiste to control diabetes, wholesale cost $0.60 per pound.
Alpiste retail price is $5.00 to $8.00 per pound, while Canaryseed retail price is $1.50 per pound.
The interesting thing is that they are identical except for the labels, and both came out of the same exact 1000 kg bulk tote bag.
bananimal
01-24-2013, 04:14 PM
I've found that just like other bananas the weather while the bunch is hanging on the plant plays a role in the flavor and texture of the fruit. Are you getting any pineapple overtones?
Btw please pm me your address so I don't have to search for it. I'm not sure if the growth tubers are going to make it as all the ones I've taken off the main bunch have gotten soft the next day. I think they need a little moisture. I may send a whole plant bottom.
Weather influence - true. Getting pineapple, soursop, guava, cumquat --- you name it flavors. And the tastes linger way longer than supermkt naners. When they are fully ripe and the flesh has softened I'll try to nail down the tastes. Gonna fry up a few when the skins blacken too for Nick's sake.
And I almost forgot --- the smell!!! The kitchen is gonna smell awesome in a few days.
PR-Giants
01-24-2013, 06:41 PM
Getting pineapple, soursop, guava, cumquat --- you name it flavors. And the tastes linger And I almost forgot --- the smell!!!
Might need some tall boots for the rest of this thread.
momoese
01-24-2013, 08:14 PM
I just realized that my PK leaves held up better to that bit of arctic cold we had than the Namwah, DB, and the FHIA18, like apples and oranges better! This plant can handle some pretty cool temps. It's leaves are almost fully green while the others are almost fully yellow and brown.
venturabananas
01-24-2013, 08:52 PM
I just realized that my PK leaves held up better to that bit of arctic cold we had than the Namwah, DB, and the FHIA18, like apples and oranges better! This plant can handle some pretty cool temps. It's leaves are almost fully green while the others are almost fully yellow and brown.
I wonder if that is due to microclimates in your yard. My PK doesn't look any better than those ones you mentioned, looks way better than the Cavendish types and Rose, and not nearly as good dwarf Namwah.
momoese
01-24-2013, 10:00 PM
I wonder if that is due to microclimates in your yard. My PK doesn't look any better than those ones you mentioned, looks way better than the Cavendish types and Rose, and not nearly as good dwarf Namwah.
They are all planted right next to each other so that pretty much rules out micro climate. The PK is closer to my garage, that's the only thing i can think of that might give it any advantage, but even the second PK stand in the main garden is doing better than the DB right next to it. I'll get a few pics tomorrow.
ron_mcb
01-25-2013, 04:56 PM
They are all planted right next to each other so that pretty much rules out micro climate. The PK is closer to my garage, that's the only thing i can think of that might give it any advantage, but even the second PK stand in the main garden is doing better than the DB right next to it. I'll get a few pics tomorrow.
I have a few bananas outside in pots all green leaves.. No heat.. mysore is one of them. Its been 27° some nights..the frost can't really settle on them and not a lot of cold rain gets into the crown. Since they are close to the house I guess it's a micro climate..The ones in the ground and fully exposed have brown leaves and try to push out green on warm weeks. Its hasn't been below 25° here so far.. It's been warm. almost anything is possible.
bananimal
01-26-2013, 12:20 PM
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Did the final taste of the first yellow PK's today. Day 5 after skins turned yellow. Taste is rich rich rich with much of the acid bite gone and flesh has softened. Skins show pronounced marks and spots but fruit shows no bruises. Ate 5 with my Wheaties - bkfst of Bananimals. Dog ate one.
Flavor deep and complex --- best naner I ever ate.
Super unrefrigerated shelf life and the hands left on the bunch are still green. So I'm cutting off one hand at a time every day now. Each hand is on a paper plate and numbered.
Best naner I ever grew.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=52026&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=52026)
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