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Yuri Barros
10-15-2012, 06:24 PM
I found this Video.............about what I think is Musa troglodytarum..........a rare stuff.................

fehi banana harvest - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNK8m5xLQd4)

david.
10-15-2012, 08:14 PM
He munching them like he's having an orgasm. Good thing to say about the flavor. Sounds like an incredible variety!!

pushak513
10-15-2012, 08:24 PM
If I could only make my yard look like that..Hope you find one Yuri you seem determined to grow on of these fehi.

RAINFOREZT
10-15-2012, 10:33 PM
I watched all his videos on youtube ....And he is a member of this forum. Look at this pic!!

Banana Gallery - Fehi and me (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=14934&cat=500&ppuser=4535)

harveyc
10-15-2012, 11:37 PM
http://www.bananas.org/f11/aloha-big-island-hawaii-6706.html

Yuri Barros
10-16-2012, 01:52 AM
Nice to hear that he is a member of this forum........................

YES.........I'm trying to find this strain of Fehi Banana to import........................some call it Karat.............

In the Youtube comments..............he said Prehistoric Banana..............that´s what I like..................rare and ancient strains..........

In my list followed by Fehi.................are a kind of Plantain from Uganda called Matoke................and Musa ingens from PNG...................

But Karat.......Musa troglodytarum.......... for sure is my favorite..................

pushak513
10-16-2012, 06:55 AM
is this strain really that hard to get? I thought that guy in thailand had like 200 strains If he dosent have it for sale I wouldnt know where to start looking.

Yuri Barros
10-16-2012, 08:03 AM
I asked him...........and I think that he is trying to find it.............

He already send me a 1000 Fingers................that is really beautiful right now..........................and growing vigorously.............

RAINFOREZT
10-16-2012, 08:40 AM
ScienceDirect.com - Journal of Food Composition and Analysis - Carotenoid and riboflavin content of banana cultivars from Makira, Solomon Islands (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S088915751000075X)

harveyc
10-16-2012, 09:51 AM
"coconut chris" is apparently Chris Carter who had brought Fe'i plants to sell at the breadfruit festival written about at http://www.bananas.org/f2/hawaii-breadfruit-banana-festival-pics-comments-16760.html Looks like Andrew and Rob are both growing it now. :)

Yuri Barros
10-16-2012, 12:05 PM
Nice Article and Links...............

Also these people in Pohnpei seems to work with these varieties............including Karat............

Kaselehlie Press | Enipein community shares rare banana planting materials and i (http://bild-art.de/kpress/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1287)

Magilla Gorilla
10-16-2012, 01:46 PM
"coconut chris" is apparently Chris Carter who had brought Fe'i plants to sell at the breadfruit festival written about at http://www.bananas.org/f2/hawaii-breadfruit-banana-festival-pics-comments-16760.html Looks like Andrew and Rob are both growing it now. :)

Chris is a really nice guy. I purchased several bananas from him at the breadfruit festival. I am planning to visit his place soon.

pushak513
10-16-2012, 06:00 PM
Chris is a really nice guy. I purchased several bananas from him at the breadfruit festival. I am planning to visit his place soon.

make sure to take a camera I bet its got some nice stuff.

PR-Giants
10-17-2012, 11:58 AM
Musa 'Aiuri', fe'i banana - Bananas.org (http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?p=116474&posted=1#post116474)

Yuri Barros
10-17-2012, 12:57 PM
Nice links............

pushak513
10-17-2012, 03:04 PM
..well now you got me wanting to find one to grow Yuri.. I hate peer pressure :ha:

Yuri Barros
10-17-2012, 04:01 PM
This is my favorite by many aspects............

This variety is exactly what I´m searching for............

All sizes | Musa fehi, fe‘i banana | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40295335@N00/7063793655/sizes/z/in/photostream/)

DoctorSteve
10-17-2012, 05:45 PM
Does anyone how to get in touch with coconut Chris?

pushak513
10-17-2012, 06:59 PM
Does anyone how to get in touch with coconut Chris?

Im sure the members from hawaii do. how willing he is to part with some of these fehi might be the real problem.

robguz24
10-17-2012, 10:33 PM
I think the shipping from Hawaii issue is a bigger problem. I've never tried contacting someone via youtube, but I guess you could try that, or via his account on here.

DoctorSteve
10-17-2012, 11:14 PM
Oh for sure it would be hard and/or expensive but I really just want to ask him some questions.

G.W.
10-18-2012, 02:25 AM
I really hate to say this..... count me in for $50.

Where is Gabe with some TC Fehi?

robguz24
10-18-2012, 02:52 AM
Oh for sure it would be hard and/or expensive but I really just want to ask him some questions.

I was thinking more of the issues which make it illegal for most people in Hawaii, outside of certified nurseries to mail plants & produce, because of disease issues such as bunchy top or soil pests that aren't on the mainland. I've met him briefly but don't have his contact info. The person who told me I should contact him for banana info suggested finding him on youtube, so I'm just passing on the suggestion. I would love to see Fe'i types getting TC'd and sold on the mainland, and here in Hawaii. I've seen one type for sale ever here, and I bought it! And have never tasted one, but some day...

momoese
10-18-2012, 09:41 AM
I personally know of two people who have tried growing Karat here in the states(mainland), both in good zones, both failed. Gabe has told me that he even had trouble growing a certain Fei in HI. One friend still has some of the high carotenoid variety that came with the Karat tc's and some others from Pohnpei before Lois passed. Seems they are on lock down these days.

That said if the Karat get tc'd here count me in.

Yuri Barros
10-18-2012, 10:25 AM
Is it possible to ship small Frags...........for a Tissue propagation...........???

Rmplmnz
10-21-2012, 12:37 PM
Few videos we made in Moorea:

Fei Peeling 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSyAKbTd4D8)
Fei Peeling 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCHxZyHR_K8)
Fei Mashing 1.MOV - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EruCOgRVmJw)
Fei Mashing 2.MOV - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZxwu4KF9a0)
Fei Mashing 3.MOV - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXAPjYZ_EaE)
Fei Mashing 4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWoruVAS04w)

Rmplmnz
10-21-2012, 12:39 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=28514&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=28514)http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=28517&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=28517)http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=28515&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=28515)http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=28516&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=28516)http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=28518&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=28518)

Yuri Barros
10-21-2012, 01:09 PM
I don´t know the extreme East.............of the Distribution range of Fei Bananas..............

French Polynesia seems to be on of the places in the limit...........

Maybe Marquises...........???

I don´t know if there is a Fei Bananas in the Easter Island...............

I´m trying to found some information..............

Also I´m tracking a possible spot in Central or South America...............where Polynesians arrived......................in the past...........

Such Olmecs Area...................if I found Fei banana in these places..........

It´s possible perhaps...............???

This is a good Article about Polynesian Plants...............but I´m surprise that I cannot find information on Bananas here..................:(

http://www.polynesian-prehistory.com/

Rmplmnz
10-21-2012, 08:49 PM
I don´t know the extreme East.............of the Distribution range of Fei Bananas..............

French Polynesia seems to be on of the places in the limit...........

Maybe Marquises...........???

I don´t know if there is a Fei Bananas in the Easter Island...............

I´m trying to found some information..............

Also I´m tracking a possible spot in Central or South America...............where Polynesians arrived......................in the past...........

Such Olmecs Area...................if I found Fei banana in these places..........

It´s possible perhaps...............???

This is a good Article about Polynesian Plants...............but I´m surprise that I cannot find information on Bananas here..................:(

http://www.polynesian-prehistory.com/

William Lessard grew them for a while in Homestead, he had them in his catalog in the early nineties. Not sure how successfully as these were not on my radar when I last spoke with Bill in 1994.

I still have a copy (somewhere) of Bill Lessard's Going Bananas catalog....with Fehi in it..imagine buying a Fehi domestically these days:-)

Lessard had traveled the globe accumulating over 100 different species planted on 5 acres in Homestead, Fl.

This article references the sale of Going Bananas to Don & Katie; but only mentions 35 banana varieties:
Going Bananas grows bananas - Miami Food and Drink | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/going-bananas-grows-bananas)


Article excerpt:

Learning from Lessard

The Chafins bought their property in 1994. Also that year they purchased most of the banana stock – some 35 varieties – from William O. Lessard, a nearby grower who was retiring. Lessard had been growing bananas in a converted squash field he purchased in 1968.

Lessard and his wife, Suzie, were among the first vendors to participate in the Coral Gables Farmers Market, which began in 1991. That’s where I met them. My yard still has banana trees I bought from them.

In 1992, Lessard wrote and self-published a 119-page book, The Complete Book of Bananas, that is still one of the best available books on bananas. It’s now out of print, but Amazon.com and bookfinder.com sometimes offer it. The supply always was limited, and today it is very expensive. Lessard says that he intends to update and reprint it.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=41147&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=41147)http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=41146&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=41146)

Yuri Barros
10-22-2012, 05:19 AM
Nice............and TNX for the Book reference....................

I´m thinking now about Micropropagation....................

Does anyone is working with Tissue Culture on Fehi.........???

Brings Fehi to the world............is a kind of work for a Tissue Culturist...............

I´m planning o sudy the subject.................to work with 1000 fingers..........

Also ship small desinfected Frags..............could be easier..........

???

pushak513
10-22-2012, 07:00 AM
what areas of the world are these native to and what would be the best places to possible find them. a guy at work lives in the vietnam/cambodia area and goes back home once a year. he offered to mail me back anything I wanted that he could find there...if there is a fehi to be found in that region im in there :ha:

Yuri Barros
10-22-2012, 08:36 AM
Karat variety of Fehi................is founded in Pohnpei Islands...........Micronesia.................


There are many diferent cultivares of Fehi.....................

The most intresting is Karat................the one I post the links with photos..............

Yuri Barros
11-01-2012, 06:15 PM
I recieved an intresting e-mail today :

Dear Yuri,



Thanks for your message.

Karat is not available from our Musa germplasm collection; a number of other Fe’i varieties are though, which you can see here:

Welcome to MGIS (http://www.crop-diversity.org/banana/#AccessionSearch-urn:lsid:generationcp.org:SimpleOntologyTerm:MAINTENANCE_STATUS= 0&urn:lsid:generationcp.org:SimpleOntologyTerm:AVAILABILITY_FOR_EX CHANGE=1&org.generationcp.model.data.germplasm.Species=21)

If you would be interested in any of these varieties, you can order them directly online, by clicking the basket icon on the right.



With best regards,

Inge

Yuri Barros
11-01-2012, 06:23 PM
In this article one can see a Table with each variety named..............as well as the Carotenoid content of each one...............

http://islandfood.org/publications/bulletin.pdf

pushak513
11-01-2012, 08:29 PM
I might be happier for you than you are when you finally find one of these Yuri I know your puttin in work for it.. count me in for the first pup when you get one of them growing :lurk:

Abnshrek
11-01-2012, 09:29 PM
How come there isn't any reference in the wiki on this banana? :^)

pushak513
11-23-2012, 03:04 PM
well I wasn't going to let this info slip through my hands. a new girls just started with my wife at work. very nice girl and she tells me she is from micronesa, said she comes from bikini island. once she is there for a little while I am going to ask her about a Fi banana just for you Yuri :ha: see what I can get my hands on.

Yuri Barros
11-23-2012, 03:41 PM
Nice..............thank you..................

momoese
11-23-2012, 07:11 PM
How come there isn't any reference in the wiki on this banana? :^)

Because the few people on the mainland who are or have tried growing them don't want anyone to know.

pushak513
11-23-2012, 07:27 PM
If I can manage to get ahold of one I am going to make an attempt to get it into tissue culture ASAP for the ones on the mainland who do want to try it. kinda like a johnny apple seed mission :ha:

Gabe15
11-24-2012, 01:04 PM
In my experience, Fe'i can be very difficult to grow. They need perfect conditions to thrive, which seem to be very wet, shady and warm. They are not easy to keep alive in the nursery in pots, often doing fine and then dying suddenly for no obvious reason. Even if growing excellent in the ground, they are very slow plants, often taking 2-3 years to flower for each shoot, and they can be difficult to tissue culture as well. They are also very tropical, requiring more consistent tropical conditions than most other bananas. I have had 4 different fe'i cultivars collected here in Hawaii ('Aiuri, 'Afara, Poti'a, and an unknown one from Kaua'i which looked like a Karat-type) , and am down to 1, all the rest have died. The one I have left is in the greenhouse, but I am afraid to plant is as they are very susceptible to BBTV, I am planning on moving it to a friends property which seems to be BBTV-free for the time being.

It would appear to me that fe'i are not rare in the hobby trade because people don't want to share, but because they are difficult to keep alive. Even here in Hawaii, most of the time they do very poorly, and only in the most perfect conditions do they thrive.

DoctorSteve
11-26-2012, 08:36 PM
Karat is not available from our Musa germplasm collection; a number of other Fe’i varieties are though, which you can see here:

Welcome to MGIS

If you would be interested in any of these varieties, you can order them directly online, by clicking the basket icon on the right.

I was looking around on the site but I cannot figure out how much they charge. Does anyone know?

Gabe15
11-26-2012, 08:43 PM
I was looking around on the site but I cannot figure out how much they charge. Does anyone know?

The service and materials (plants) are free given you meet the use requirements. There are fees associated with use of the material after you get it, but as best as I can figure out, it is quite difficult to use the material in such a way as to necessitate the payments, so basically there are no fees.

However, it is not intended to be a resource for hobbyists to play around with the plants just for fun, it is intended for research, development and utilization for food security purposes. It is expensive to maintain and send out all of the plants for free, so it is good to respect their use guidelines.

Yuri Barros
11-27-2012, 04:56 AM
I think that hobbists plays an important role in conservation.................

Always they are the first to get rare species....................

And Private Collections acts like a Noah Arch.......................

A place where government can get new varieties or species to develop it more deeply............

For now..........I am among the few people...............that have Thousand Fingers here in Brazil.............or maybe I am the only one that have this species.............

Maybe in the future................I can give pups to places like Embrapa............that develops new and desease resistent varieties................for exemple..............

Also hobbists are a giant source of Good and Healthy information.............many of them are almost true scientists...................

My idea is to introduce new varieties here in Brazil.............and Fehi varieties is specially intresting.................due the high levels of vitamins............

Here in my state..............São Paulo state................we have two kind of climates.................

One is Atlantic Forest................along the Mountains................in the Coast..........

But for Fehi.............interior Deciduous Forests seems to be much more intresting......................

The place is similar to harsh condition founded in Micronesia Atolls and Islands...................

Very very hot place....................drier and warmer than Atlantic Forest.................and the seasons are hard to tell apart.................the weather is almost constant......................

I was thinking about the salt content in the soils where Fehi are founded...................???

Also there are places with contents of salt........................and the water alkaline................hard...................due dissolved salts................

Plants like Mangoes..............have huge vegetative growth................in these places..................as well as Bananas.....................

Now I´m studing these articles of Micronesia Islands soils.............

Kosrae Islands............

http://soildatamart.nrcs.usda.gov/Manuscripts/PB931/0/Kosrae.pdf

Chuuk Islands.............

http://soildatamart.nrcs.usda.gov/Manuscripts/PB933/0/truk.pdf

Yap Islands.............

http://soildatamart.nrcs.usda.gov/Manuscripts/PB934/0/yap.pdf

Yuri Barros
11-27-2012, 05:30 AM
Gabe..............my English is very poor............

I was trying to read these Articles......................but I´m not alble to find the exact spot.................that matches Fehi occurrence...................with Soil type..................

If you find this spot...............please tell us.................

I would like to know the exacat soil type.........................but I have difficulties..............

Also I don´t know eaxctly where Fehi is founded.................the name of the localities...................I don´t have these infos..............

I would like to make such study................a list with all kind of Fehi..........and their correspondent soil types.......................

I don´t know if its a relevant kind of information............to keep Fehi alive out side their original range............???

But I think that it´s intresting to know....................

Rmplmnz
09-07-2013, 12:51 PM
Flickr photo of a fe'i

Musa fehi, fe‘i banana | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40295335@N00/7063793655/lightbox/)

Tahitian fehi/fe‘i banana (Musa troglodytarum cultivar Poti‘a), Waimea Falls Park, Oahu, April 2012: called mai‘a Polapola in Hawaiian because introduced from Borabora, Tahiti

pushak513
09-07-2013, 04:25 PM
I wonder if Yuri ever got one of these...

Basjoofriend
09-09-2013, 05:42 AM
Hi Yuri,

yes, my friend Helton from Colecionando Frutas (Angatuba) wants this species, but here I read that this species is difficulty to be cultivated in Angatuba and Lucianópolis.

You are right, that collectors are important to conserve rare species and bananas against extinction, Helton and I are doing this. I am wanting a visa for scientists, the Polícia Federal in Bauru suggested this. But one lawyger told me that this is not possible without study at one university, I only do have secondary school, but very good. I think, it is difficulty to get such visa as one hobby researcher like us here in the forum. But I never give up until I get one permit to stay in Brazil for ever.

I write you one PN.

Abracos
Joachim