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Nicolas Naranja
09-10-2012, 01:25 PM
So, the plants that I have at my house are starting to flower

FHIA-17
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-08181759.jpg

Hua Moa
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-08181846.jpg

The alley way between two double rows
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-08181911.jpg


I'll try to keep things updated from now until harvest :>

bananimal
09-10-2012, 07:41 PM
Nick -------- how's the PK doing?

Nicolas Naranja
09-10-2012, 09:08 PM
Nick -------- how's the PK doing?

It's about 8' tall and has 2 pups. I had 60 mph winds this summer and it bent it over pretty bad so I had to prop it.

bananimal
09-10-2012, 11:31 PM
Should flower at 9 to 10 ft. Mine is almost there.

Nicolas Naranja
09-11-2012, 08:06 AM
Should flower at 9 to 10 ft. Mine is almost there.

I figured it was getting close...it has that "I'm about to flower" look.

2woodensticks
09-11-2012, 09:14 AM
my hoa moa should fruit next year{save a bad frost}and fingers crossed my praying hands...great pics...Gooooooooooo FLORIDA BANANAS>>>

trebor
09-11-2012, 11:42 AM
Great pic of the FHIA-17 in flower I have 2 of them in my back yard ..One has produced 4 pups and the other one is in "too much shade". They produce nice big pups . These are from TC so I'm hoping next year to see a flower on the bigger one .. And we had some crazy wind here this summer also. Pushed over my Manzana. I stood it back up! I think it must have stressed the mat because I got a bloom on a smaller plant and looks like another bloom is on the way on a larger plant .. No problem.... I like Manzana bananas most of all :) And I aint sharing

Nicolas Naranja
09-11-2012, 12:13 PM
Great pic of the FHIA-17 in flower I have 2 of them in my back yard ..One has produced 4 pups and the other one is in "too much shade". They produce nice big pups . These are from TC so I'm hoping next year to see a flower on the bigger one .. And we had some crazy wind here this summer also. Pushed over my Manzana. I stood it back up! I think it must have stressed the mat because I got a bloom on a smaller plant and looks like another bloom is on the way on a larger plant .. No problem.... I like Manzana bananas most of all :) And I aint sharing

The one in the picture is from tissue culture as well. I bought it as a small plantlet May 2010. I planted it in the ground October 2010. It is a slow grower.

bananimal
09-11-2012, 06:59 PM
I figured it was getting close...it has that "I'm about to flower" look.

Saw the flower and small flag leaf today. Come onnnnnnnn PK! Winter is on the way.

Nicolas Naranja
09-12-2012, 07:26 PM
FHIA-17
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-12175226.jpg

Hua Moa
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-12175346.jpg

Pisang Klotek
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-12175255.jpg

These are being grown in some marly lake shore soil. My house would have been in the near shore.

CValentine
09-12-2012, 07:28 PM
GORGEOUS bananas Nick!!! :D ~Cheryl

Nicolas Naranja
09-17-2012, 06:29 PM
Deflowered, pruned, and sprayed with serenade+kocide

FHIA-17
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-17181837.jpg

Hua Moa
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-17182157.jpg

venturabananas
09-18-2012, 12:15 AM
Nick, I thought the copper in the Kocide killed not only fungi, but also the bacteria in the Serenade. I guess that's not true?

Nicolas Naranja
09-18-2012, 09:52 AM
Nick, I thought the copper in the Kocide killed not only fungi, but also the bacteria in the Serenade. I guess that's not true?

I talked to the product representative and was told that this was not the case. Apparently it is a common mix.

2woodensticks
09-18-2012, 01:37 PM
you spray it on the fruit???anti something or another??

Nicolas Naranja
09-18-2012, 03:24 PM
Anti-disease. I will put a bunch bag on the fruit this week and the spray basically sanitizes the fruit. I haven't spent a lot of time determining the critical step, but I have noticed that when I deflower, spray and bag I have excellent fruit quality. I have deflowered and bagged and still had fungal rot on a few fingers so I figure the spray is pretty important. The two products I am using are certified for organic use.

venturabananas
09-18-2012, 03:33 PM
I talked to the product representative and was told that this was not the case. Apparently it is a common mix.

Thanks for the info Nick. I guess it was an unsubstantiated rumor going around with the tomato maniacs who are always trying to stop fungal foliage diseases.

Nicolas Naranja
09-18-2012, 06:10 PM
Thanks for the info Nick. I guess it was an unsubstantiated rumor going around with the tomato maniacs who are always trying to stop fungal foliage diseases.

If you google kocide+serenade you should pull up some data on tomatoes. Apparently what you are applying is the toxin created by the bacteria, the actual live bacteria aren't very abundant.

venturabananas
09-18-2012, 06:29 PM
If you google kocide+serenade you should pull up some data on tomatoes. Apparently what you are applying is the toxin created by the bacteria, the actual live bacteria aren't very abundant.

Interesting. I had always assumed Serenade worked based on live bacteria. Thanks Nick.

Nicolas Naranja
09-25-2012, 09:32 AM
Say good night to the FHIA-17
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-24173929.jpg

2woodensticks
09-25-2012, 12:19 PM
and the bag??where did you obtain from???kind of material it is made from??thanks

Nicolas Naranja
09-25-2012, 05:16 PM
and the bag??where did you obtain from???kind of material it is made from??thanks

I made the bag out of lightweight frost cloth, Agrofabric Pro-17. It is 8' wide and I sew a seam on it to cut it in half. I think I paid $40 for a 1000' long roll. You can also reuse the bags multiple times.

Nicolas Naranja
11-13-2012, 09:22 PM
HUA MOA HARVESTED!

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-11-13175536.jpg

Yug
11-14-2012, 01:08 AM
My Hua Moa had one of the smallest flowers I've ever seen on a banana. Yours is much nicer.

Nicolas Naranja
11-14-2012, 09:33 AM
My Hua Moa had one of the smallest flowers I've ever seen on a banana. Yours is much nicer.

They seem to do well here in the muck soils.

Nicolas Naranja
12-08-2012, 06:46 PM
Harvested the FHIA-17. Not a big bunch, but nice looking fruit.

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-12-08145122.jpg

Nicolas Naranja
12-08-2012, 06:49 PM
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-12-08124519.jpg

edzone9
12-08-2012, 06:55 PM
Awesome !

Cant wait for my 1st Harvest !
Looking Forward To Those Organic Plantains !

Nicolas Naranja
12-28-2012, 10:18 PM
It took 14 days to get a ripe banana off the FHIA-17 bunch. I ate them when they had lost all green but before it got brown spots. It was fantastic. It tasted like a banana should. The flavor that you have in banana flavored ice creams or drinks is the flavor you get from a FHIA-17. The texture was creamier than a Cavendish. Also, the fruit developed a nice yellow color without being exposed to ethylene. The peel is thick like a store bought banana. I'm going to expand plantings of this variety.

parillo12
12-29-2012, 12:57 AM
The flower on your banana was huge, I've never seen one so big.

Nicolas Naranja
04-20-2014, 07:34 PM
So I learned something with FHIA-17 this week. It tastes very nice from green tipped to all yellow. After that it is sickly sweet and overly soft. I think I ate about 20 of them over the week. After eating a slightly overripe FHIA-17, FHIA-1 didn't taste very good.

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/10152476_10152079151110847_4403201358659532266_n_zps3f4d451f.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/NicolasNaranja/media/10152476_10152079151110847_4403201358659532266_n_zps3f4d451f.jpg .html)

robguz24
04-20-2014, 07:57 PM
Reading your earlier description it really sounds like my impressions of a Gros Michel, as one might expect given the parentage. Have you or how would you compare the taste of the two?

Nicolas Naranja
04-20-2014, 08:34 PM
Reading your earlier description it really sounds like my impressions of a Gros Michel, as one might expect given the parentage. Have you or how would you compare the taste of the two?

I'll have an answer for you by the end of the week.

GreenFin
05-09-2015, 06:04 PM
I'll have an answer for you by the end of the week.
How did the FHIA 17 taste in comparison to the Gros Michel?

Nicolas Naranja
05-11-2015, 10:56 AM
How did the FHIA 17 taste in comparison to the Gros Michel?

About the same in my opinion, but the texture of the FHIA-17 is different when ripe. It gets really soft.

servatusprime
05-12-2015, 02:01 PM
About the same in my opinion, but the texture of the FHIA-17 is different when ripe. It gets really soft.

That's interesting. Which do you find easier to grow?

Nicolas Naranja
05-12-2015, 10:40 PM
That's interesting. Which do you find easier to grow?

FHIA-17 by a long shot, it tolerates terrible growing conditions. I am getting decent yields under drought conditions at my farm.

venturabananas
05-13-2015, 12:28 AM
About the same in my opinion, but the texture of the FHIA-17 is different when ripe. It gets really soft.

In that case, I have no interest in Gros Michel. I thought the FHIA-17 I tried was terrible. Admittedly, it was overripe.

Nicolas Naranja
05-13-2015, 08:15 AM
In that case, I have no interest in Gros Michel. I thought the FHIA-17 I tried was terrible. Admittedly, it was overripe.

Green-tipped they are really good. Overripe it is like banana goop.

Nicolas Naranja
05-13-2015, 03:27 PM
FHIA-17 in non-irrigated, non-fertilized, gravelly muck.
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/6fbcaeef-b3e9-44b5-b18c-2d01c7f74930_zpsiua2n5bn.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/NicolasNaranja/media/6fbcaeef-b3e9-44b5-b18c-2d01c7f74930_zpsiua2n5bn.jpg.html)

merce3
05-13-2015, 05:02 PM
how does hua moa compare to ele ele? can they be fried yellow or only green?

Nicolas Naranja
07-16-2015, 08:48 AM
By far the largest Hua Moa I have ever harvested

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/20150710_222625_zpseu0y8vou.jpg (http://s1182.photobucket.com/user/NicolasNaranja/media/20150710_222625_zpseu0y8vou.jpg.html)

Going Bananas
07-16-2015, 10:34 AM
So, the plants that I have at my house are starting to flower

FHIA-17
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-08181759.jpg

Hua Moa
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-08181846.jpg

The alley way between two double rows
http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x455/NicolasNaranja/2012-09-08181911.jpg


I'll try to keep things updated from now until harvest :>

Nick
Looks like you have a nice pad there...hobby & farm & house all in one!
How close or how far apart should those trees be to maximize the sun and aeration betwen trees?

PK looks good as well! Cant wait for mine to get that big & healthy.

Nicolas Naranja
07-16-2015, 12:39 PM
Double rows, 18' center to center, the double rows are 6' apart and the plants in the row are 7' apart. The double rows are off-set. 691 plants per acre. + = plant - = 6'

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robguz24
07-16-2015, 01:25 PM
how does hua moa compare to ele ele? can they be fried yellow or only green?
Fry them any way you want. Popoulu types like Hua Moa are a bit more starchy than Maoli types like Ele Ele. They also have a more pithy center.

merce3
07-16-2015, 01:28 PM
how does hua moa compare to ele ele? can they be fried yellow or only green?

so i fried up some ripe and unripe ele ele and found them to be good both ways. however, i found it difficult to fry them completely ripe without them beginning to fall apart. i found that the trick is to use them when they are still slightly green and cut them a little bit thicker.

me and my son are tearing them up! :08:

Going Bananas
07-16-2015, 01:43 PM
Double rows, 18' center to center, the double rows are 6' apart and the plants in the row are 7' apart. The double rows are off-set. 691 plants per acre. + = plant - = 6'

+----+--
-+-----+
+----+--
-+-----+
+----+--
-+-----+
+----+--
-+-----+
+----+--
-+-----+

TY!
These are all of the same cultivar I imagine...
same height, spread and growing requirements.

You would never intersperse using this pattern with different cultivars?
Just in case I might grow a plantation in the future...:bananas_b

Thanks again!

I also notice you keep the mats clean with 1 main tree
and possibly 1 pup or no pup?
<All for the sake of maximizing growth and yield of the crop>

Rmplmnz
07-28-2015, 08:12 PM
how does hua moa compare to ele ele? can they be fried yellow or only green?

George,

Hua Moa is the first Banana plant I purchased from Bill Lessard of Going Bananas in 1993.

This topic has been hit on a few threads:

http://www.bananas.org/f2/maya-hawaiian-plantains-10685.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/hua-moas-make-usa-ark-food-12764.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/hua-moa-bunch-ready-harvest-12552.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/platano-hawaiano-8434.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/plantain-cooking-banana-preference-12089.html

http://www.bananas.org/f11/hawaiian-plantains-10846.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/more-hua-moa-platano-hawaiano-12788.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/best-cooking-banana-203.html

:08:

Another thread:

http://www.bananas.org/f2/plantain-taste-quality-21428.html#post255000

Nicolas Naranja
07-29-2015, 08:14 AM
Actually, I have roughly 30 cultivars in 100 plants. I grouped by height. I have FHIA-1, FHIA-18, Dwarf Brazilian, and SH-3640 in the same row. The main variety was Hua Moa, but they have been torn up by wind and corm weevils, so I am moving to different varieties. The farm as a whole will likely move towards a mixture of FHIA-1, FHIA-17, Williams, Dwarf Namwah, and Dwarf PR Plantain. And yes, I keep the plants that are high density pruned back to Mother+1.


TY!
These are all of the same cultivar I imagine...
same height, spread and growing requirements.

You would never intersperse using this pattern with different cultivars?
Just in case I might grow a plantation in the future...:bananas_b

Thanks again!

I also notice you keep the mats clean with 1 main tree
and possibly 1 pup or no pup?
<All for the sake of maximizing growth and yield of the crop>

Going Bananas
07-29-2015, 10:51 AM
Dr Nick

But why will you narrow the 30 varieties to only 5?
Im sure the 18s, the DB, HM and 3640
are marketable and profitable(quick return on investment).

Thanx!

Nicolas Naranja
07-29-2015, 03:53 PM
Dr Nick

But why will you narrow the 30 varieties to only 5?
Im sure the 18s, the DB, HM and 3640
are marketable and profitable(quick return on investment).

Thanx!

I will still likely have 30 varieties, but it will probably be one example of each variety instead of what I have now. This will probably be a three year process of pulling out and replanting. Why have a variety in a field that is only going to make me 6 or 7 dollars when I could use that space and have one that makes me $30?

merce3
08-01-2015, 04:52 PM
Fry them any way you want. Popoulu types like Hua Moa are a bit more starchy than Maoli types like Ele Ele. They also have a more pithy center.

thanks. i don't know how i missed your post. they tasted great. i have a small hua moa growing, so we'll see how they compare. i lost my last one to rot during the winter. i will have to protect it better this year.

George,

Hua Moa is the first Banana plant I purchased from Bill Lessard of Going Bananas in 1993.

This topic has been hit on a few threads:

http://www.bananas.org/f2/maya-hawaiian-plantains-10685.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/hua-moas-make-usa-ark-food-12764.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/hua-moa-bunch-ready-harvest-12552.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/platano-hawaiano-8434.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/plantain-cooking-banana-preference-12089.html

http://www.bananas.org/f11/hawaiian-plantains-10846.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/more-hua-moa-platano-hawaiano-12788.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/best-cooking-banana-203.html

:08:

Another thread:

http://www.bananas.org/f2/plantain-taste-quality-21428.html#post255000

thanks chris! your search skills definitely trump mine... i was coming up empty. looks like i have some reading to do.

Rmplmnz
08-01-2015, 05:27 PM
thanks. i don't know how i missed your post. they tasted great. i have a small hua moa growing, so we'll see how they compare. i lost my last one to rot during the winter. i will have to protect it better this year.



thanks chris! your search skills definitely trump mine... i was coming up empty. looks like i have some reading to do.

No worries George, you re most welcome my friend!! I have an affinity for Hua Moa. I just sent a pup to Don & Katie Chafin of Going Bananas in Homestead (through another member). They lost their Hua Moas.

lukem5
10-22-2015, 06:58 PM
Anti-disease. I will put a bunch bag on the fruit this week and the spray basically sanitizes the fruit. I haven't spent a lot of time determining the critical step, but I have noticed that when I deflower, spray and bag I have excellent fruit quality. I have deflowered and bagged and still had fungal rot on a few fingers so I figure the spray is pretty important. The two products I am using are certified for organic use.

have you ever found the "critical step" yet? I really think its the spray + bagging combo, but the bagging is most important to protect from insect damage/sun burning.

I wonder how good bunch quality would be with bagging only?

Nicolas Naranja
10-22-2015, 07:44 PM
have you ever found the "critical step" yet? I really think its the spray + bagging combo, but the bagging is most important to protect from insect damage/sun burning.

I wonder how good bunch quality would be with bagging only?

The sprays are not required