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trebor
07-06-2012, 11:03 AM
Do you suppose this is a Ca. issue? Ive been using fertilizer from going Bananas on everything all year. This is the only plant doing this . It gets same water all the other 14 plants do everything is the same. I have 2 other plants blooming ! And others producing pups just 12 feet away..
It just aint been that hot this year here so far to be heat related unless this is just a wimpy plant .. That is suppose to be Blue Java/IceCream . I have another one next to it that looks great!
Any suggestions as to what causes that ??????

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49580&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49580)

kaczercat
07-06-2012, 11:18 AM
I'm not really sure either, I had it happen to one of my bigger plants. The leaf did the same thing. The leaf was too heavy? Not enough water?? remains a mystery.

Maybe an animal tried to climb it? Lol! Gabe or someone might know.

bananimal
07-06-2012, 12:44 PM
Trebor ---- leaves folding during the heat of the day is normal--- but cracked petioles???

Looks like somebody sat on them.

Here we go again with another freekin' Blue Java issue!

Are they planted recently?

Dan

trebor
07-06-2012, 02:12 PM
Trebor ---- leaves folding during the heat of the day is normal--- but cracked petioles???

Looks like somebody sat on them.

Here we go again with another freekin' Blue Java issue!

Are they planted recently?

Dan

Oh man !! Don't even tell me it's them BIRDS...... Im getting into my camouflage gear rite now :2723: Do you think its because their Blue Java birds like to sit on them :ha:.. Maybe we should nick name them "BSB" (Bird-sit-bananas)
I think its something that is incorrect with the plant because I have another one next to it doing just fine. But i might be putting up a scare crow just to be on the safe side
I planted them at least 120 days ago

Bob3
07-06-2012, 05:00 PM
After you chase away the gaggle of "whatever" has been parking their butts on your Blue Javas; maybe a dose of humic & fulvic acid to help with moisture absorption?

bananimal
07-06-2012, 09:04 PM
Trebor ----- since it's still a little guy why don't you yank it out and examine the corm and roots. Check for rot, bugs etc. If you see rot either trash it or scrape out the mushy parts of the corm. Stick your nose in there to verify rot. Then replant it in a pot and see what if.
If rotten -- I would put a small stake in that location to remind you to not plant in that spot again. And drench the hole with bug juice solution if you see bugs.

Dan

trebor
07-06-2012, 11:03 PM
Trebor ----- since it's still a little guy why don't you yank it out and examine the corm and roots. Check for rot, bugs etc. If you see rot either trash it or scrape out the mushy parts of the corm. Stick your nose in there to verify rot. Then replant it in a pot and see what if.
If rotten -- I would put a small stake in that location to remind you to not plant in that spot again. And drench the hole with bug juice solution if you see bugs.

Dan

Good idea! I think I might just do that after I try drowning it for a few days in case it's a water related problem..

RAINFOREZT
07-07-2012, 06:35 AM
Oh man !! Don't even tell me it's them BIRDS...... Im getting into my camouflage gear rite now :2723: Do you think its because their Blue Java birds like to sit on them :ha:.. Maybe we should nick name them "BSB" (Bird-sit-bananas)
I think its something that is incorrect with the plant because I have another one next to it doing just fine. But i might be putting up a scare crow just to be on the safe side
I planted them at least 120 days ago

May be those bluejays eat all my mangoes and got heavy and sit on your bluejava!:ha:

john_ny
07-07-2012, 01:17 PM
[I] had practically the same thing happen to some Maureliis. They were growing, over the winter, in small pots, in a bay window, with northwest exposure. There was no supplemental lighting. In the spring, I transplanted them to 10 inch pots, and gradually acclimated them to outside conditions.
At that time, I noticed several "cracked" petioles. I attribute this to two things. (although I could be wrong)
1. Although they seemed to be growing good, in the window, it could be that the growth was weak, due to insufficient light.
2. My handling them, during transplanting.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49592&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49592&ppuser=826)

When you look at the picture, however, you can see that the new leaves are coming in just fine.

trebor
07-09-2012, 12:09 PM
Trebor ----- since it's still a little guy why don't you yank it out and examine the corm and roots. Check for rot, bugs etc. If you see rot either trash it or scrape out the mushy parts of the corm. Stick your nose in there to verify rot. Then replant it in a pot and see what if.
If rotten -- I would put a small stake in that location to remind you to not plant in that spot again. And drench the hole with bug juice solution if you see bugs.

Dan

I took Banamial's advice, dug it up... looked at Korm... Pic below shows it putting out 5 pups.. But then I suppose them things are in a constant state of Korm production. I replanted it after digging and inspecting the soil I found one millipede That's kinda normal for here and I smelled it .. No stinky stuff at all
Replanted it, cut off a few leaves , used a bag of Cow manure compost in the soil , Now I wait to see what happens

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49612&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49612)

momoese
07-09-2012, 01:04 PM
I get that sometimes from over watering. Just happened a few days ago actually. I had the hose set to dribble water in the bed next to my driveway. I got distracted and forgot about it and left for the afternoon. Came home and realized I had some minor flooding going on. A few days later I have leaves hanging low and some broken stems like yours.

A consistent watering and feeding schedule will help prevent this from happening.

bananimal
07-09-2012, 02:20 PM
Trebor ------ the roots look very white and fat. Corm looks good too since you don't smell any rot. Plant it in Blk Kow and it should take off. I think you need to water more often in a 24 hour period. Not just more water one time. I got this advice from 2 nursery guys.

My irrigation controller is set for 3 times a day now for 20 mins when it gets as hot as it is now. When I see rain coming I shut it off.

Dan

trebor
07-09-2012, 02:31 PM
Trebor ------ the roots look very white and fat. Corm looks good too since you don't smell any rot. Plant it in Blk Kow and it should take off. I think you need to water more often in a 24 hour period. Not just more water one time. I got this advice from 2 nursery guys.

My irrigation controller is set for 3 times a day now for 20 mins when it gets as hot as it is now. When I see rain coming I shut it off.

Dan

I don't have a timer :( Guess Ill have to snatch one from Home Depot ..
Hmmm I got one on my hot water heater .. I wonder if My wife will kick me out if I hook it up to my pump "OUCH" I can feel the pain now
All kidding aside every morning like a faithful Daddy I water them things But I will see about some 2:00 oclock water also.. Funny thing is the Cavendish are puping like crazy and 2 with fruit on them . My Apples are swelling at the base again also pups . Even one Apple has a giant pup coming out of a old cut down PS from fruiting last year .. Its a MONSTER

PR-Giants
07-09-2012, 03:22 PM
Digging up a plant should not be your first choice, a plant that size has feeer roots 15 feet or longer. Now the plant needs more time to grow those roots again. My first choice would have been to cut the P-stem while leaving 2 or 3 functioning leaves if possible. If the new leaves grow fine, don't dig it up. Cutting the top off does not damage the growth significantly but digging it up will set you back more time.

trebor
07-09-2012, 05:50 PM
Digging up a plant should not be your first choice, a plant that size has feeer roots 15 feet or longer. Now the plant needs more time to grow those roots again. My first choice would have been to cut the P-stem while leaving 2 or 3 functioning leaves if possible. If the new leaves grow fine, don't dig it up. Cutting the top off does not damage the growth significantly but digging it up will set you back more time.

Yes digging it up took a lot of the time growth and I lost it ! I knew that as I stuck the shovel in the ground. But I am not in a hurry . I have two of those plants . Before I experience any real problems I would just as soon pull it and toss it .. . It should bloom next year and that is fine with me .. Thats if it even makes it to next year! But I do thank you for your post and you are correct..

Nicolas Naranja
07-09-2012, 06:13 PM
The calcium/boron issue seems to be pop up in certain varieties more than others. It also seems to happen every year once things start growing quickly (Early summer). I've got plants growing in calcareous muck soil that show signs. It does go away once you get a better root system established. I would also advise weekly foliar feeding.

trebor
07-10-2012, 06:30 AM
The calcium/boron issue seems to be pop up in certain varieties more than others. It also seems to happen every year once things start growing quickly (Early summer). I've got plants growing in calcareous muck soil that show signs. It does go away once you get a better root system established. I would also advise weekly foliar feeding.

Yes that's kinda what I thought in the beginning also Ca, and i see you include B.. I dug it up in case it was bugs .. Also it drooped another petiole , that brought the total drooping to 4 and it looked like more on the way. The sides of the petioles are wrinkled and lack color .. I only have 14 plants so I don't experience these problems like a professional grower does . I know from being it the reptile business 30 years if you have lots of anything you see more things occur . Your learning curve is greatly expanded .. Its funny because Ca is so important to every living thing and it seems one of those minerals that just gets over looked . In my Hydroponic garden I once had fertilizer with out any Ca .. Every thing grew but it sure looked terrible

trebor
08-16-2012, 07:52 AM
OMG! I seen what my problem is this morning!
RACCOON sitting on my plant.. He was up in my plant hanging on like a dummy...
I guess when he is in the larger ones they support his weight. But those smaller plants are just not strong enough for his "Musa Climbing Butt" Haaaa I have two traps set to capture him .. Dont worry is not a killer trap he will walk in to eat some bait and the door will slam behind him then he gets a ride to the Everglades :) where I will go fishing at the same time .. So in an odd way he is helping me slap my worm on the water

PR-Giants
08-16-2012, 08:10 AM
Please post a photo.