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david.
07-02-2012, 08:13 PM
Is this a flag leaf?
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/136ec4f9.jpg
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/90c5e9b1.jpg
Got some sugar apples coming soon
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/a77eae31.jpg
What is this variety
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/70bd9a9a.jpg
This is like a 8 foot papaya. Fruit almost ready.
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/16163739.jpg
This is my variegated eureka on my Mexican lime
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/f36a19a2.jpg
My apple is blooming???!!!
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/6d16fb10.jpg

Bananaman88
07-03-2012, 03:33 PM
I do not see a flag leaf on either of your first two photos.

The variety in question with the red blotches is Musa acuminata ssp. zebrina. I have also seen is listed as Musa sumatrana.

david.
07-03-2012, 04:19 PM
That reddish color leave on the big top pics is half the size of all of the rest of the leaves.

kaczercat
07-03-2012, 10:28 PM
there might be a flag leaf about to show since the most recent leaf is shorter and does have that red mid rib. hmm can only wait and see.

venturabananas
07-04-2012, 12:23 AM
If it is half the size of the others (hard to tell that from those photos), then it is probably the "signal leaf" and the next will be the flag leaf.

Yug
07-04-2012, 05:11 AM
Doesn't look like a 'flag' leaf, but it DOES look mature enough that it shouldn't take much longer. :08:

david.
07-04-2012, 08:52 AM
Doesn't look like a 'flag' leaf, but it DOES look mature enough that it shouldn't take much longer. :08:

It's about or around 10 feet easy.

RAINFOREZT
07-04-2012, 09:00 AM
If that leaf is much shorter than the previous leaves..I could be a signal leaf or pre flag leaf.

http://www.bananas.org/f2/pre-flag-leaf-15786.html

Bob3
07-04-2012, 10:45 AM
There are several good collections of pics on the topic of "flags", "small" "half" etc etc.
The red rib is typical of the "pre xxxx..." seen on some cultivars (but not all).

http://www.bananas.org/f2/flag-14393.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/my-first-flag-leaf-woo-hoo-11632.html

http://www.bananas.org/f2/small-one-before-flag-11581.html

:nanadrink:

david.
07-08-2012, 11:36 AM
Here is an uodate on the "pre flag leaf" . It has changed alittle heres an update .The banana referenced above is an unknown that I brought from my
grandpas house before he passed. I didnt get a chance to get the variety name for it. Can someone Id it.

http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/a3f50194.jpg
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/90c537a7.jpg
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/58ebc9a0.jpg
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/2c08bc0e.jpg
http://i790.photobucket.com/albums/yy190/Wangsmurf/556493ee.jpg

kaczercat
07-08-2012, 12:29 PM
Looks like a flower is on it's way up!

Madeline
07-09-2012, 08:31 AM
the third picture from the top that you are asking about is an Atemoya

Google (http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RNQN_enUS466#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=7&gs_id=q&xhr=t&q=atemoya&pf=p&rlz=1T4RNQN_enUS466&sclient=psy-ab&oq=antemoy&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=3469f4ad21ccc902&biw=1024&bih=470)

Called a Custard Apple, I have one, my other died in the freeze. Now it won't produce fruit because it can't be pollenated. They are very good.

robguz24
07-09-2012, 11:24 AM
the third picture from the top that you are asking about is an Atemoya

Google (http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RNQN_enUS466#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=7&gs_id=q&xhr=t&q=atemoya&pf=p&rlz=1T4RNQN_enUS466&sclient=psy-ab&oq=antemoy&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=3469f4ad21ccc902&biw=1024&bih=470)

Called a Custard Apple, I have one, my other died in the freeze. Now it won't produce fruit because it can't be pollenated. They are very good.

If you were depending on 2 to pollinate, you only need one. Mine wasn't fruiting, but flowering like crazy. I learned you can easily hand pollinate with a small paint brush. Just do it twice per day. I started doing that a few weeks ago and am now getting fruit for the first time!

david.
07-09-2012, 12:32 PM
If you were depending on 2 to pollinate, you only need one. Mine wasn't fruiting, but flowering like crazy. I learned you can easily hand pollinate with a small paint brush. Just do it twice per day. I started doing that a few weeks ago and am now getting fruit for the first time!

Can you expand on hiw to hand pollinate?
Thx

david.
07-09-2012, 12:34 PM
the third picture from the top that you are asking about is an Atemoya

Google (http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RNQN_enUS466#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=7&gs_id=q&xhr=t&q=atemoya&pf=p&rlz=1T4RNQN_enUS466&sclient=psy-ab&oq=antemoy&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=3469f4ad21ccc902&biw=1024&bih=470)

Called a Custard Apple, I have one, my other died in the freeze. Now it won't produce fruit because it can't be pollenated. They are very good.


I think this is a sugar apple not atemoya. If I remember correctly atemoya is a cherimoya-sugar apple cross? I can stand corrected though.

Madeline
07-09-2012, 12:56 PM
If you were depending on 2 to pollinate, you only need one. Mine wasn't fruiting, but flowering like crazy. I learned you can easily hand pollinate with a small paint brush. Just do it twice per day. I started doing that a few weeks ago and am now getting fruit for the first time!

I'm very interested in your reply. I can't get a picture of the flower. Is it the funny looking little brownish like leaves that lay on each other? It's about 4 years old, I grew them from seeds and hoped it would have fruit. Do I use the paint brush on top of the leaves of under or both. I would love to have some fruit to eat, and seeds to plant.

Madeline
07-09-2012, 05:37 PM
My tree's funny little browish leave don't look like any of these.

picture of custard apple flower - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4RNQN_enUS466&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fFr7T_zMIIOQ8wS-1MzpBg&ved=0CEcQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=470&q=picture%20of%20custard%20apple%20flower)

david.
07-09-2012, 05:43 PM
My tree's funny little browish leave don't look like any of these.

picture of custard apple flower - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4RNQN_enUS466&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fFr7T_zMIIOQ8wS-1MzpBg&ved=0CEcQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=470&q=picture%20of%20custard%20apple%20flower)


There is an excellent video on you tube on hand pollinating the cherimoya. Check it out it's awesome. Do you have a picture of the leaves on your tree and flowers?

robguz24
07-09-2012, 06:36 PM
From the picture it does look more like a sugar apple to me, and if you planted an atemoya seed they aren't supposed to be true to type, which is why they are usually grafted. The one I have is double grafted-sugar apple rootstock, then cherimoya, then atemoya. Apparently there can be some degree of self pollination in humid environments.
I found this on pollinating. How To: Cherimoya Pollination - Tropicals Forum - GardenWeb (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropical/msg0701052322783.html) I wasn't this thorough and what I'm doing works to some degree. I just try to remember to do so twice per day and force open flowers that seem larger in the morning if they aren't open yet. Don't know if that makes a difference though.

Bob3
07-09-2012, 08:03 PM
Some reading material on the various Annona varieties:
CHERIMOYA Fruit Facts (http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/cherimoya.html)

The flowers change sex so they go from male to female, gotta collect & save some of its pollen to catch the blossom after it turns.

If we had the "right" kind of bugs here in the US we wouldn't have to mess with kinky blossoms!

Madeline
07-10-2012, 09:43 AM
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc443/Markham1/895defd5.jpg

I had to use photobucket because I couldn't figure out Gallery

these leaves are all i see except, now that I have been looking, on the end of a small branch is a little white thing happening.

david.
07-22-2012, 02:40 PM
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc443/Markham1/895defd5.jpg

I had to use photobucket because I couldn't figure out Gallery

these leaves are all i see except, now that I have been looking, on the end of a small branch is a little white thing happening.


That is just new leaves. The flowers show up in between already grown leaves. But the picture is really small though.

Madeline
08-01-2012, 03:41 PM
I know...usually I have too large pictures.
I see something that looks like an elongated accorn. Is that the flower?

david.
08-01-2012, 04:00 PM
I know...usually I have too large pictures.
I see something that looks like an elongated accorn. Is that the flower?

Can you get a better pic ? I also started hand pollinating it and wow it is working. Lots and lots of fruit.

Madeline
08-01-2012, 04:05 PM
Is this a flower? If this is a flower, where do I pollenate it?

<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49918&ppuser=13802><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49918&size=1 border=0></a>

david.
08-01-2012, 05:22 PM
Is this a flower? If this is a flower, where do I pollenate it?

<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49918&ppuser=13802><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49918&size=1 border=0></a>


That sure is a flower. Do you have others opening ? Try this video out in helped me out a lot.
Cherimoya Hand Pollination - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTaBVR-YrQc&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Madeline
08-02-2012, 07:57 AM
That's the only one I can find.
Since in live in Florida near Tampa, it sounds like I don't have to do pollenation. But if I get other flowers, I will.
Thanks a lot for the video, I appreciate it.

david.
08-02-2012, 08:00 AM
That's the only one I can find.
Since in live in Florida near Tampa, it sounds like I don't have to do pollenation. But if I get other flowers, I will.
Thanks a lot for the video, I appreciate it.

I don't have these pollinating bugs and I don't know why ;(

Bob3
08-02-2012, 01:02 PM
I don't have these pollinating bugs and I don't know why ;(
You're not in the South American highlands! ;)