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JuniPerez
06-14-2012, 08:03 PM
Hello all... I just recently bought a 3 gallon corm from Ty Ty that is supposed to be a basjoo. I have never seen a basjoo emerge with red outlines. Too small for me to see if the petioles are winged, but my other basjoos that have sprouted do not have this red outline along the edge of the leaf. Can anyone confirm if they've seen basjoo's like this? I've only had basjoos that I got from Hardy Tropicals years ago and like I said, never seen the red edges.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49319&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49319)

Ramanon
06-14-2012, 10:57 PM
Maybe, I know Tytyga.com is a website to avoid. They harassed gardenwatchdog.com to remove all reviews, which is never a good thing, and yes I know people abuse ratings and such.

I have bought from tytyga.com and was not happy.

venturabananas
06-14-2012, 11:16 PM
Juni, you've been on this website long enough to know better than to order from them! :ha:

JuniPerez
06-15-2012, 07:00 AM
Lol... I know... but something tunneled into and ate a couple of my corms overwinter, so I wanted to replace with a nice-sized corm instead of waiting for pups to start coming off the other plants... so I ordered a couple 3-gal corms from them (everyone else had starters and TC's... didn't want that). I guess I'll have to wait for it to get bigger and see what it is. If not basjoo, I'll have to trade for one since I'm not digging up corms for winter. "(

venturabananas
06-15-2012, 09:28 AM
Well, hopefully it will turn out to basjoo and you'll be happy. It may just be a fun experiment and you might have a nice big banana plant by the end of summer that isn't basjoo. That wouldn't be so bad.

Snookie
06-15-2012, 10:50 AM
Juni, you've been on this website long enough to know better than to order from them! :ha:

To my knowledge, I have nO KNOWLEDGE of what type/name of nanna plants I have planted...lol

Every place I have purchased from local and on line I am being told sold me or I bought something else:}

Kinda like waiting for the results of a paternity test out here in Lizard Creek you know you had some just don't know how much and how it's going to turn out.

Nanna planting is alot like....Uh never mind :}:waving:

john_ny
06-15-2012, 12:36 PM
I looked at my Basjoos today. The pups on some that I overwintered outside, wrapped and protected, have red midribs. Some larger ones, that I overwintered dry, in a cool room, do not have the red midribs, and none have red edges. (BTW, these are all pups from the same tray of AgriStarts TCs, that I got a few years ago.)

caliboy1994
06-15-2012, 06:01 PM
I'll make a wild guess. Dwarf Namwah.

Yug
06-15-2012, 08:36 PM
To my knowledge, I have nO KNOWLEDGE of what type/name of nanna plants I have planted...lol

Every place I have purchased from local and on line I am being told sold me or I bought something else:}

Kinda like waiting for the results of a paternity test out here in Lizard Creek you know you had some just don't know how much and how it's going to turn out.

Nanna planting is alot like....Uh never mind :}:waving:

When it gets bigger, and starts to bloom, take some photos. Later as the fruit develops, more photos. One think to take note of is after the bloom is not making any more fruit, when the end part of the bud is about 1 to 1 1/2 ft below the fruit, take another photo. Also, note how high the pseudo-stem is - that would be the main trunk, not counting the leaves. All those things will be important in deciding what sort you may be growing. What is really important, though, is if you are happy with the plant and the fruit, what type it is doesn't matter. :08:

Darkman
06-16-2012, 07:07 PM
Ordering from there you're lucky you got a Banana!

RobG7aChattTN
06-17-2012, 01:42 PM
Please, please, please...don't buy from Tyty. I'm sure someone on this site has basjoo out the ying-yang for a good price.

JuniPerez
06-30-2012, 11:44 PM
Anyone else care to take a jab at it? From what I see in their catalogs, they sell Dwarf Brazilian, Dwarf Cavendish, Carolina King, Mysore, Nam wah, Grand Nain, Golden Rhino, Rajapuri, and Texas Star...

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49526&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49526)

The red blotches and the red outline on the leaves are what worry me. Any of the above mentioned will not survive here like the basjoo would.

caliboy1994
07-01-2012, 01:28 AM
Looks most like a Namwah to me.

venturabananas
07-01-2012, 10:57 AM
I agree that the leaf shape looks like Dwarf Namwah, but it would be very unusual for that variety to have the red blotches on the leaf that this plant has. The leaf shape certainly suggests some dwarf type, but on small plants like this, leaf shape can be misleading. In short, I don't know. And I wouldn't limit your choices to the varieties they claim they have.

Post a picture of the petiole (leaf canal), that might help narrow things down.

Snookie
07-01-2012, 11:24 AM
Naw!!!!!! Can't Be lol!

Heck every banana plant I have bought or ordered seems to be something other then advertised.....

Kinda like ....

A suprise always awaits you..

Alot like women, seem to be something different when they grow out a little:}

Abnshrek
07-01-2012, 12:06 PM
I looked thru all my picture and I think it looks most like a D. Namwah :^)

JuniPerez
07-01-2012, 06:47 PM
Post a picture of the petiole (leaf canal), that might help narrow things down.

Okay, here are closeups of the stem and petiole:

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49544&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49544&ppuser=5851) http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49542&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49542&ppuser=5851) http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49540&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49540&ppuser=5851) http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49538&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49538&ppuser=5851)

venturabananas
07-01-2012, 08:47 PM
Definitely not Namwah, which has closed petiole canals. The open petiole canal with spreading "wings" combined with the very short petioles and some faint wine stains makes something like Dwarf Cavendish most likely, given the source. But it is still a very small plant, so it is a bit hard to be sure at this point.

Abnshrek
07-01-2012, 10:08 PM
I don't think its a DC since it doesn't have any red in the P-stem.. It might be a texas star. Is it just one plant? If it didn't have red blotches I'd think it was a D. Orinoco.. :^)

venturabananas
07-02-2012, 12:53 AM
I don't think its a DC since it doesn't have any red in the P-stem.. It might be a texas star. Is it just one plant? If it didn't have red blotches I'd think it was a D. Orinoco.. :^)

Definitely not D. Orinoco, with open petiole canals with wings (DO has a closed canal with no wings).

JuniPerez
09-25-2012, 10:26 AM
Okay, it's the end of summer. I was hoping there would be plenty of growth from this fella (considering the corm was supposedly a "3 gallon mother")… but, as you can see, it only grew a couple feet this entire season. I chopped the bottom leaves off right before I took the pictures. Behind it is the Mekong Giant I bought not long ago (and it's outgrown this mystery 'nanner already). Still no idea what they sold me.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=50676&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=50676)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=50677&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=50677)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=50675&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=50675)

venturabananas
09-25-2012, 10:42 AM
It's still not obvious what it is. I'm afraid this one is likely to be one that can't be identified until it blooms.

JuniPerez
09-25-2012, 10:46 AM
I think a bloom in Rochester is not going to happen. Lol. At least it's been narrowed down to a couple of possibilities. The best thing for me to do is dig it up and put it up for trade. The problem is, someone who would be interested in a banana like this (IF they'd be interested in an unknown specie) will likely not have a cold hardy one to trade for.

sandy0225
09-25-2012, 12:19 PM
what were you trying to order or what did they say it was? at least maybe someone can help determine if you have a chance of having what you ordered. It's not basjoo, mekong giant, bordelon, zebrina, or any ensete for sure. It doesn't look like any kind of cavendish type either to me. No blotches on any smaller leaves. Were there blotches on the leaves when they first came out? the younger leaves....Also not chinese yellow...not ae ae...lol...

JuniPerez
09-25-2012, 12:42 PM
Hi Sandy.

The younger leaves (shown on the first page of this thread here (http://www.bananas.org/f12/did-ty-ty-send-me-wrong-15952.html#post199234)) had a few very faint blotches close to the petiole early on.

What I ordered was supposed to be "3-gal mother corm Musa Basjoo". I got suspicious as soon as I saw the corms they sent. They were shaped like large yams with a small stub where the stem should grow. To me, all the basjoo corms I've ever dug up or seen have never been like that, and on a "3 gallon corm" the stem would've definitely been larger in diameter for a basjoo.

Not much growth either. In fact, the Mekong Giant I bought from your store has grown about 2 feet taller than this and it was planted about a foot deeper almost 2 months after it.

caliboy1994
09-25-2012, 12:49 PM
The petioles look like those of Goldfinger.

sandy0225
09-25-2012, 01:29 PM
Definitely not basjoo. Not hardy, be sure to dig it up soon. I looked at the other picture, it is not cavendish type, that isn't what I meant by blotches. The cavendish type blotches are more like big freckles on the leaves, not that pink color near the petiole...
so it's not dc or double mahoi, or Williams or gran nain. Looks like something from the ladyfinger, ice cream, Namwah, type group. Sorry I don't know much about those, just can tell the differences between cavendish and other types from having grown them for years. The size indicates maybe its a dwarf something or other, which might be good since youre going to have to bring it in.

JuniPerez
09-25-2012, 01:42 PM
You've helped more than enough by eliminating what it's not, Sandy. Thanks... Thanks Cali.

sandy0225
09-25-2012, 01:46 PM
We will have real basjoo in the spring...get in touch then and we will hook you up with a real one....

Abnshrek
09-25-2012, 01:46 PM
I think Goldfingers grow much faster than the banana in Q? maybe its a Zan moreno? :^)