View Full Version : Do YOU suffer from Alcoholism ???
The Hollyberry Lady
11-24-2011, 07:10 PM
A Widespread Problem
For most people, alcohol is a pleasant accompaniment to social activities. Moderate alcohol use--up to two drinks per day for men and one drink per day for women and older people (A standard drink is one 12-ounce bottle of beer or wine cooler, one 5-ounce glass of wine, or 1.5 ounces of 80-proof distilled spirits) -- is not harmful for most adults. Nonetheless, a substantial number of people have serious trouble with their drinking.
Currently, nearly 14 million Americans--1 in every 13 adults--abuse alcohol or are alcoholic. Several million more adults engage in risky drinking patterns that could lead to alcohol problems. In addition, approximately 53 percent of men and women in the United States report that one or more of their close relatives have a drinking problem.
The consequences of alcohol misuse are serious--in many cases, life-threatening. Heavy drinking can increase the risk for certain cancers, especially those of the liver, esophagus, throat, and larynx (voice box). It can also cause liver cirrhosis, immune system problems, brain damage, and harm to the fetus during pregnancy. In addition, drinking increases the risk of death from automobile crashes, recreational accidents, and on-the-job accidents and also increases the likelihood of homicide and suicide. In purely economic terms, alcohol-use problems cost society approximately $100 billion per year. In human terms, the costs are incalculable.
What Is Alcoholism?
Alcoholism, which is also known as "alcohol dependence syndrome," is a disease that is characterized by the following elements:
Craving: A strong need, or compulsion, to drink.
Loss of control: The frequent inability to stop drinking once a person has begun.
Physical dependence: The occurrence of withdrawal symptoms, such as nausea, sweating, shakiness, and anxiety, when alcohol use is stopped after a period of heavy drinking. These symptoms are usually relieved by drinking alcohol or by taking another sedative drug.
Tolerance: The need for increasing amounts of alcohol in order to get "high."
Alcoholism has little to do with what kind of alcohol one drinks, how long one has been drinking, or even exactly how much alcohol one consumes. But it has a great deal to do with a person's uncontrollable need for alcohol. This description of alcoholism helps us understand why most alcoholics can't just "use a little willpower" to stop drinking. He or she is frequently in the grip of a powerful craving for alcohol, a need that can feel as strong as the need for food or water. While some people are able to recover without help, the majority of alcoholic individuals need outside assistance to recover from their disease. With support and treatment, many individuals are able to stop drinking and rebuild their lives.
Many people wonder: Why can some individuals use alcohol without problems, while others are utterly unable to control their drinking? Recent research supported by NIAAA has demonstrated that for many people, a vulnerability to alcoholism is inherited. Yet it is important to recognize that aspects of a person's environment, such as peer influences and the availability of alcohol, also are significant influences. Both inherited and environmental influences are called "risk factors." But risk is not destiny. Just because alcoholism tends to run in families doesn't mean that a child of an alcoholic parent will automatically develop alcoholism.
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Alcoholism is a family disease and everyone who knows the alcoholic is negatively affected. For people who are married to or who are friends with an alcoholic, there is Al-Anon...
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Many people understand the embarrassment and shame that come from the alcoholic's actions and words. There is also a great book called "Games Alcoholic's Play" that can be quite useful in making sense from the craziness. Families and friends shouldn't have to keep suffering.
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Jack Daw
11-24-2011, 07:26 PM
No.
The Hollyberry Lady
11-24-2011, 07:50 PM
You might not Jack, but sadly many alcoholics are in denial and don't even admit their problem.
One in every 13th person is an alcoholic! :eek:
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SteveW17
11-24-2011, 09:54 PM
NO, but it is obvious this disease has had a profound affect on your life, and I am sorry for that...but I'd say the post is "off topic." What the hell does this have to do with banana culture??
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The Hollyberry Lady
11-24-2011, 10:01 PM
I rarely drink so your diagnosis is incorrect.
It's a social and family disease and information about it should be welcome anywhere.
Furthermore, there are lots of threads here that have nothing to do with bananas...odd you should just pick on this thread. Speaks for itself.
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harveyc
11-25-2011, 01:06 AM
Fortunately, it's not a problem for me or anyone in my immediate family. My dad had many friends who had the problem and I saw or heard about how it affected their lives. I also used to work with some alcoholics and know of a few people who seem to have the problem.
These days I usually end up getting a headache before I come close to becoming drunk so my drinking is pretty limited. I'm on a streak of one drink yesterday and another today and I'll probably be dry for a day or two or three. Actually, I'm going to do some hard physical work tomorrow and I'll probably have a glass of pomegranate wine (Joe Real made it with some of my harvest from last year) to help me relax a little after working all day up on the rafters of my pole barn.
I met a distant relative a few years ago who immigrated from Madeira, Portugal. He told me how he would have a glass of brandy in the morning and a couple of beers when he got home and then a couple of glasses of homemade wine. He said he "didn't drink much". I'm not convinced he was an alcoholic, actually, as he seemed to be quite physical and work it off. He explained how in Madeira neighbors would gather together and dig up sweet potatoes (not what we call sweet potatoes here in the U.S.) and they would put a large bottle of wine a ways down the row and all have a drink when they got to that point and move it down the row for the next break. I doubt they were ever under the influence of alcohol as they were working it off as they went. They did a tremendous amount of physical work, all bare-footed. They had pasture many miles away and would go there for several days at a time to cut hay for their cows and would carry the hay home on their backs. One of my father's cousins there in Madeira was married to an alcoholic who didn't do much work and died when he fell off a cliff. I think the difference was the body using it as a source of energy or letting it have physical affects on the body. I'm no expert in the area but that's an idea I've got on the matter.
Oh, let's not let a long message go to waste by not getting all of my thoughts out (as if it were possible!). As a youth, it was a tradition that my father's family and the hired farm workers would drink homemade wine with "supper" (lunch) but my father would not drink it because he did not like it. His father often warned him that he would become an alcoholic later in life since he was not learning to drink alcohol properly. Maybe it was the challenge to my father, but he rarely ever drank.
Worm_Farmer
11-25-2011, 11:00 AM
No, I'm not suffering what so ever.
I thought a glass of wine a day keeps the doctor away.
Richard
11-25-2011, 12:14 PM
An inebriated public is more gullible and hence for some businesses and politicians are better customers.
Jack Daw
11-25-2011, 12:38 PM
You might not Jack, but sadly many alcoholics are in denial and don't even admit their problem.
One in every 13th person is an alcoholic! :eek:
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1 in 9th here and I don't see it that tragically... Better chances for us non-alcoholics, who know our limits. :08:
Richard
11-25-2011, 01:46 PM
1 in 9th here and I don't see it that tragically... Better chances for us non-alcoholics, who know our limits. :08:
I agree Jack. In an over-populated world, the sober will fare much better than those who run on heavy fuel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iCTt2ZfcAM).
"Heavy Fuel", Mark Knopfler / Dire Straits
Last time I was sober, man I felt bad
Worst hangover that I ever had
It took six hamburgers and scotch all night
Nicotine for breakfast just to put me right
'Cause if you wanna run cool
If you wanna run cool
If you wanna run cool
You got to run on heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
My life makes perfect sense
Lust and food and violence
Sex and money are my major kicks
Get me in a fight, I like the dirty tricks
'Cause if you wanna run cool
If you wanna run cool
If you wanna run cool
You got to run on heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
My chick loves a man who's strong
The things she'll do to turn me on
I love the babes, don't get we wrong
Hey, that's why I wrote this song
I don't care if my liver is hanging by a thread
Don't care if my doctor says I ought to be dead
When my ugly big car won't climb this hill
I'll write a suicide note on a hundred dollar bill
'Cause if you wanna run cool
If you wanna run cool
Yes if you wanna run cool
You got to run on heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
A heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
Heavy, heavy fuel
The Hollyberry Lady
11-25-2011, 02:01 PM
20 Questions
1. Do you lose time from work due to your drinking?
2. Is drinking making your home life unhappy?
3. Do you drink because you are shy with other people?
4. Is drinking affecting your reputation?
5. Have you ever felt remorse after drinking?
6. Have you gotten into financial difficulties as a result of your drinking?
7. Do you turn to lower companions and an inferior environment when drinking?
8. Does your drinking make you careless of your family's welfare?
9. Has your ambition decreased since drinking?
10. Do you crave a drink at a definite time daily?
11. Do you want a drink the next morning?
12. Does drinking cause you to have difficulty in sleeping?
13. Has your efficiency decreased since drinking?
14. Is drinking jeopardizing your job or business?
15. Do you drink to escape from worries or troubles?
16. Do you drink alone?
17. Have you ever had a complete loss of memory as a result of your drinking?
18. Has your physician ever treated you for drinking?
19. Do you drink to build up your self-confidence?
20. Have you ever been in a hospital or institution on account of drinking?
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If you have answered YES to any one of the questions, there is a definite warning that you may be an alcoholic.
If you have answered YES to any two, the chances are that you are an alcoholic.
If you have answered YES to three or more, you are definitely an alcoholic.
More info soon...
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harveyc
11-25-2011, 03:20 PM
HBL, I don't agree with the scoring. I can definitely answer yes to #5 (though not for over 20 years) and yes to #16. If I had several drinks alone quite frequently, I'd agree with #16 being a big indicator. If I decide to have one drink by myself once in a while (once or twice a month), I don't believe that is any sort of indication whatsoever. What about someone who is single? I guess they could only be permitted to go out to a bar to have a drink or find some friend to invite over.
saltydad
11-25-2011, 04:59 PM
I think a discussion on this topic is a good addition to the 'other topics' area. I drink so little as to be laughable. In summer I may have a beer a week, less the rest of the year. I like vodka gimlets on the rocks, and love 12 year old Jameson. But I'll have one maybe once a month. A friend gave me a bottle of Tullamore Dew, and I have only had one glass. I guess I'm a terrible Irishman. Wine gives me headaches, so while I like it, I tend to stay away for wine. I did am externship in nursing school with some AA groups, so I can really see the need for education in this area, especially at this time of the year. Good on you, HBL.
The Hollyberry Lady
11-25-2011, 08:45 PM
Yes Howard, I have studied the topic extensively in my psychology courses and know much about it. Education and awareness are key to helping people understand the seriousness and fatalness of this disease. It destroys lives and rips families apart. :(
The biggest symptom of alcoholism is denial...i.e...elephant in the living room syndrome. The problem is there, but nobody talks about it. Just because no one addresses or discusses the issue though doesn't mean the problem has went away. It gets worse and never better.
There is help available and you are not alone. Families and friends of alcoholics should remember the four C's...I didn't Cause it, I can't Control it, I can't Cure it, but I can learn to Cope.
The surest way to drive an alcoholic deeper into drink, is well meant but ill-advised attempts to stop them. You need to save yourself...you can't save anyone else. That's their job. The best tool in dealing with an alcoholic is emotional and sometimes even physical detachment.
Adult children of alcoholics grew up following four rules in the alcoholic home..."Don't Talk, Don't Trust, Don't feel, and Don't wash the family's linens in public". Adult children of alcoholic's grow up to become an alcoholic, marry an alcoholic...or both. As adults, they keep trying to re-create in the present, what happened to them as children.
Adults who grew up with an alcoholic parent can attend a group called "Adult Children of Alcoholics" and find comfort and understanding with others who also grow up in and alcoholic home...
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There is also a 12-step self-help program for teens, called Ala-teen. It's a group for teenagers who are growing up in alcoholic homes. Their motto is "We don't have it all together, but together we have it all". Teens can share their experience, strength, and hope, in a safe and caring environment. What is heard there, stays there...
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harveyc
11-25-2011, 09:26 PM
So, you think I'm in denial, eh? Maybe 50 drinks a year for me, maybe slightly more than Howard. I really like a cold beer once in a while but a six pack will last me 3 months. Chocolate malts are what have really got me hooked but I control that pretty well also.
I do recognize alcoholism as a very serious problem in society. I think there were some tongue in cheek comments about it benefiting others but I think it costs all of society dearly.
My biggest regret in drinking too much is when I had gone with a co-worker to visit his uncle when on assignment out of town. I only found out after we were ready to leave that my friend expected me to drive us home!!! :eek:
The Hollyberry Lady
11-25-2011, 09:35 PM
It's not my place, nor right, to judge or label someone as an alcoholic. I did not start this thread for any purpose other than to give some information. It is not in any way personal. ;)
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harveyc
11-25-2011, 09:41 PM
Just teasing, but I'd feel a lot better if you bought me that nice LED grow light for Christmas! LOL
harveyc
11-25-2011, 09:46 PM
What is sort of funny (in a sad but fortunate sort of way), I had a relative who had a serious problem with meth but one day out of the blue decided to drink and got drunk and was involved in a non-injury hit and run accident (well, he did get injured when the cops tackled him as he tried to run away). He was convicted and required to go through an AA program. He chuckled about it later and said it would have been more effective if they made him go through NA but it did seem to help him with his problems and he's "clean" today, I believe. Sort of seems strange that they would require participation in an AA program when there was really no evidence of alcoholism. I guess they did what they thought was best for his apparent drinking problem.
The Hollyberry Lady
11-25-2011, 10:06 PM
They obviously didn't know about your relative's meth problem but they knew he had some kind of substance problem. They were at least on the right track and did the best they could with the information they had.
It's like the old saying goes though..."You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink".
Some people are cross-addicted...to both alcohol and drugs. These people usually attend both A.A. (Alcoholic's Anonymous) and N.A. (Narcotic's Anonymous) meetings.
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The Hollyberry Lady
11-25-2011, 10:51 PM
Has Your Life Been Affected by Someone Else's Drinking?
Alateen is for young people whose lives have been affected by someone else’s drinking. Sometimes the active drinking has stopped, or the active drinker may not live with you anymore. Even though the alcohol may be gone, and the alcoholic gone or recovering in AA, we are still affected. Many have received help from Alateen or Al-Anon. The following 20 questions are to help you decide whether or not Alateen is for you.
1. Do you believe no one could possibly understand how you feel?
2. Do you cover up your real feelings by pretending you don’t care?
3. Do you feel neglected, uncared for, or unloved?
4. Do you tell lies to cover up for someone else’s drinking or what’s happening in your home?
5. Do you stay out of the house as much as possible because you hate it there?
6. Are you afraid or embarrassed to bring your friends home?
7. Has someone’s drinking upset you?
8. Are mealtimes, birthdays, and holidays spoiled because of drinking or others’ reactions to the drinking?
9. Are you afraid to speak up for fear the drinking or fighting will start again?
10. Do you think the drinker’s behavior is caused by you, other members of your family, friends, or rotten breaks in life?
11. Do you make threats such as, “If you don’t stop drinking and fighting, I’ll run away?”
12. Do you make promises about behavior, such as I’ll “get better grades,” or “keep my room clean,” or “do anything you want,” in exchange for a promise that the drinking and fighting will stop?
13. Do you feel that if the drinker loved you, she or he would stop drinking?
14. Do you ever threaten or actually hurt yourself to scare the drinker into saying, “I’m sorry,” or “I love you”?
15. Do you or your family have money problems because of someone else’s drinking?
16. Are you scared to ride in a car with the drinker?
17. Have you considered calling the police because of abusive behavior?
18. Do you avoid dating or having close friends because they may find out about the drinking or fighting?
19. Do you think your problems would be solved if the drinking stopped?
20. Do you ever treat teachers, friends, teammates, etc. unfairly because you are angry about someone else’s drinking?
If you have answered "Yes" to any of these questions, Alateen may help you. Contact Alateen in your community.
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jeffreyp
11-26-2011, 04:12 AM
I don't think this should be listed in a banana forum.
found a good recipe for banana wine here:
How to Make Banana Wine | eHow.com (http://www.ehow.com/how_2123156_make-banana-wine.html)
harveyc
11-26-2011, 03:00 PM
Seems okay to have either in this social announcement subforum or the tiki hut. It's not like it's in a cultural growing section of the forum where folks go to read about growing bananas.
orinoko
11-26-2011, 04:11 PM
Perhaps HollyBL has no flowers to chat about..:ha::ha::ha:
The Hollyberry Lady
11-26-2011, 04:54 PM
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jeffreyp
11-27-2011, 10:32 AM
spare me...just spare me...
Chelsea Handler - Alcoholics Anonymous - Video Clip | Comedy Centrals Jokes.com (http://comedians.jokes.com/chelsea-handler/videos/chelsea-handler---alcoholics-anonymous)
The Hollyberry Lady
11-27-2011, 01:45 PM
How can I tell if someone I love is an alcoholic?
Recognizing whether or not your spouse is an alcoholic is a difficult thing to do. Not only do you need to consider their drinking habits but also how your own life has been affected and how you deal with your spouse's drinking. The role of codependent is a big one and even though you may not be buying alcohol for your mate, your behaviors may be affecting the entire family dynamic.
One misconception about alcoholism is that someone needs to be consuming large quantities of alcohol to be considered an alcoholic. Someone who drinks only on weekends can be every bit as much of an alcoholic as someone who drinks on weekdays. It is more important to look at drinking patterns and reasons for drinking.
Someone who is clearly drinking to relieve stress is to be considered a potential alcoholic. While some people may think it is fine to have a few beers after work and blow off some steam, it can also be a sign that your spouse is unable to effectively deal with job difficulties and needs the outlet of drinking to diffuse the situation.
The same goes for someone who heads to the bar after a fight with their spouse. This can also become a pattern, a form of escaping reality.
Alcoholics also tend to have certain personality traits. They tend to blame others for things that go wrong. Responsibility becomes something they do not want to accept and would rather put on other people. For a marriage in trouble, it is often the alcoholic who accuses the other for something gone wrong rather than accept their drinking might be the real heart of the issue.
Look at your own involvement in drinking as well. Even if you don't buy the alcohol, do you determine when, where and how often your spouse drinks? This may seem like an effective way to control the situation but the drinkers need to control it themselves. Because once the source of restriction is gone, the freedom to drink at will returns and nothing has been solved.
The lack of accepting responsibility for one's own actions couples with the lack of responsibility either on the job or in family life. An alcoholic often ignores their family or tasks that need to be done at home. It is usually the other spouse who picks up the load to accommodate the alcoholic's dysfunctional behavior. Look at where your spouse isn't helping out and the reasons for it. Consistently letting family or home life responsibilities go can also be a sign that your spouse is struggling with a drinking problem.
While there is no easy answer when considering your spouse's drinking problem, looking at the whole picture rather than just the amount of alcohol being consumed will make the situation easier to sort out.
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Jack Daw
11-27-2011, 06:26 PM
VIDEO
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Holly, the lady in your video is so hot, I couldn't focus on what she was saying. Next time,... please, no hot chicks in the informative videos. :P
How can I tell if someone I love is an alcoholic?
What about this one:
How can I tell someone I love that I'm an alcoholic? :08:
The Hollyberry Lady
11-28-2011, 07:33 PM
Alcoholism leads to insanity, institutions, or death.
When a newcomer goes to an A.A. meeting, they're usually told to read the big book, go to 90 meetings in 90 days, follow the 12 steps and get a sponsor.
The 12 Steps
1: We admitted we were powerless over alcohol--that our lives had become unmanageable.
2: Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3: Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4: Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5: Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6: Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7: Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8: Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9: Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10: Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11: Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12: Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
A.A. consists of recovering alcoholics helping active alcoholics to get sober. It's a physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual program.
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jeffreyp
11-28-2011, 11:11 PM
Ernie & bert on Family Guy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvUn26ADZG4&sns=em)
Darkman
11-29-2011, 10:13 PM
NO, but it is obvious this disease has had a profound affect on your life, and I am sorry for that...but I'd say the post is "off topic." What the hell does this have to do with banana culture??
:nanadrink:
Since this in the "Other Topics" sub forum I find it perfectly appropriate.
Alcohol is eliminated from the body at a set rate that is not affected by physical activity. I think the elimination rate is .015 per hour. and .08 is legally drunk in most places.
The absorption of alcohol into the body can be affected by the volume of food in the stomach.
Alcohol is one of the few substances that can be directly absorbed into the body without any processing by us.
I drink mostly alone although it is infrequent that I drink.
My drinking is often accompanied by loud music and/or a fire.
When I drink it is mostly Southern Comfort or Jim Beam on the rocks and anywhere from 8 to 12 ounces. This usually occurs about once every two months or so and only occurs at my residence. I drink alone by choice and not because I have some morbid dark side. If someone happens by and wishes to drink with me that is fine and we have a good time. I find that I do most of my creative thinking and solve some dilemmas when I am drinking. I DO NOT solve or attempt to solve problems that are important when drinking. I do enjoy the release of my drinking and I do not see that as a problem. If you do not enjoy the effects of drinking alcohol why else do you drink?
I work with many alcoholics and substance abusers. I have seen many lives destroyed by both. The saddest part is the alcoholic or abuser doesn’t go down alone they usually tale others with them. They are the true victims.
I do not believe alcoholism is a disease. It is a choice.
My apologies to the offended as I tend to be a bit blunt sometimes.
cherokee_greg
11-30-2011, 03:46 PM
I am a recovered alcoholic. I know in AA they say you never are recovered. I lost count of the years of sobriety I have from alcohol.It dose not even bother me any more to be around it. Its in my past now. But I know if I drank it would be a problem in my life. I donot know how to just drink one. I drink to get drunk and I did it to were it became a problem. I knew It was out of control.
I just recently started using cannabis . People kept telling me to try it The last time I did chemo my niese and her boyfriend made me some weed brownies. I ate two which now I know is to much the second day I ate one it made me cope with the chemo fine.I can actually live a normal life with the canabis. I should have started using it from the begining. My Dr thinks its great.In fact he told me right before thanksgiving to eat two brownies and load up on the turkey and have a great thanksgiving.Im sorry I got of the subject.If I could drink I would. There was a time before it got out of hand I loved it.
Since this in the "Other Topics" sub forum I find it perfectly appropriate.
Alcohol is eliminated from the body at a set rate that is not affected by physical activity. I think the elimination rate is .015 per hour. and .08 is legally drunk in most places.
The absorption of alcohol into the body can be affected by the volume of food in the stomach.
Alcohol is one of the few substances that can be directly absorbed into the body without any processing by us.
I drink mostly alone although it is infrequent that I drink.
My drinking is often accompanied by loud music and/or a fire.
When I drink it is mostly Southern Comfort or Jim Beam on the rocks and anywhere from 8 to 12 ounces. This usually occurs about once every two months or so and only occurs at my residence. I drink alone by choice and not because I have some morbid dark side. If someone happens by and wishes to drink with me that is fine and we have a good time. I find that I do most of my creative thinking and solve some dilemmas when I am drinking. I DO NOT solve or attempt to solve problems that are important when drinking. I do enjoy the release of my drinking and I do not see that as a problem. If you do not enjoy the effects of drinking alcohol why else do you drink?
I work with many alcoholics and substance abusers. I have seen many lives destroyed by both. The saddest part is the alcoholic or abuser doesn’t go down alone they usually tale others with them. They are the true victims.
I do not believe alcoholism is a disease. It is a choice.
My apologies to the offended as I tend to be a bit blunt sometimes.
Darkman
11-30-2011, 04:58 PM
I am a recovered alcoholic. I know in AA they say you never are recovered. I lost count of the years of sobriety I have from alcohol.It dose not even bother me any more to be around it. Its in my past now. But I know if I drank it would be a problem in my life. I donot know how to just drink one. I drink to get drunk and I did it to were it became a problem. I knew It was out of control.
I just recently started using cannabis . People kept telling me to try it The last time I did chemo my niese and her boyfriend made me some weed brownies. I ate two which now I know is to much the second day I ate one it made me cope with the chemo fine.I can actually live a normal life with the canabis. I should have started using it from the begining. My Dr thinks its great.In fact he told me right before thanksgiving to eat two brownies and load up on the turkey and have a great thanksgiving.Im sorry I got of the subject.If I could drink I would. There was a time before it got out of hand I loved it.
Greg,
You are to be commended for the choices you have made. You recognized a problem, attacked it and over come it. It takes a strong individual to have the character, backbone and commitment to win. You are a winner.
I hope that in your current situation you can find the comfort you need in your use of cannabis. I'm glad that you are able to use it where you live. Not many areas allow it. Some may be surprised that I take this attitude but they should remember that many drugs that are used illicitly are prescribed by Doctors on a daily basis for medicinal purposes. If a Dr. says his patient can benefit from a drug who am I to question it.
Good luck and God bless!
cherokee_greg
11-30-2011, 05:19 PM
Thanks for your words. I was kinda shocked I shared that with you all. But than again I feel you all are like family to me. You guys bring me up when times I need it the most. I dont feel judged here with you all. I never understood before what the cannabis could do for me untill I tried it what a diffreance ! Thanks for your words.
Greg
Greg,
You are to be commended for the choices you have made. You recognized a problem, attacked it and over come it. It takes a strong individual to have the character, backbone and commitment to win. You are a winner.
I hope that in your current situation you can find the comfort you need in your use of cannabis. I'm glad that you are able to use it where you live. Not many areas allow it. Some may be surprised that I take this attitude but they should remember that many drugs that are used illicitly are prescribed by Doctors on a daily basis for medicinal purposes. If a Dr. says his patient can benefit from a drug who am I to question it.
Good luck and God bless!
Richard
11-30-2011, 06:20 PM
I've been a member of M.A.D.D. since 1988.
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Darkman
11-30-2011, 09:18 PM
Richard,
You Sir, have a wry since of humor!
The Hollyberry Lady
12-01-2011, 10:03 AM
Al-Alnon...is it for you?
Millions of people are affected by the excessive drinking of someone close. The following 20 questions are designed to help you decide whether or not you need Al-anon.
1) Do you worry about how much someone else drinks?
2) Do you have money problems because of someone else's drinking?
3) Do you tell lies to cover up for someone else's drinking?
4) Do you feel that if the drinker loved you, he or she would stop drinking to please you?
5) Do you think that the drinker's behavior is caused by his or her companions?
6) Are routines frequently upset or meals delayed because of the drinker?
7) Do you make threats, such as, "If you don't stop drinking, I'll leave you"?
8) When you kiss the drinker hello, do you secretly try to smell his or her breath?
9) Are you afraid to upset someone for fear it will set off a drinking bout?
10) Have you been hurt or embarrassed by a drinker's behavior?
11) Does it seem as if every holiday is spoiled because of drinking?
12) Have you considered calling the police for help in fear of abuse?
13) Do you find yourself searching for hidden liquor?
14) Do you often ride in a car with a driver who has been drinking?
15) Have you refused social invitations out of fear or anxiety?
16) Do you sometimes feel like a failure when you think of the lengths you have gone to control the drinker?
17) Do you think that if the drinker stopped drinking, your other problems would be solved?
18) Do you ever threaten to hurt yourself to scare the drinker?
19) Do you feel angry, confused, and depressed most of the time?
20) Do you feel there is no one who understands your problems?
If you have answered yes to three or more of these questions, Al-anon or Ala-teen may help. As I've mentioned earlier you can contact them both by looking in your local telephone directory.
Characteristics of an Active Alcoholic...
- Denial (that there's a drinking problem)
- unpredictability (out of control)
- arrogance (larger than life, inflated ego)
- suffering from self loathing and mental anguish
- immediate gratification
- seldom says thank you (ungrateful attitude)
- rarely says I'm sorry (blames others)
- unaccountability (usually avoids taking responsibility for actions)
- provokes fear, anger, and anxiety in others
- picks fights (argumentative and disagreeable)
- making jokes at other people's expense
- offensive, inappropriate humor, ie. sarcasm, belittling, ridiculing, and sexual inuendos, etc.
- constant confusion, crisis, and chaos going on
- broken promises are often made to friends and family
- financial problems (money used for alcohol instead of family needs)
- sexual problems (promiscuity, adultery, perversion)
- grandstanding (performing)
- boundary crossing (space invaders)
- unreliable
- frequently drives under the influence
- embarrassing behavior
- unable to form relationships (takes hostages instead)
- necessary to have a rescuer, an enabler, and a provoker in order to maintain alcoholism
- verbal, physical, and sexual abuse are common, as well as domestic violence
Keep in mind that these are traits of alcoholics who are actively drinking, and not necessarily the ones in recovery.
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Darkman
12-01-2011, 05:31 PM
Thanks for your words. I was kinda shocked I shared that with you all. But than again I feel you all are like family to me. You guys bring me up when times I need it the most. I dont feel judged here with you all.
Greg
Greg read this article. It is quite enlightening and a bit surprising considering the source.
I will preface this by saying that I am against the illegal use of anything and certainly do not endorse nor condone experimentation by amateur pharmicists. The article just goes to show you how close we were at one time, how far we went away and now may be returning to answers that we should have had years ago.
A trip worth taking: Could LSD be the answer to PTSD? - Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) - Stripes (http://www.stripes.com/news/special-reports/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/a-trip-worth-taking-could-lsd-be-the-answer-to-ptsd-1.161964)
saltydad
12-01-2011, 08:33 PM
Greg- I'm glad you have found cannabis is effective for you with your chemo side effects. And you are indeed family here.!
Richard
12-01-2011, 09:30 PM
Greg- I'm glad you have found cannabis is effective for you with your chemo side effects. And you are indeed family here.!
Eat the buds and save your lungs. You'll have a better experience without the smoke inhalation too.
Darkman
12-02-2011, 08:21 AM
Eat the buds and save your lungs. You'll have a better experience without the smoke inhalation too.
Like in a salad or just straight up?
When cooked in food is the effect of the THC dimenished or affected?
Richard
12-02-2011, 10:04 AM
Like in a salad or just straight up?
When cooked in food is the effect of the THC dimenished or affected?
Uncooked. Some people use powdered sugar.
If you think about it, smoking cannabis and calling it medicinal is a contradiction.
Then of course there are people who (unlike Greg) are not ill and consume it recreationally, justifying it all with "medicinal". That is straight out hypocrisy! If you are using it recreationally, then why not be honest about it?
My final comment about cannabis is that as a drug, frequent use over a period of 3 years or more has been credibly linked to the establishment of cronic depression. For people who are "self medicating", this is a vicious cycle.
Darkman
12-02-2011, 01:06 PM
Uncooked. Some people use powdered sugar.
If you think about it, smoking cannabis and calling it medicinal is a contradiction.
Then of course there are people who (unlike Greg) are not ill and consume it recreationally, justifying it all with "medicinal". That is straight out hypocrisy! If you are using it recreationally, then why not be honest about it?
My final comment about cannabis is that as a drug, frequent use over a period of 3 years or more has been credibly linked to the establishment of cronic depression. For people who are "self medicating", this is a vicious cycle.
In many third world countries, those countries that are steeped in tradition and those that use "medicine men", smoking is many times the chosen delivery method of the "cure". The case for not legalizing MJ is that there are other known drugs that provide similar effects to those suffering from chronic pain and the side effects from chemo. I think the real case lies somewhere in the middle. An obvious benefit is it is difficult to OD on MJ and for the most part it is not a physically addictive drug. The dosage is self tailored to the patients needs were as prescription meds are regulated and dosed out to what "should" take care of you. The less obvious factor is that there is a calming effect by the smoking process. Generally you slow down and relax so there is a therapeutic value to the actual smoking which you never get from swallowing a pill. Most meds prescribed can have some addictive qualities that many people cannot deal with. I have had back issues and have been prescribed oxcotin several times. Fortunately I never felt the need to continue taking these pills after my body was healed. Many are not so lucky. The continued use long term does skew the perception of reality and as you stated you never escape reality which leads to the eventually and mostly unavoidable depression. Most pain relievers are generally considered to be short term usage drugs that you are supposed to discontinue after the issue is resolved.
Richard
12-04-2011, 09:02 PM
An obvious benefit is it is difficult to OD on MJ and for the most part it is not a physically addictive drug.
MJ overdose is common where "super bud" is available. Persons passing out to the point of cardiac arrest occurs 4 times per day in central San Diego according to the Sharp drug recovery clinic.
For those with chronic depression/anxiety, the addiction is biochemical.
The less obvious factor is that there is a calming effect by the smoking process.
Yes, it is called oxygen deprivation from smoke. The permanent damage from smoke inhalation has been thoroughly chronicled and the effects on brain development in younger people is troubling. Several studies refer back to a long-term study done at Stanford.
I especially don't like the fact that some of my medical insurance premiums will go to paying for health problems you will have later in life due to smoking.
Darkman
12-05-2011, 08:11 PM
MJ overdose is common where "super bud" is available. Persons passing out to the point of cardiac arrest occurs 4 times per day in central San Diego according to the Sharp drug recovery clinic.
I hadn't heard that. Very sad. The ones that used it probably thought it was completely safe. Is that laced or geneticlly altered?
In CA is the prescription covered by insurance?
Richard
12-05-2011, 09:13 PM
I hadn't heard that. Very sad. The ones that used it probably thought it was completely safe. Is that laced or geneticlly altered?
No, just hybrids grown under exacting conditions.
In southern CA, there is little demand for laced because dime-size folded squares of foil containing 2-3 hits of opium are cheaper and far more readily available -- especially at the high school level.
With the quasi-legalization of cannabis growing here, the demand for pot from Mexico dropped considerably. Those drug dealers had to resort to something else. Opium of course is a wickedly addicting substitution.
In CA is the prescription covered by insurance?
Not on my plan, but otherwise I don't know.
Vagetarian
12-09-2011, 06:00 AM
MJ overdose is common where "super bud" is available. Persons passing out to the point of cardiac arrest occurs 4 times per day in central San Diego according to the Sharp drug recovery clinic.
You have fallen victim to the propaganda I'm afraid!
According to a study which the NHS (National Health Service of the UK) states repeatedly is not a reliable study(!!), marijuana increases the risk of a heart attack by 4.8 times during the first hour after initial usage, this risk then drops significantly.
Compare this to a rollercoaster ride at a theme park and ask yourself if it's really that bad for a healthy individual. Ask yourself if an unhealthy individual should be riding rollercoasters, smoking pot, drinking alcohol, cigarettes, the list goes on...
Mustn't forget to mention sex, 'cause you're 10 times more likely to die from a heart attack during or after sex so I guess that's out of the question too.
There are certain rules to doing and taking anything, based on your own health. Nothing should be assumed to be safe for everybody, nothing! I might take a ride on the 'big dipper' but I certainly wouldn't try and convince my grandmother to jump on!
Do not smoke pot if you have heart problems (this is well documented already), do not smoke pot if your brain is still developing and do not smoke pot if you are genetically predisposed to or already suffer from schizophrenia. Oh and don't smoke it all the time because yes it does cause depression and serious laziness, I think the correct term would be 'content with doing and having nothing'.
Smoking pot does not cause schizophrenia in healthy individuals, it doesn't make you impotent (far from it in my case at least :D) it doesn't give you man boobs or make men/boys at all feminine.
'Super bud' is nothing new really, although it has slowly been getting stronger over the years with selective breeding. The fact that they keep mentioning it just goes to show how little they know about the subject. It's like comparing a 5% beer to a 10% beer. The 10% doesn't melt your liver away, you just drink half as much, right? Because if you drink the same amount of a double strength drink you're going to get twice as pissed and you're an idiot really, right? You can't protect idiots from themselves.
As for what the 'smart drug clinic' have to say, I'd be willing to bet that the very same people have either destroyed themselves through stimulant usage or were also on stimulants at the time. There was an article in the tabloids not that long ago entitled something like "Men drown after using cannabis". If you read the full story it actually goes on to say that they had been drinking in the pub since the afternoon. It was then pitch black in the middle of the night, the men, already inebriated decided to smoke some cannabis and go boating on a freezing Scottish Loch. So of course, the cannabis made them drown, not the cold, nor the dark, nor the fact that they were almost paralytic on alcohol to start with. And if anyone has ever gotten drunk and smoked a joint they know it's a bad idea!
P.S. I am not condoning cannabis use, nor alcohol or tobacco either. I used to be a regular user of cannabis and alcohol some years ago but don't drink now and very rarely have a smoke when friends offer (except for the evil tobacco!)
EDIT: http://www.nta.nhs.uk/uploads/healthharmsfinal-v1.pdf
Richard
12-09-2011, 11:12 PM
You have fallen victim to the propaganda I'm afraid!
No. I am a first-hand observer. :mad:
jeffreyp
12-09-2011, 11:24 PM
Do not be excessively righteous and do not be overly wise. Why should you ruin yourself?
Vagetarian
12-10-2011, 08:33 AM
No. I am a first-hand observer. :mad:
You've witnessed somebody having cardiac arrest after using nothing but cannabis?
I've witnessed somebody have a cardiac arrest after doing nothing, they obviously had an unhealthy heart.
I can not believe for one minute that cannabis poses a heart risk to any healthy individual. It is noted that it increases heart rate and blood pressure (as do many, many things) but the risk of heart attack is not noted by any medical authority that I know of.
By the way, cocaine + cannabis = risking a heart attack but cocaine is very bad anyway.
Remember that cannabis has never officially had a single death attributed to it! If they could pin something on it, I'm sure they would, for justification of their existing legislation if nothing else.
BBC NEWS | Health | Roller-coasters 'can stop hearts' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4440380.stm)
That is far more dangerous! If you have a bad heart in the first place then you'd be an idiot to ride a roller coaster. The same is true for smoking cannabis, etc, etc.
Richard
12-10-2011, 03:27 PM
You've witnessed somebody having cardiac arrest after using nothing but cannabis?
I witnessed them in the '70's, and now I witness them -- all of them teens, being brought to the rehabilitation clinic after a night in the hospital, then I listen to their stories in one of the weekly group sessions.
The blood tests taken at the hospital don't lie: no drugs except THC, but the levels in the THC are extreme, well over 500. Apparently the victims faint and panic at the same time, and their heart goes into "auto-restart" mode.
My main point made earlier is that smoking -- regardless of what you smoke -- it induces mild oxygen deprivation and gradual callusing of lung tissue. In a span of over 50 years, I've watched my smoking friends die from it, others have to tote around oxygen tanks, leave their technical jobs because mentally the oxygen deprivation caught up with them, some are more fortunate that that but have trouble taking a walk in the woods, and only 2 of them have not encountered any limiting effects -- yet.
People in denial make lots of hand waving arguments. I am tired of listening to them and have unsubscribed from this thread.
Jack Daw
12-10-2011, 05:13 PM
The blood tests taken at the hospital don't lie: no drugs except THC, but the levels in the THC are extreme, well over 500. Apparently the victims faint and panic at the same time, and their heart goes into "auto-restart" mode.
Sounds like fun. That's the main reason for smoking, right? To feel these sorts of things?
Now we need to know why alcohol is in long term view so degenerative and why young people, who used to drink a lot, have fivefold bigger chance of having a deformed baby...
Etc.
Not mentioning other incredibly beautiful effects (degeneration,...). And they don't even have to stick a label: "Drinking may kill and cause several life threatening conditions including permanent effects on your future offspring.", as is the case of smoking.
Drugs... that's a completely different chapter.
I just don't get how people can't seem to understand, what brings the biggest pleasure with little or no danger. I wanna see the first to tell me that drinking, smoking, doping... is better than sex. :08:
Cheerio. :08:
A woman for each drunk, pothead and smokey face and the hospitals will have less patients in no time...gosh. :ha:
(emotional satisfaction of making love to a person you actually have feelings for is priceless! :bananas_b and needs not to be mentioned)
Vagetarian
12-11-2011, 04:46 AM
Sounds like fun. That's the main reason for smoking, right? To feel these sorts of things?
Well, not quite. The increased blood pressure and heart rate would be unwanted side affects I guess. Although I have been repeatedly googling since I read this and I've still yet to find one documented case of it ever happening (cannabis causing heart attack on it's own).
I couldn't agree more with the rest of what you say Jack Daw!
Richard, I do hope you're not suggesting I'm in denial! I will deny that cannabis causes heart attacks because all the peer reviewed articles I'm reading say it does not in a healthy individual. No crazy hippies waving their arms franticly here!
Lung damage is undeniable, but with 'super bud' being so much stronger, a sensible person smokes less to get the same affect and therefore receives a lot less lung damage than someone in the 70s. Only a true idiot smokes the same amount as they smoked in the 70s. Just like only a true idiot drinks his beer quota in pints of vodka instead. The biggest problem here comes from pollutants, and this is backed up by medical science too! I witnessed a friend lose 1.5 of his lungs.
The link to schizophrenia is undeniable, you'd be an idiot to use cannabis if you have schizophrenia. Likewise, use during childhood stops the brain from developing fully. I personally regret ever doing that.
There's no doubt that cannabis is bad for you, and you shouldn't do it. My point is that it's a an awful lot better than the other 'alternatives'. And I have strong, personal experience of this myself.
The Hollyberry Lady
12-18-2011, 08:19 PM
What causes alcoholism? Is alcoholism hereditary?
One frequently asked question about alcoholism is if it is hereditary. As with most other mental disorders, alcohol dependence has no one single cause and is not directly passed from one generation to another genetically. Rather, it is the result of a complex group of genetic, psychological, and environmental factors.
What are alcohol abuse and alcoholism symptoms and signs in teenagers, women, men, and the elderly?
Signs that indicate a person is intoxicated include the smell of alcohol on their breath or skin, glazed or bloodshot eyes, the person being unusually passive or argumentative, and/or a deterioration in the person's appearance or hygiene. Other physical symptoms of the state of being drunk include flushed skin. Cognitively, the person may experience decreased ability to pay attention and a propensity toward memory loss.
Alcohol, especially when consumed in excess, can affect teens, women, men, and the elderly quite differently. Women and the elderly tend to have higher blood concentrations of alcohol compared to men and younger individuals who drink the same amount. Alcoholic women are more at risk for developing cirrhosis of the liver and heart and nerve damage at a faster rate than alcohol-dependent men. Interestingly, men and women seem to have similar learning and memory problems as the result of excessive alcohol intake, but again, women tend to develop those problems twice as fast as men.
Elderly people who drink excessively are at risk for having more serious illnesses, doctor visits, and symptoms of depression, with less life satisfaction and smaller social support networks compared to senior citizens who have never consumed alcohol. While binge drinking is often thought to be a symptom of young people, an often unknown, uncommon fact is that a significant percentage of middle-aged and elderly individuals also engage in binge drinking. This behavior increases the risk for driving drunk, no matter what the age.
Teenagers who consume alcohol excessively have been found to be at risk for abnormal organ development as the possible result of the hormonal abnormalities caused by alcohol. This is particularly a risk to their developing reproductive system. Just a few of the other many dangerous effects of alcohol abuse and alcoholism in teenagers include the following:
* In contrast to adults, teens tend to abuse alcohol simultaneously with other substances, usually marijuana.
* Male teens who drink heavily tend to complete fewer years of education compared to male teens who do not drink.
* The younger a person is when they begin drinking, the more likely they are to develop a problem with alcohol.
* Each year, almost 2,000 people under 21 years of age die in car crashes in which underage drinking is involved. Alcohol is involved in nearly half of all violent deaths involving teens.
* More than three times the number of eighth-grade girls who drink heavily said they have attempted suicide compared to girls in that grade who do not drink.
* Teens who drink are more likely to engage in sexual activity, have unprotected sex, have sex with a stranger, or be the victim or perpetrator of a sexual assault.
*Excess alcohol use can cause or mask other emotional problems, like anxiety or depression.
*Drinking in excess can lead to the use of other drugs, like marijuana, cocaine, or heroin.
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The Hollyberry Lady
04-22-2012, 02:01 AM
Alcoholism Statistics (http://www.learn-about-alcoholism.com/alcoholism-statistics.html)
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laserlight
04-23-2012, 08:04 AM
No. I drank some beer after New Years but thats the only time and I never use any drugs. =) Nobody in my family drinks alcohol either. maybe a little but not very much and nobody should make a huge drama about one beer it wasnt that good imo.
millworkman
04-24-2012, 12:30 PM
I like the taste of beer. Not all beer but many different kinds. I also make my own beer at home. I dont like liquor or wine and get really turned off by the flavor of alcohol but I love beer. If beer was non-alcoholic I would still drink it. Its not the alcohol that does it for me, its the flavor of the grains and the hops. I enjoy the complexities that micro brewers put into their brews and enjoy many of the different ingredients that go into a great brew. I drink between 3-6 beers a day during the week, start when cooking dinner, and between 6-9 per day on the weekends. Nothing beats the way a nicely chilled "lawnmower lager" beats the heat after mowing the yard or gardening.
If that makes me an alcoholic then so be it. My life has never suffered because I drink nor has the lives of anyone around me.
The Hollyberry Lady
04-25-2012, 01:12 AM
No one needs to feel that they have to check into this thread and give an exact account of their drinking habits, or admit one way or the other if they're an alcoholic. That's your business. I'm just trying to provide some information, so I'm sorry the title of the thread gives the wrong impression. You don't actually have to answer the question. Besides that, how much you drink, isn't what makes someone an alcoholic. It's how the alcohol you consume, affects you and your life.
Apart from my studies in psychology and abnormal psychology, I have had a lot of personal experience with some family members who attended and some who still attend numerous 12 step programs. Although the information in this post is in my own words, it is all based on facts recognized by A.A., among other sources. Although I am not an alcoholic, I've had a great deal of exposure to the program, through family members. Also when I was a teenager, I went to Ala-teen because my life was being affected by an alcoholic and I needed help with it. I've also read countless books on the subject, including one called Games Alcoholics Play.
If you're experienced, trained, and educated about alcoholism, an alcoholic is actually easy to spot...even if you don't know them personally. They always think their drinking is a secret and that others won't know about it if they don't actually see it. But alcoholics have personality traits and characteristics that are hallmarks of the disease. Everybody knows, but them.
Even those who are affected by them, though they may not know each other, only the faces and the names change but the dynamics are always the same. It's a family disease. In a number of ways, the people affected by alcoholics are actually "sicker" because they're going through life sober. However the alcoholic is anesthetized, removed from reality and the stress that the non-alcoholic is feeling and facing, alone. Most alcoholics are oblivious to the thoughts and feelings of others.
Alcoholics have to have the last word...ALWAYS. They wouldn't know how to back off and let things calm down, if they tried. They are notorious for being gameplayers. A number of them actually ENJOY bothering others and getting under their skin, just simply because it gets a rise out of someone and it's "fun". They like to belittle others and they relish in jokes at other people's expense.
You can sometimes spot them by their larger than life arrogance and their oversized egos that constantly need stroking. They have a very strong sense of entitlement and think everything is their due. They always have to be better and often put others down for their way of doing things. One upmanship is a favorite game of an alcoholic and they love to make a competition out of everything so they can prove they are superior...to compensate for their low self-esteems.
Underneath this arrogant facade is extreme insecurity and lack of confidence in themselves and this is why they put others down and belittle them. They do not like themselves and therefore resent when someone else does like themselves. They are often negative and pessimistic and resent people who are cheerful and happy. People often feel like they are walking on eggshells around them and they can be hot and cold so you never know what to expect. They are famous for being agumentative, especially when they are drinking.
Alcoholics are very immature and their development actually stops at the age they started drinking. So if you have an alcoholic who's 50 but who started drinking at the age of 19, you are actually dealing with a middle-aged adolescent in reality and it will be evident in their actions, behaviors, and decisions. They have no self-control.
You can also recognize them by their unaccountability and how they almost always blame other people for their problems. They rarely say thank you and even more rarely say they're sorry. They are often inappropriate and do inappropriate things. They seldom know when to just keep quiet and quit while they're ahead. They usually speak for others and rudely interrupt at inappropriate times. This behavior is not just reserved for when an alcoholic is drinking either.
A number of alcoholics enjoy bragging about how much they drink and they love to tell or listen to drinking stories. Some like to give a detailed account of exactly how much they drink, to 'prove' whether they're an alcoholic and many of them believe they could give it up anytime they feel like it and that it is not affecting their life or the lives of others in any way.
Maybe these posts will help someone to spot an alcoholic in their life and to know that it's ok to talk about it and get help. ;)
More soon. G'night. :03:
The Hollyberry Lady
05-06-2012, 10:01 AM
A pretty good video on the subject...
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