View Full Version : Whats the best fertilizer ?
sunfish
10-08-2011, 09:55 AM
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Nicolas Naranja
10-08-2011, 12:00 PM
It all depends on where you are and what your needs are. Where I grow I can get away with 4-1/4 lbs applications of 0-0-60. On the coastal sands you are looking at 6-12 applications of 9-2-18 or 12-4-24. If you are in a low organic matter situation you could certainly benefit from using manure. Years ago I would have told you not to bother using foliar nutrition, but I am now a proponent of the products. During the summer I started hitting the plants at my house with foliar fertilizer and the improvement was immediate.
sunfish
10-08-2011, 12:19 PM
It all depends on where you are and what your needs are. Where I grow I can get away with 4-1/4 lbs applications of 0-0-60. On the coastal sands you are looking at 6-12 applications of 9-2-18 or 12-4-24. If you are in a low organic matter situation you could certainly benefit from using manure. Years ago I would have told you not to bother using foliar nutrition, but I am now a proponent of the products. During the summer I started hitting the plants at my house with foliar fertilizer and the improvement was immediate.
Thanks.So for me being in heavy clay 0-0-60 should do ? I happen to have a few bags
momoese
10-08-2011, 03:48 PM
Have you had your soil tested Tony?
sunfish
10-08-2011, 04:24 PM
Have you had your soil tested Tony?
No.Guess I should
Nicolas Naranja
10-08-2011, 04:42 PM
Definitely test your soil and get your plants tissue tested. Some soils have tons of potassium already.
pondplantgirl
10-08-2011, 05:26 PM
I've been using a heat activated 13-13-13 for my artichoke plants, which are also big feeders. I have a friend who uses Miracle Grow powdered. Instead of mixing it with the water, he sprinkles it right on the soil and waters it in well. However, I believe that a heavy organic mulch will work just as well. I would suggest bagged steer manure, but some people cringe at the thought of poo on edible plants.
scottu
10-08-2011, 05:39 PM
I just dig out a 6 foot round area down about four feet or so and replace with the best soil I can mix.I figure if the roots go much further they are strong enough to acclimate.
The dirt here would never even grow weeds otherwise.
Christian Rieger
10-08-2011, 05:56 PM
Do a Google search for rock dust, chicken manure and bat manure.
Read the information so you understand why you want to use these instead of synthetic fertilizers that kill the life in the soil.
sunfish
10-08-2011, 06:12 PM
Do a Google search for rock dust, chicken manure and bat manure.
Read the information so you understand why you want to use these instead of synthetic fertilizers that kill the life in the soil.
Okay
pondplantgirl
10-08-2011, 06:16 PM
After my large 10-year-old 15" koi died this year, I planted him under my California Gold, and it ended up producing 5 pups! I like to think his fishy spirit goes on in a banana kind of way.
http://www.sweetheartartichokes.com/img/chaplain.jpg
sunfish
10-08-2011, 06:22 PM
After my large 10-year-old 15" koi died this year, I planted him under my California Gold, and it ended up producing 5 pups! I like to think his fishy spirit goes on in a banana kind of way.
http://www.sweetheartartichokes.com/img/chaplain.jpg
http://www.bananas.org/f312/banana-fuel-14149.html#post169823
momoese
10-08-2011, 06:35 PM
Have you had your soil tested Tony?
No.Guess I should
Until then just add some more fish heads.
sunfish
10-08-2011, 06:57 PM
Until then just add some more fish heads.
Good idea
scottu
10-08-2011, 07:19 PM
Okay, I did get a deal on the bat Guyana from an out going supply house at half price and I used it as a fert source, but palm tone cannot be beat for it's properties etc to alot of others that don't meet the official organic lable, as such.
As far as the organics, I really don't get a lot of the pissyness! all things degrade! And "Banana fuel" rules!!!
oakshadows
10-08-2011, 08:16 PM
I just dig out a 6 foot round area down about four feet or so and replace with the best soil I can mix.I figure if the roots go much further they are strong enough to acclimate.
The dirt here would never even grow weeds otherwise.
The additive is good but could you decipher the rest of your message "after even weeds" otherwise? I'm a little slow.
sunfish
10-08-2011, 08:43 PM
[QUOTE=oakshadows;175283] I'm a little slow. :ha::ha:
momoese
10-08-2011, 09:01 PM
Until then just add some more fish heads.
Good idea
But first you'll have to catch them. :ha:
sunfish
10-08-2011, 09:22 PM
But first you'll have to catch them. :ha:
Maybe I'll just collect some seaweed and wait till the first of the year to buy a license.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=44248&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=44248&ppuser=2868)
:ha::ha:
scottu
10-08-2011, 09:24 PM
The additive is good but could you decipher the rest of your message "after even weeds" otherwise? I'm a little slow.
I think my point to witch you are referring was, that I don't use a fert as an amendment since my soil is so bad, Instead I just dig out the existing soil and replace it with my homemade soil instead. Sometimes you have to punt! And then if you do that you will be sure of what is in your soil.
sunfish
10-08-2011, 09:35 PM
I think my point to witch you are referring was, that I don't use a fert as an amendment since my soil is so bad, Instead I just dig out the existing soil and replace it with my homemade soil instead. Sometimes you have to punt! And then if you do that you will be sure of what is in your soil.
What is the native soil ?
scottu
10-08-2011, 10:24 PM
Mostly backfill of some sort, Cans, bottles, garbage. Its generally about 6 to 12 inches of a dirt like stuff that will allow some cover plants to grow, then below that is 2feet of crap it all depends on the spot you dig as to what you will come up with, the only sure thing is, is that if you dig through it you will hit clay and that will be there to about 4 feet deep and that is why I always dig out that much if I am going to plant anything that I really want to grow.
scottu
10-08-2011, 11:17 PM
Hey Mitchel, what kind of dog do you walk? I know all about that dog walking thing, I had a 150 lb black Shepard I had to walk twice a day, miss him a lot!
momoese
10-08-2011, 11:40 PM
Hey Mitchel, what kind of dog do you walk? I know all about that dog walking thing, I had a 150 lb black Shepard I had to walk twice a day, miss him a lot!
I have a dog walking service so it depends on the day. As for my personal dogs I have two Australian Shepherds.
Richard
10-10-2011, 08:37 PM
Read the information so you understand why you want to use these instead of synthetic fertilizers that kill the life in the soil.
I do not know of any synthetic fertilizers on the market. They are all naturally occurring minerals that have been dissolved in water in various proportions along with a tiny amount of plant enzyme for chelation, and then dehydrated.
Further, these so-called synthetic fertilizers do not kill life in the soil unless you apply it in massive overdosages -- in which case your plants would also be dead.
I am very familiar with the popular internet photo that shows a petri dish with a healthy sample of soil with beneficial organisms, and then the follow-on photo of the dead organisms after 2 tablespoons of miracle grow have been added. That is an extreme overdose! The proper rate is 1 teaspoon per gallon, which would make 6 gallons, and the petri dish barely has a volume of a half cup. Those two tablespoons are the equivalent of 3 gallons of chicken manure. If we submerged the petri dish in 3 gallons of chicken manure the life forms would also die!
momoese
10-11-2011, 09:04 AM
Maybe I'll just collect some seaweed and wait till the first of the year to buy a license.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=44248&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=44248&ppuser=2868)
:ha::ha:
At this point with the cost of the license, saltwater enhancement, and second pole sticker (not really a sticker anymore) it makes more sense to wait. The one nice thing about surf fishing right now is the lack of crowds. The water is chilling, the air is cooling, the kids are back in school. :08:
sunfish
10-11-2011, 09:19 AM
At this point with the cost of the license, saltwater enhancement, and second pole sticker (not really a sticker anymore) it makes more sense to wait. The one nice thing about surf fishing right now is the lack of crowds. The water is chilling, the air is cooling, the kids are back in school. :08:
It's the surfers that bother me,I've hooked some big ones. :ha:
sunfish
10-12-2011, 07:13 AM
Fertilizing Your Organic Garden - For Dummies (http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/fertilizing-your-organic-garden.html)
oakshadows
10-12-2011, 08:33 AM
Thanks, the soil here is all sand so we have been doing almost the same as you. There is plenty of compost here for us since we have 5 head of cattle. It works good for us and the worms love it, also improving it. Don't go as deep as you and only dig where the plant is going to be. Trying not to disturb the fungi and bacteria so they can help the plant absorb the minerals. Adding chealated micro minerals and using sea salt solution works for us also. Heavy on the mulch saves some watering time but the timer goes on next year when the season starts. Plenty to do here.
momoese
10-12-2011, 09:30 AM
It's the surfers that bother me,I've hooked some big ones. :ha:
This really scares me so I try to stay way clear of anyone in the water. A single hook would suck, but just imagine 3 sets of trebles on a LC 110! :0491:
sunfish
10-12-2011, 10:23 AM
This really scares me so I try to stay way clear of anyone in the water. A single hook would suck, but just imagine 3 sets of trebles on a LC 110! :0491:
Just reel them in and release. I've had a few tell me I can't fish in a certain sport.They think they own the ocean.
caliboy1994
10-19-2011, 12:32 PM
My soil is weird. I have a layer of good topsoil on top of a thick layer of heavy clay. As of now I just plant my plants in cactus mix mixed with PERLITE and fertilize it with organic fertilizer. I recently added a layer of cocoa mulch. I'm thinking about starting using fish emulsion with each watering next spring. Any recommendations?
momoese
10-19-2011, 12:50 PM
My soil is weird. I have a layer of good topsoil on top of a thick layer of heavy clay. As of now I just plant my plants in cactus mix mixed with PERLITE and fertilize it with organic fertilizer. I recently added a layer of cocoa mulch. I'm thinking about starting using fish emulsion with each watering next spring. Any recommendations?
Be careful using coco mulch if you have dogs or neighbors dogs have access to that area.
caliboy1994
10-19-2011, 01:12 PM
Be careful using coco mulch if you have dogs or neighbors dogs have access to that area.
Don't have a dog. But both of my next door neighbors do. They aren't getting into our backyard though.
oakshadows
10-19-2011, 02:31 PM
Be careful using coco mulch if you have dogs or neighbors dogs have access to that area.
Why is that?
caliboy1994
10-19-2011, 02:42 PM
Why is that?
Because cocoa mulch is made from cacao bean shells. Cacao products contain theobromine, which is toxic to dogs and cats. And cocoa mulch smells like chocolate! :D
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