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DoctorSteve
05-03-2011, 04:25 PM
I read about a coconut palm that can grow in colder climates. I thought some on here might be interested. One is close by so I am going to see if I can find it and talk to the grower.

Golden Gate Palms&Exotics (http://www.goldengatepalms.com/public_html/coconut.htm)

sunfish
05-03-2011, 04:30 PM
Lots of nurseries selling these in San Diego

DoctorSteve
05-03-2011, 04:39 PM
That is awesome! I haven't seen them up here. I have to start growing them now. Maybe I should see if they taste just as good first.

Do you know if they have water inside like the big ones? I would guess no.

sunfish
05-03-2011, 05:10 PM
I don't know but Jubaea does

Christian Rieger
05-04-2011, 05:26 PM
Here is the trick: it may grow, but will it yield? Unless there is some amazing GM involved, which is unlikely since it is not a big commercial crop to the industrialists, there is a latitude above which it does not yield.

DoctorSteve
05-04-2011, 05:51 PM
Yes they yield fruit. At least in my area they do. I even ran across a blog where some guys in my area picked them up off the ground in a park and ate them. I can not say if they will yield fruit other places, but I keep reading that they do well in the San Francisco area, the area I live in. Still we may never know about other places if people don't try. It will take some time but if they don't mind I don't either.

Link to the blog
An Edible Palm Tasting Fire Flower (http://fireflower.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/an-edible-palm-tasting/)

sunfish
05-04-2011, 06:33 PM
This one will grow in your area also.

Jubaea chilensis






http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=38380&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=38380&perpage=12&ppuser=2868)

Christian Rieger
05-04-2011, 07:35 PM
That's the biggest hammer I've ever seen. Is it the hammer of Thor?

sunfish
05-04-2011, 07:38 PM
That's the biggest hammer I've ever seen. Is it the hammer of Thor?

Yes

Christian Rieger
05-04-2011, 08:15 PM
The coconut of this link, An Edible Palm Tasting Fire Flower, refers to is Parajubaea torallyi, information of which is found here: PACSOA - Parajubaea torallyi (http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Parajubaea/torallyi.html), and several other places.

It is not Cocos nucifera, which is the coconut of the tropics that grows along its shores and you find de-husked in grocery stores. The coconut spreads by floating on currents around the world. Its natural home is sandy shores. It is carnied to higher elevations by humans. Interestingly, studies demonstrate that it has a better chance of sprouting when soaked in salt water than when not. In Florida it does not yield north of Sarasota. It will grow, but not yield. This would indicate that yield corresponds to hours of light rather than temperature, much as the same cause of the change of colors of leaves in New England in the fall.

The name of a plant alone does not necessarily indicate what it is and where it can grow and yield. For instance, in Barbados, and other Caribbean islands, the people refer to a cherry. These are a tropical plant and cannot survive outdoors in the north where an entirely different variety of cherry grows that cannot yield in tropical lowlands.

Christian Rieger
05-04-2011, 08:21 PM
Yes

Nice answer. I got a good chuckle.

DoctorSteve
05-04-2011, 08:28 PM
The coconut of this link, An Edible Palm Tasting Fire Flower, refers to is Parajubaea torallyi, information of which is found here: PACSOA - Parajubaea torallyi, and several other places.

It is not Cocos nucifera, which is the coconut of the tropics that grows along its shores and you find de-husked in grocery stores.

Thank you Christian, I did know that but others may not have.

sunfish
05-04-2011, 08:59 PM
Mission Bay San Diego

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33007&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33007&ppuser=2868)

Christian Rieger
05-04-2011, 10:33 PM
Mission Bay San Diego

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33007&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33007&ppuser=2868)

What kind of palm is this?

sunfish
05-04-2011, 10:42 PM
Jubaea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubaea)

Christian Rieger
05-05-2011, 05:24 AM
Jubaea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubaea)

So then, this is not a coconut palm and does not demonstrate how a coconut palm can grow outside of tropical latitudes but merely illustrates how certain palms can grow there.

Unless I missed something, this thread has to do with growing coconut palms outside the tropics and not some plant that has the words coconut or palm in the name.

I do not mean this to be facetious, but if someone has a passion for growing tropical plants and having a mini rain forest in their back yard, then move to the tropics. That is what I did.

sunfish
05-05-2011, 06:59 AM
Golden Gate Palms&Exotics (http://www.goldengatepalms.com/public_html/coconut.htm)

Christian Rieger
05-05-2011, 07:48 AM
Golden Gate Palms&Exotics (http://www.goldengatepalms.com/public_html/coconut.htm)

This is the same reference as the original post, but the site does not state they are selling what most people would call a coconut tree.

There is a tree that grows in the tropics that is called a tulip tree because the flowers look like tulips, same with an orchid tree with flowers that look like orchids, naming and looking does not make it the same as either tulips or orchids.

People should not be deceived into believing they can get coconuts from a tree growing in San Francisco. In certain areas where there is fog at the right time of day and right time of year you will can raise mind-boggling artichokes, but you will not get a coconut in natural circumstances. There is an exception to this: When there is a planetary shift.

sunfish
05-05-2011, 09:53 AM
I still do not understand where anybody was saying this is a true coconut tree.

Christian Rieger
05-05-2011, 10:14 AM
I still do not understand where anybody was saying this is a true coconut tree.

This started by Dr. Steve stating: I read about a coconut palm that can grow in colder climates. He did not say, "I read about a Bolivian mountain coconut that can grow in colder climates that is very different from what most people think of as a coconut but that is similar in name only." He did not qualify.

sunfish
05-05-2011, 10:37 AM
From the link he posted

Now here's a cool palm! Parajubaea cocoides, or the "Quito Coconut" as they prefer to call it in its native home of highland Ecuador, is a gorgeous feather type palm very reminiscent of the True Coconut Palm (Cocos nucifera) which is impossible to grow in Northern Calfornia without extreme microclimate modification.

DoctorSteve
05-05-2011, 11:58 AM
This thread is about the quito coconut palm. The title of this thread is Quito. In most if not all of the links posted they state the botanical name of each palm. All that is needed is to read them.

If I or any other person out there wants to grow a palm that is not the true coconut palm but produces small coconuts or coquitos that is up to us. The difference to me is like Musa vs Australimusa. Two different species, different fruit, but both produce and are bananas. So both are palms, both produce fruit, and I will eat them both.:lurk:

People on this forum like to push the envelope, if we didn't people in BC would not be growing bananas, but they are. So if people can grow things that remind them of a place they may never go or even move to, let it be, just let it be.

For all those reading, this is not anger or anything like it. That is what I don't like about forums things get taken the wrong way. I am just trying to be clear about it that is all.

Oh and the reason I started this quest is because my sister likes coconut but is never going to move to a place where they grow, she is to white and can't take the heat. She gets burned in about 15 minutes no joke.:ha:

Dalmatiansoap
05-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Parajubaea sprout
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dalmatiansoap/IMAG1902.jpg
:woohoonaner:

sunfish
05-06-2011, 06:32 PM
Mission Bay San Diego

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=33007&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33007&ppuser=2868)

Jubaea chilensis

<a href="http://s950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/musanamwah/?action=view&amp;current=Picture014.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/musanamwah/Picture014.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

sunfish
05-06-2011, 07:54 PM
Jubaea chilensis (http://www.plantapalm.com/vpe/photos/Species/jubaea_chilensis.htm)

sunfish
10-09-2012, 03:46 PM
This one will grow in your area also.

Jubaea chilensis






http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=38380&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=38380&perpage=12&ppuser=2868)

Doctorsteve I sent you a PM about the seed :)

DoctorSteve
10-13-2012, 01:16 PM
Here are the Jubaea Chilensis seeds I got from Tony today. Can't wait to plant and eat some of them.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=50940&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=50940&ppuser=7090)

Thanks again Tony.

Dalmatiansoap
10-14-2012, 04:28 AM
That are quality seeds with hight germination rate. Somehow I cant keep seedlings alive, I suggest to use deep pots from early beginning and some fast draining soil mix. Take care with watering and dont apply and ferts at all.