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venturabananas
03-04-2011, 12:57 AM
I noticed that someone on the org had mentioned they'd ordered some bananas from Florida Hill Nursery. I hadn't heard of this company before and so I checked out their website. They list quite a selection of bananas. TC plants it looks like -- small and at reasonable prices. Does anyone have any experience with this company? Are they reliable?
SilkKnoll
03-04-2011, 11:40 PM
I considered ordering from them but noticed, as you did, all the earmarks of a TC reseller: the description and charts lifted entirely from AgriStarts, heights something like "may be 4-16 inches tall."
I wrote to Florida Hill with enough questions to confirm that they are turning them around as quickly as possible after receiving the liner trays. A trading friend bought some elephant ears from them and said they were tiny. I don't know if they survived.
I've had bad luck with "test tube babies" because they are in transition from sterile laboratory conditions, and, without special handling (sanitizing soil with products that kill common bacteria, etc.), they are quite fragile and vulnerable to rotting.
I do not have anything approximating a sterile environment for them, and, despite the hundreds of dollars I've wasted on them, I have still not developed an instinct of when and how to begin to introduce them to a more normal setting without traumatizing (killing) them.
On the other hand, if you can pull it off, you can save some money.
If I suspect someone is reselling TCs with a quick turnaround, I always ask, and I won't buy plants sooner than two months after having been received as liner plugs, and I make sure they're currently growing in normal greenhouse or (preferably) outdoor conditions.
There's no cost benefit in buying DOAs.
RAINFOREZT
03-05-2011, 07:39 AM
Yes, I did ordered from them through Ebay. That was in last November. I bought ice cream, musa double mahoi and thousand fingers. This was the first time that I purchasing tissue cultured bananas and buying plants online I was expecting very small plants but the plants were more than a feet long but skinny though. They came with roots and leaves Roots were kind of taped off, so I was careful not to damage the plant when I unpacked. . I planted them in pots and moved inside my house for December and January. I was away from home and anticipated the freeze. During that time it was kind of dormant and lost few leaves. Now it started going back again. I will be planting them soon to the earth. Since the price and shipping were reasonable I may order from them again. They had good collection of colocasias and elephant ears type of plants.
drew leonard
03-12-2011, 08:48 PM
I would be careful and make sure they have the plants you are truly looking for....I recently purchased an Alocasia Reticulata... I received an A. Sarian... They said they did not sell Sarians... I sent them pictures of the Sarian they sent me and showed them the BIG differences between the two.... He did credit my account... After about 3 e-mails.
buellracing01
03-14-2011, 06:47 PM
Hello all, I bought around 22 plants from Floridahillnursery last year for something like 135.00 bucks and they were huge and all grew like crazy I will buy from these guys again and again. I will only buy tissue culture plants its the only way to get the best specamin.
*Sikknoll, Hellooo all bananas are grown from tissue culture no matter if its a 25 dollar plant from a garden center or a 6 dollar plant from Floridahillursery.com they all come from a tissue culture company like agristarts. Im glad to hear an online nursery is finally selling banana plants at a reasonable price. For my money i will go to florida hill again and again finally a good online nursery.:goteam:
Caloosamusa
03-15-2011, 06:55 AM
Florida Hill Nursery (http://www.floridahillnursery.com) :jalapenonaner:
I just received four plants yesterday from them, I was absolutely astounded.
I got two Ensetes about twenty inches long, a Gran Nain, and Dwarf Cavendish,
about 14 inches. All were solid plants with real strong solid root balls, they are all potted up and look great!
venturabananas
03-15-2011, 10:51 AM
Buellracing01, not all bananas sold by nurseries all TC plants. Some sell potted pups separated from older plants. Thanks for your input on this online nursery.
buellracing01
03-15-2011, 11:39 AM
Hello venturabananas, That's true but unless you plan on selling more than 100 plants per year and keeping the cost attainable the production ability one gets from pups would be too expensive and bleak with one exception the AI AI. It has to come from pups due to the variegation being lost in the cloning process hence the huge prices associated for one (1) freekin plant.
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Bermy nana
03-15-2011, 07:17 PM
Hi buellracing01
Wow 22 plants your garden must look great! Post some pics Shawn so we can see how they look now.
Thanks
buellracing01
03-15-2011, 07:58 PM
Hi buellracing01
Wow 22 plants your garden must look great! Post some pics Shawn so we can see how they look now.
Thanks
Well they look a little rough after this winter but i will post some soon.
cherokee_greg
03-28-2011, 02:03 PM
Hello all, I bought around 22 plants from Floridahillnursery last year for something like 135.00 bucks and they were huge and all grew like crazy I will buy from these guys again and again. I will only buy tissue culture plants its the only way to get the best specamin.
*Sikknoll, Hellooo all bananas are grown from tissue culture no matter if its a 25 dollar plant from a garden center or a 6 dollar plant from Floridahillursery.com they all come from a tissue culture company like agristarts. Im glad to hear an online nursery is finally selling banana plants at a reasonable price. For my money i will go to florida hill again and again finally a good online nursery.:goteam:
I have these coming. First time trying Florida Hills
1 x Canna Lily "Ermine" live plant Cannaceae
1 x FHIA-18 Banana plant
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I haven't ordered cannas from them, but you won't be disappointed with the banana.
cherokee_greg
03-28-2011, 02:27 PM
I haven't ordered cannas from them, but you won't be disappointed with the banana.
Thanks. The canna is a white one hard to find for me at least. Im sure I will be happy with both thanks
venturabananas
03-28-2011, 03:01 PM
After starting this thread and getting some positive feedback, I figured I'd give Florida Hill Nursery a try. I ordered three bananas: FHIA-18, Gluai Kai, and Cardaba. They were $6.99 each and shipping was $6.99 total. They shipped 4 days after I ordered and arrived a week after I ordered. The plants arrived in great shape. (I'll post pictures later.) As advertised and expected, they were small, about 4-6" stem and 11-16" including leaves. They were not in pots, but were well rooted in potting soil.
I'd give this nursery the thumbs up. Compared to Wellspring Gardens (which I have no problem with) the plants were bigger, the selection is better, yet the price is the same. If you have the patience to grow out small TC plants, you'd probably like Florida Hill Nursery. If you are less patient and willing to spend a bit more, the TC plants available from Going Bananas and Logee's are quite a bit bigger and correspondingly more expensive.
Being impatient myself, when I can, I go get big plants from helpful folks on this site like Tony (sunfish), Jon (pitangadiego), Mitchel (momoese), or Andy (BadPun), but not everyone has that option.
banana plants upon receipt:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=41275&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=41275&ppuser=7760)
one week later:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=41274&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=41274&ppuser=7760)
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 03:21 PM
After all the great bananas I recieved from Florida hill nursery I decided to buy some canna. Ill let you know how they look.
5x carnival
5x intrigue
5x Australia
5x creamcicle
5x Ermine
Bananas grow several feet a month so why buy a plant thats 3' tall for 30.00 when you can buy something for 6 bucks that will be as big as the 30.00 plant in one month, I mean they're bananas for crying out loud they will grow right out from under your feet if you stand still too long...
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sunfish
03-28-2011, 05:14 PM
Hello all, I bought around 22 plants from Floridahillnursery last year for something like 135.00 bucks and they were huge and all grew like crazy I will buy from these guys again and again. I will only buy tissue culture plants its the only way to get the best specamin.
*Sikknoll, Hellooo all bananas are grown from tissue culture no matter if its a 25 dollar plant from a garden center or a 6 dollar plant from Floridahillursery.com they all come from a tissue culture company like agristarts. Im glad to hear an online nursery is finally selling banana plants at a reasonable price. For my money i will go to florida hill again and again finally a good online nursery.:goteam:
:pics:
venturabananas
03-28-2011, 05:21 PM
Hey buellracing01, why continue the charade? Given that my PayPal payment for the plants I ordered from Florida Hills Nursery went to someone with the email address buellracing01@... it seems pretty clear to me that you are the owner of Florida Hill Nursery. Why pretend that you are ordering plants from your own nursery? You did succeed in generating a few sales, and I am happy with the plants you sent, but why not just come clean and tell us about your business?
FYI, bananas in California don't grow as fast as in Florida. From what I can tell, buying a small TC will set you back about year for fruit production compared to a nice potted plant in a 5 gallon container.
sunfish
03-28-2011, 05:32 PM
And he just bought some cannas from himself.
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 05:41 PM
venturabananas, what?? just because you didnt like my response to your post its no reason to slander someone. Arent you the site admin for bananas.org and arent you promoting people in your most recent blog. If its B.S. lets just call it B.S.
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 05:42 PM
Hey buellracing01, why continue the charade? Given that my PayPal payment for the plants I ordered from Florida Hills Nursery went to someone with the email address buellracing01@... it seems pretty clear to me that you are the owner of Florida Hill Nursery. Why pretend that you are ordering plants from your own nursery? You did succeed in generating a few sales, and I am happy with the plants you sent, but why not just come clean and tell us about your business?
FYI, bananas in California don't grow as fast as in Florida. From what I can tell, buying a small TC will set you back about year for fruit production compared to a nice potted plant in a 5 gallon container.
HAHAHA YEAH RIGHT...
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 05:46 PM
HAHAHA YEAH RIGHT...
DUDE IF YOU ARE BEING SET BACK A YEAR BY A DIFERENCE OF 2' BANANA TREE SERIOUSLY SOMTHING IS WRONG WITH YOUR GROWING TEQNIQUE.
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sunfish
03-28-2011, 05:54 PM
DUDE IF YOU ARE BEING SET BACK A YEAR BY A DIFERENCE OF 2' BANANA TREE SERIOUSLY SOMTHING IS WRONG WITH YOUR GROWING TEQNIQUE.
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buellracing01
03-28-2011, 06:05 PM
And he just bought some cannas from himself.
LET ME GUESS YOU MUST BE THE TONY VENTURABANANAS MENTIONS TO BUY FROM IN HIS POST. LMAO...LOL YOU GUYS ARE FREEKIN HALLARIOUS. THANKS FOR THE LAUGH. Sorry guys but Floridahillnursery.com beats em all.
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buellracing01
03-28-2011, 06:05 PM
LET ME GUESS YOU MUST BE THE TONY VENTURABANANAS MENTIONS TO BUY FROM IN HIS POST. LMAO...LOL YOU GUYS ARE FREEKIN HALLARIOUS. THANKS FOR THE LAUGH. Sorry guys but Floridahillnursery.com beats em all.
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Tony is sunfish. rofl
sunfish
03-28-2011, 06:06 PM
LET ME GUESS YOU MUST BE THE TONY VENTURABANANAS MENTIONS TO BUY FROM IN HIS POST. LMAO...LOL YOU GUYS ARE FREEKIN HALLARIOUS. THANKS FOR THE LAUGH. Sorry guys but Floridahillnursery.com beats em all.
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What's that got to do with anything. Dude
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 06:08 PM
And he just bought some cannas from himself.
Sunfish, I checked your profile you are Tony the guy ventura bananas mentions in his post. Sorry to mess up you'alls little ring you got going.
sunfish
03-28-2011, 06:12 PM
Sunfish, I checked your profile you are Tony the guy ventura bananas mentions in his post. Sorry to mess up you'alls little ring you got going.
A ring of what ? Either you have pic's of your bananas or you don't dude.
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 06:15 PM
HAHAHA YEAH RIGHT...
venturabananas, what?? just because you didnt like my response to your post its no reason to slander someone. Arent you the site admin for bananas.org and arent you promoting people in your most recent blog. If its B.S. lets just call it B.S.
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FYI, A meer coincidence.
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 06:27 PM
A ring of what ? Either you have pic's of your bananas or you don't dude.
Sunfish, im in Miami dude lets get real what do you want picts of I have mango trees, papayas, bananas, anonas, atemoyas and around 40 different types of banana trees dude thats 4-0, fourty. and got them all from Floridahillnursery.com
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 06:42 PM
Sunfish, im in Miami dude lets get real what do you want picts of I have mango trees, papayas, bananas, anonas, atemoyas and around 40 different types of banana trees dude thats 4-0, fourty. and got them all from Floridahillnursery.com
They have the best deal on bananas hands down. I just bought some canna lily from them too and cant wait to se 'em grow.
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buellracing01
03-28-2011, 06:52 PM
Hey buellracing01, why continue the charade? Given that my PayPal payment for the plants I ordered from Florida Hills Nursery went to someone with the email address buellracing01@... it seems pretty clear to me that you are the owner of Florida Hill Nursery. Why pretend that you are ordering plants from your own nursery? You did succeed in generating a few sales, and I am happy with the plants you sent, but why not just come clean and tell us about your business?
FYI, bananas in California don't grow as fast as in Florida. From what I can tell, buying a small TC will set you back about year for fruit production compared to a nice potted plant in a 5 gallon container.
Ventura, I just took a look at your banana picts and yikes!! your banana trees look rough.. seriously do you want some pointers.... I'd be happy to help. and yes if I were you I would stick with LARGE plants. They are harder to kill.
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 07:11 PM
Ventura, I just took a look at your banana picts and yikes!! your banana trees look rough.. seriously do you want some pointers.... I'd be happy to help. and yes if I were you I would stick with LARGE plants. They are harder to kill.
It looks like you have a low water problem. If its dry where you are try daily timed light overhead irrigation and move them away from the trees I saw in the picts they will rob moisture as well as nutrients from the bananas. Pine bark mulch helps to keep the moisture in the soil too.... All joking aside shoot me an email and I will be happy to put you back on track.
SilkKnoll
03-28-2011, 07:50 PM
"Hey buellracing01, why continue the charade? Given that my PayPal payment for the plants I ordered from Florida Hills Nursery went to someone with the email address buellracing01@... it seems pretty clear to me that you are the owner of Florida Hill Nursery. Why pretend that you are ordering plants from your own nursery? You did succeed in generating a few sales, and I am happy with the plants you sent, but why not just come clean and tell us about your business?"
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I was suspicious from the over-the-top praise in buellracing's first post -- literally suspected it was the seller himself, but, with no proof, I couldn't say anything other than what I had already said -- that I had online gardening and trading friends who had had very different experiences.
I can't help but wonder about Cherokee Greg also, since these two have been making similar posts and consistently thanking each other, while receiving thanks from no one else.
Now that he has decided to attack another seller, I can answer specifically from my own experience of buying plants from Donovan at Wellspring. His plants are grown out in those tall, skinny, rectangular pots with a nearly open bottom, which allows for a larger root system while saving the grower in surface space. The plants I bought were small, but had big root systems and thrived in transition. The ones that failed were Colocasia Nancy's Revenge, which I've always had trouble with.
Donovan shipped the plants in their pots, solidly filling the box with no room for shifting. If my order didn't fill the box, he added bonus plants (usually cannas) to fill the box completely. He put stakes in each pot that wedged the pot against the top of the box, so they wouldn't slip if the box was turned upside down.
I found the packing strategy pretty ingenious.
Donovan was honest and would tell me how long he had had the plants, which was helpful to me because, as I wrote, I choose not to buy TCs that have not been in a normal greenhouse (non-laboratory) environment for less than two months. That way, I don't have to deal with acclimatizing the test-tube babies to common garden conditions (and bacteria).
I still strongly prefer to buy from someone who is selling natural offsets, and, when they are regular gardeners -- not commercial growers -- they often sell them -- or even HAVE TO sell them -- at the same prices as the commercial growers, simply because of the competitive environment.
The only cannas I've received from TCs were the gifts from Wellspring. They grew out ok, but, of course took a long time to establish, while, when I buy a fat chunk of a growing canna rhizome from a regular gardener, it always explodes with growth.
I just saw an ad for a white canna yesterday. Yes, they were rare a couple of years ago, but ... things change. They aren't hard to find now.
Y'all make your own decisions, but, for me, the attempt at deception here speaks for itself.
buellracing01
03-28-2011, 08:01 PM
I was suspicious from the over-the-top praise in his first post -- literally suspected it was the seller himself, but, with no proof, I couldn't say anything other than what I had already said -- that I had online gardening and trading friends who had had very different experiences.
I can't help but wonder about Cherokee Greg also, since these two have been making similar posts and consistently thanking each other, while receiving thanks from no one else.
Now that he has decided to attack another seller, I can answer specifically from my own experience of buying plants from Donovan at Wellspring. His plants are grown out in those tall, skinny, rectangular pots with a nearly open bottom, which allows for a larger root system while saving the grower in surface space. The plants I bought were small, but had big root systems and thrived in transition. The ones that failed were Colocasia Nancy's Revenge, which I've always had trouble with.
Donovan shipped the plants in their pots, solidly filling the box with no room for shifting. If my order didn't fill the box, he added bonus plants (usually cannas) to fill the box completely. He put stakes in each pot that wedged the pot against the top of the box, so they wouldn't slip if the box was turned upside down.
I found the packing strategy pretty ingenious.
Donovan was honest and would tell me how long he had had the plants, which was helpful to me because, as I wrote, I choose not to buy TCs that have not been in a normal greenhouse (non-laboratory) environment for less than two months. That way, I don't have to deal with acclimatizing the test-tube babies to common garden conditions (and bacteria).
I still strongly prefer to buy from someone who is selling natural offsets, and, when they are regular gardeners -- not commercial growers -- they often sell them -- or even HAVE TO sell them -- at the same prices as the commercial growers, simply because of the competitive environment.
The only cannas I've received from TCs were the gifts from Wellspring. They grew out ok, but, of course took a long time to establish, while, when I buy a fat chunk of a growing canna rhizome from a regular gardener, it always explodes with growth.
I just saw an ad for a white canna yesterday. Yes, they were rare a couple of years ago, but ... things change. They aren't hard to find now.
Y'all make your own decisions, but, for me, the attempt at deception here speaks for itself.
Just a bunch of nursery owners trying to stur it up junk. Floridahillnursery rocks... Hands down. All these growers worring about Florida hill says it all.
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sunfish
03-28-2011, 08:13 PM
Just a bunch of nursery owners trying to stur it up junk. Floridahillnursery rocks... Hands down. All these growers worring about Florida hill says it all.
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Which growers are they ?
SilkKnoll
03-28-2011, 08:19 PM
<-------- not a grower or a seller, ever.
In the interest of full disclosure, I am thinking about selling some oriental lily bulbs..... but no TCs, and I wouldn't be competing with banana growers.
cherokee_greg
03-28-2011, 08:33 PM
"Hey buellracing01, why continue the charade? Given that my PayPal payment for the plants I ordered from Florida Hills Nursery went to someone with the email address buellracing01@... it seems pretty clear to me that you are the owner of Florida Hill Nursery. Why pretend that you are ordering plants from your own nursery? You did succeed in generating a few sales, and I am happy with the plants you sent, but why not just come clean and tell us about your business?"
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(Sorry, I haven't figured out how to use the Quote feature yet.)
I was suspicious from the over-the-top praise in buellracing's first post -- literally suspected it was the seller himself, but, with no proof, I couldn't say anything other than what I had already said -- that I had online gardening and trading friends who had had very different experiences.
I can't help but wonder about Cherokee Greg also, since these two have been making similar posts and consistently thanking each other, while receiving thanks from no one else.
Now that he has decided to attack another seller, I can answer specifically from my own experience of buying plants from Donovan at Wellspring. His plants are grown out in those tall, skinny, rectangular pots with a nearly open bottom, which allows for a larger root system while saving the grower in surface space. The plants I bought were small, but had big root systems and thrived in transition. The ones that failed were Colocasia Nancy's Revenge, which I've always had trouble with.
Donovan shipped the plants in their pots, solidly filling the box with no room for shifting. If my order didn't fill the box, he added bonus plants (usually cannas) to fill the box completely. He put stakes in each pot that wedged the pot against the top of the box, so they wouldn't slip if the box was turned upside down.
I found the packing strategy pretty ingenious.
Donovan was honest and would tell me how long he had had the plants, which was helpful to me because, as I wrote, I choose not to buy TCs that have not been in a normal greenhouse (non-laboratory) environment for less than two months. That way, I don't have to deal with acclimatizing the test-tube babies to common garden conditions (and bacteria).
I still strongly prefer to buy from someone who is selling natural offsets, and, when they are regular gardeners -- not commercial growers -- they often sell them -- or even HAVE TO sell them -- at the same prices as the commercial growers, simply because of the competitive environment.
The only cannas I've received from TCs were the gifts from Wellspring. They grew out ok, but, of course took a long time to establish, while, when I buy a fat chunk of a growing canna rhizome from a regular gardener, it always explodes with growth.
I just saw an ad for a white canna yesterday. Yes, they were rare a couple of years ago, but ... things change. They aren't hard to find now.
Y'all make your own decisions, but, for me, the attempt at deception here speaks for itself.
What about me ? Im just a gardner love plants. I been away for awile due to getting radiation and chemo. Feeling better now. I love to grow all kinds of plants.
any thing else you want to know ? Just ask
venturabananas
03-29-2011, 12:12 AM
Shawn (buellracing01), I'm not sure what you are so worked up about. The deception isn't working. It's clear you are the owner of Florida Hill Nursery. You should have just been honest about that up front. The folks on bananas.org (including me), are always looking for new sources of banana plants. You've got a great selection at good prices. As I said, I'd give your business the thumbs up (prior to finding out that you were posing as a customer). The plants you sent me were very nice for the price.
The folks I mentioned as sources for bigger plants either gave them to me or sold them to me for minimal profit, to support their expenses as hobbyists.
No, I am not an administrator on this site. Just a guy who is interested in growing bananas in a place that isn't perfect for them. There is no question that you know more about growing them than I do -- I'm just figuring this all out.
musaboru
03-29-2011, 12:46 AM
I ordered from Florida Hill last fall. I got a Glui Kai, Siam Ruby and FHIA 18 also. And the plants I received were not that different from Wellsprings that I've ordered in the past.
You get what you pay for. With both of these sellers, you are getting TC plants and IMO are not particularly vigorous no matter what. Especially when they are grown in puny containers. It's just as bad if they have been there for months are are extremely root bound or still have a weak root system. In my experience, they require extra care and attention or else they can die on you.
If banana sellers would bother repotting these TC plants into band pots or 1 gallon and sell them for like 5 dollars more, then this would be so much better for survival rate than those tiny 2 inch or so pots.
With that said, I would still buy these TC plants because they're so cheap and worth the risk for me. I've lost many but I didn't pay that much for them either. There are more expensive sources and for quality, you get what you pay for.
Also, I'm not saying these vendors are bad people. I'm glad they are there to give us more choices to buy. They ship fast and I get my stuff. Wellspring even replaced a banana which I strongly believe was the wrong plant for free. So...
One more thing: I figured out growing them in a drip system (hydroponics) will perk them up really good and produce good root growth. But I'm not sure how they'll respond when you transfer them back to growing in soil...
buellracing01
03-29-2011, 06:53 AM
Ventura, I'm worked up over the fact that this site is about growing bananas and people that like to grow bananas, not trying to uncover some Nancy Drew Freekin' plot. You'all need to grow up and talk about plants. I love to garden and do well at it. After all you've said about me My offer still stands on helping you grow your bananas better in your particular climate. If you actually want to talk about bananas and how to improve your technique I can help you.
P.S. Floridahillnursery.com rocks.
buellracing01
03-29-2011, 07:02 AM
I agree Musaburo. It also depends on the time of year you buy them, if you buy tc plants in August there is a chance that they will fry (so you will have to pot them up and get em stronger) but if you buy and plant outdoors in the spring you will get closer to a 100% survival ratio. So in closing Its the buyers growing experience and time of year that determines the survivability rate When comparing tc plants to established plants. For my money and growing experience I will take the TC plants all day long.
buellracing01
03-29-2011, 07:12 AM
Does anybody know where I can get an Ae Ae (for less than an arm and a leg) Im dying to get one in my garden. TC cloners cant reproduce this one due to the variegation being lost in the cloning process. Not yet anyway...
buellracing01
03-29-2011, 07:45 AM
Sikknoll, LOL dude where do you get you info from tissue culture is like a seed its planted then it grows when its big enough its sold the same way the other plants are. They spend a around a week in a clean environment then they are sprouted and grown in a regular greenhouse to term. Dude I really think you are mixing up your info from too many sources.
Here is some info from the guys that really know.
Plant Tissue Culture (http://www.accessexcellence.org/LC/ST/st2bgplant.php)
buellracing01
03-29-2011, 08:05 AM
Musaboro, RE; hydro, What type of media are you using coco coir. The reason I ask is that the coco Coir will adapt well to soil conditions when transplanted. If you water them in with the same nutrients you were using to feed them during the hydro process you should be fine. Just make sure its a diluted ratio as to stimulate new root growth.
MediaHound
03-29-2011, 08:28 AM
Buellracing01, the biggest thing that isn't appreciated is lying about who you are. Your email address matches up with the owner of FloridaHillNursery.com and your IP address' location matches up with the location of the nursery (about 4.8 miles from it).
Are you ready to come clean and apologize for attempting to dupe the members of our community that you are not a "roofer" as your title states, but infact from the very nursery you claim to be merely a customer of? Or do you actually plan to continue your claims and parade?
buellracing01
03-29-2011, 11:44 AM
Tally-hoe, Finally the admin shows his real face. What does it matter who's who here. what are we in the 30/'s who uses the word Dupe? Talk about bananas or can all you do is endorse people that pay for your endorsement and trash people that you don't. I mean lets get it out in the open. I'm hear to talk about bananas... Are you proud of the size of the banana bunch you are holding? LOL. Unless you want to talk about bananas I'm not interested in your Roderick. Keep your poison and snake oil to yourself.
buellracing01
03-29-2011, 11:47 AM
Tally man what the hang are you teaching these folks in here? I've never seen more miss-information in my life.
natej740
03-29-2011, 11:51 AM
You need to sticky this thread this is hilarious!!!!LMFAO!!!
buellracing01
03-29-2011, 11:52 AM
I stand by my conviction Floridahillnursery.com is the best source for bananas. Everything Ive bought has grown well.
natej740
03-29-2011, 11:54 AM
And BTW Florida Hill Nursery stole coast crabs pic of his Musa Thai Black off of here and put it on there website to sell Thai Blacks...kinda messed up didn't even ask him to use it!
buellracing01
03-29-2011, 11:55 AM
I ordered from Florida Hill last fall. I got a Glui Kai, Siam Ruby and FHIA 18 also. And the plants I received were not that different from Wellsprings that I've ordered in the past.
You get what you pay for. With both of these sellers, you are getting TC plants and IMO are not particularly vigorous no matter what. Especially when they are grown in puny containers. It's just as bad if they have been there for months are are extremely root bound or still have a weak root system. In my experience, they require extra care and attention or else they can die on you.
If banana sellers would bother repotting these TC plants into band pots or 1 gallon and sell them for like 5 dollars more, then this would be so much better for survival rate than those tiny 2 inch or so pots.
With that said, I would still buy these TC plants because they're so cheap and worth the risk for me. I've lost many but I didn't pay that much for them either. There are more expensive sources and for quality, you get what you pay for.
Also, I'm not saying these vendors are bad people. I'm glad they are there to give us more choices to buy. They ship fast and I get my stuff. Wellspring even replaced a banana which I strongly believe was the wrong plant for free. So...
One more thing: I figured out growing them in a drip system (hydroponics) will perk them up really good and produce good root growth. But I'm not sure how they'll respond when you transfer them back to growing in soil...
:08::08::08::08::woohoonaner:
sunfish
03-29-2011, 12:08 PM
I stand by my conviction Floridahillnursery.com is the best source for bananas. Everything Ive bought has grown well.
:pics::woohoonaner:
Bermy nana
03-29-2011, 12:43 PM
Tally-hoe, Finally the admin shows his real face. What does it matter who's who here. what are we in the 30/'s who uses the word Dupe? Talk about bananas or can all you do is endorse people that pay for your endorsement and trash people that you don't. I mean lets get it out in the open. I'm hear to talk about bananas... Are you proud of the size of the banana bunch you are holding? LOL. Unless you want to talk about bananas I'm not interested in your Roderick. Keep your poison and snake oil to yourself.
You are not doing yourself any favors. How about an apology for being deceitful. If you are a good businessman you would save face and try to make amends with all the users you have insulted and who were/are potential customers. You could have used this forum ethically to generate business and even offer the forum users a discount like other users/businesses have. It matters who you are because if you can't tell the truth about yourself then why should we believe anything you say.
MediaHound
03-29-2011, 12:57 PM
Bermy, unfortunately for him, he lost the opportunity to post an apology. He's no longer a member of our community. I exposed his false testimonials and gave him a clear opportunity to come clean about them and he spit in my face. I didn't report them to the FTC, though, but any of you guys/gals are more than welcome to.
MediaHound
03-29-2011, 01:21 PM
Now he wants this thread removed, boo hoo. For all the times he dropped the name of his website into this thread, now he is probably afraid people will search for his site and find this thread ranking for the keyword, and people will see that he is a liar (as I pointed out) and thief (as natej740 pointed out).
This was the email I just got from him:
"Dear Admin you have released personal information about me on your site. This is in violation of Apmex/credit card rules and regulations let this serve as a cease and desist. I hereby insist you Remove any thread you may have created in regards to my personal information likeness or name hereby know as subsidiaries including but not limited to Floridahillnursery.com llc and its entities. Please let this serve as notice."
In addition to the above traits, you are obviously quite delusional, too, buellracing01.
Cry me a river! Good riddance to you! Go away.
MediaHound
03-29-2011, 01:25 PM
Keep it up, Buell
"At what point will the thread be removed. Please advise as legal action against your organization will follow shortly. I suggest you move quickly as I am receiving hardship from your actions."
natej740
03-29-2011, 01:28 PM
ROFLMAO!!!!!!sticky sticky sticky
sunfish
03-29-2011, 04:02 PM
Check out the last post
Spring Hill Nursery - Garden Sources Forum - GardenWeb (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/sources/msg0419285021253.html)
I was enjoying lurking on this one and hoped he could have told me how to grow bananas in my climate as advertised.:lurk: I've heard it can't be done!:ha:
Can't even begin to understand why someone would do this......?
Was very entertaining for the non growing season here though.
venturabananas
03-29-2011, 05:08 PM
It is hard to understand why he would attempt the deception given that other folks who sell banana plants post openly here and there is no rule against doing that. I'm kind of bummed really. As I said, the plants he sent me were nice for the price and he has a very wide selection. But seriously, posting under the same username as the email address for your business when you are trying to pretend that it's not your business?!
ron_mcb
03-29-2011, 05:11 PM
i was seriously wondering about the guy.. i was wondering if anyone else had any issues with him or it was just me.. after seeing this, i don't think he can even acknowledge wrong doing on his part. . my first dealing with him i was thinking this is a person with dissociative personality disorder. i was trying to resolve an issue with him then next thing you know im talking to "different people" who had no idea about what was going on. i think this is a one person operation(just him). i could be wrong.
the Shawn personality was OK to deal with..the buell racing personality is off his meds.
i don't see why he couldn't just say ok guys i have a nursery and i would like for you to buy from me.. its simple,no big deal.. there are a few people on this site with nurseries.. if he owned a certain south GA nursery he would have reason in not wanting to admit ownership. i don't get it.
i think he/she has lots of these identities so i would be careful..
Geesh! Talk about shooting your self in the foot!:rollerbananadone:
MediaHound
03-29-2011, 05:14 PM
Right, he was more than welcome to say "Hey this is my nursery and I am here to answer all your questions and hopefully earn your business as a customer".. but after parading as he did and flat out being a jerk I was faced with no other choice. So, we nipped it in the bud before more problems and oddities started to surface. On with the snake oil peddling, shall we? ?
hydroid
03-29-2011, 07:00 PM
There's an old prayer that goes something like this " Oh Lord, help me remember that the toes I step on today, may be attached to the butt I have to kiss tomorrow.
hydroid
kaczercat
03-29-2011, 07:08 PM
Right, he was more than welcome to say "Hey this is my nursery and I am here to answer all your questions and hopefully earn your business as a customer".. but after parading as he did and flat out being a jerk I was faced with no other choice. So, we nipped it in the bud before more problems and oddities started to surface. On with the snake oil peddling, shall we? ?
Hey Jarred.
I was just readin old threads, the eric/seaner one. there have been a few crazies on here. what a thread this was ! ohh btw I hope you dont mind me asking but why was Lorax banned? I just saw a post from a thread in 2009.
Bermy nana
03-29-2011, 07:09 PM
Hey Bo. Glad to hear you are back home. Shame your bananas are looking rough. Thanks for the laugh that was a good one!
James
hydroid
03-29-2011, 07:56 PM
Hey James, I thought you would like that, he he:ha:
MediaHound
03-29-2011, 08:00 PM
Matt, she was initially hired as the editor of our magazine. All went good for the first few issues. She combined #3 and #4 into one issue for some reason. Then when we got ready for Volume 2 she tried to steal the entire operation: the name of the magazine, the membership, images and content for her spawned attempt, etc.. The list goes on. She had the gusto and went as far as diverting the magazine payments to her account instead of ours. And if that wasnt bad enough, not even delivering to the buyers. The list goes on. Lorax (Beth) is also a liar and a crooked thief, two-faced and probably two-headed as well. She was a good friend at first and turned to be a snake in the grass. Good riddance to her as well. Poo
john_ny
03-30-2011, 07:59 AM
Well, this has been an interesting thread. BTW, Tony (Sunfish), Spring Hill and Florida Hill are two different operations. Spring Hill appears, sometimes, in the ads here. Over the years, I've heard decidedly mixed reviews about them, also.
natej740
03-30-2011, 08:06 AM
john he was saying to look at the last comment on that thread it's by our buddy buellracing...posing as a customer again and deceiving more people!
john_ny
03-30-2011, 08:23 AM
Thanks, Nate. Missed that first time around.
Planter56
03-30-2011, 01:51 PM
I remember ordering from Spring Hill many years ago. When I got the plants in the mail, I would say that 95% of them were moldy, or dead and I think some were even missing the plants that were inside the container. I remember I got one plant that all that it was was a very small root attached to a very small piece of stem. I'm talking less than 1/8" here. The rest of the plants died. I never got a refund from them even after sending pictures of what was recevied.
My neighbor had ordered from them as well last year. It was a larger order that arrived in March, which up here in Buffalo, is still technically winter as the ground was still frozen and unworkable. By the time Apri got here, just about everything was dead except 1 foxglove and 3 other small prennials. The three rose bushes that she got were dried up. I put them in a bucket of water for her, just in case. But they just rotted.
After my experience I'll never order from them. Most of the mail order places like Springhill I think are clearing houses for plants that weren't sold the year before. So they try to sell them again.
Even Wayside, who use to be a good source of plants went down the drain as well. It's so dissappointing.
:waving:
ImperialExotics
04-20-2011, 08:53 AM
You get what you pay for. With both of these sellers, you are getting TC plants and IMO are not particularly vigorous no matter what. Especially when they are grown in puny containers. It's just as bad if they have been there for months are are extremely root bound or still have a weak root system. In my experience, they require extra care and attention or else they can die on you.
Hi,
been lurking here for a bit, trying to read as many threads here as I can. This one kind of caught my attention as I was curious about this vendor.
I chose to reply to this post as my very first post here because of the above quoted text.
I have noticed what seems like a 'mistrust' of plants grown by TC here, just the tone of a few posts I've come across.
I'd have to disagree with the assertion that TC plants are any less vigorous than dirt grown pups, cuttings seeds etc. In fact it has been my experience that TC plants can produce amazing growth and vigor if simple steps are taken when you get them. I have many thousands of TC plants, and if acclimated properly, key word being properly, TC plants are no different than other plants. In fact I personally prefer TC raised plants as they avoid numerous diseases out there in the hobby. I heard something along the lines of 80% of orchids tested have a rather nasty virus that gets the orchid people worried.
I've heard the same with numerous types of houseplants. I know a grower that lost a substantial volume of some of their houseplants of a couple genera due to disease. Cuttings and pups from diseased plants are still diseased.
TC plants don't require months to adapt to 'normal' conditions. Some very light care of new plants from a vendor is all that is required. a week or two indoors is usually sufficient. I keep new plants in a temperature controlled space, mist frequently, and of course pot 'up' to an appropriately sized container on arrival.
Now in the sake of full disclosure, yes I am a dealer. And yes, I deal in TC plants.
I actually got into plants as an offshoot of raising Dart Frogs. I really had no interest in plants initially, but once I started 'landscaping' my terrariums, things kind of spiraled out of control, and next thing I knew I had everything from jewel Orchids to trees.
chong
04-20-2011, 10:02 PM
Hi,
been lurking here for a bit, trying to read as many threads here as I can. This one kind of caught my attention as I was curious about this vendor.
I chose to reply to this post as my very first post here because of the above quoted text.
I have noticed what seems like a 'mistrust' of plants grown by TC here, just the tone of a few posts I've come across.
I'd have to disagree with the assertion that TC plants are any less vigorous than dirt grown pups, cuttings seeds etc. In fact it has been my experience that TC plants can produce amazing growth and vigor if simple steps are taken when you get them. I have many thousands of TC plants, and if acclimated properly, key word being properly, TC plants are no different than other plants. In fact I personally prefer TC raised plants as they avoid numerous diseases out there in the hobby. I heard something along the lines of 80% of orchids tested have a rather nasty virus that gets the orchid people worried.
I've heard the same with numerous types of houseplants. I know a grower that lost a substantial volume of some of their houseplants of a couple genera due to disease. Cuttings and pups from diseased plants are still diseased.
TC plants don't require months to adapt to 'normal' conditions. Some very light care of new plants from a vendor is all that is required. a week or two indoors is usually sufficient. I keep new plants in a temperature controlled space, mist frequently, and of course pot 'up' to an appropriately sized container on arrival.
Now in the sake of full disclosure, yes I am a dealer. And yes, I deal in TC plants.
I actually got into plants as an offshoot of raising Dart Frogs. I really had no interest in plants initially, but once I started 'landscaping' my terrariums, things kind of spiraled out of control, and next thing I knew I had everything from jewel Orchids to trees.
I concur with your assertions on the viability and adaptability of TC plants. However, adaptation of a week or two is a bit of a stretch. I've grown hundreds of TC'd bananas, and dozens and dozens of pups, and found that the pups grow faster than the TCs. Now, mind you, I talking about growing them in pots in a greenhouse, since I live in Seattle, WA. Growing TCs in controlled environment would definitely increase their viability and adaptability. But not everyone has this luxury. On the other hand, pups can take a certain amount of abuse that would otherwise destroy TC'd banana seedlings.
In regards to diseased plants, again, I would concur. This is where the TCs have an advantage over field grown pups. However, diseases of bananas are not prevalent in the USA(mainland) grown bananas, so that the risk of diseases are minimal.
I'm not saying one is better than the other. And I would again concur that berating TC plants is inappropriate. I would say that TCs and separated pups have advantages and disadvantages. Although, I would agree with those who claim that pups would bear fruit faster than TC plants.
ImperialExotics
04-20-2011, 11:20 PM
I concur with your assertions on the viability and adaptability of TC plants. However, adaptation of a week or two is a bit of a stretch. I've grown hundreds of TC'd bananas, and dozens and dozens of pups, and found that the pups grow faster than the TCs. Now, mind you, I talking about growing them in pots in a greenhouse, since I live in Seattle, WA. Growing TCs in controlled environment would definitely increase their viability and adaptability. But not everyone has this luxury. On the other hand, pups can take a certain amount of abuse that would otherwise destroy TC'd banana seedlings.
To clarify here.......
A grower, for sake of discussion we will use Agri-Starts as our example since they were mentioned previously.... and we all know that is where the vendor who was the subject of the thread gets his plants...
Anyways, the grower/lab will put their plants through a hardening off period before they sell them to a distributor. Usually a minimum of two weeks. A number I find works perfectly well for many species, in my case Jewel Orchids.
By the time the hobbyist gets the plants, they have been out of culture, out of the lab, and out of any specialized humidity enclosures for an average of at least 3 weeks. Longer if you are getting a plant advertised as being 6-16 inches.
For the end user just receiving plants from a dealer, like the first post I responded to, The end user/customer taking a two week period so as to take extra care in acclimating their new plants, combined with the time they have already been out in a greenhouse/grow house should in MOST cases be more than sufficient.
proletariatcsp
04-25-2011, 01:38 AM
Although individuals with NPD are often ambitious and capable, the inability to tolerate setbacks, disagreements or criticism, along with lack of empathy, make it difficult for such individuals to work cooperatively with others or to maintain long-term professional achievements.[11] With narcissistic personality disorder, the individual's self-perceived fantastic grandiosity, often coupled with a hypomanic mood, is typically not commensurate with his or her real accomplishments.
The exploitativeness, sense of entitlement, lack of empathy, disregard for others, and constant need for attention inherent in NPD adversely affect interpersonal relationships.
People who are diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder use splitting as a central defense mechanism. They do this to preserve their self-esteem, by seeing the self as purely good and the others as purely bad. The use of splitting also implies the use of other defense mechanisms, namely devaluation, idealization and denial. -wiki
Th|s was entertaining while it had lasted. Hmm.
ron_mcb
05-01-2011, 01:29 PM
ok i said he probably has a personality disorder and yeah its probably not dpd but in fact npd is more likely..
if you have bought from this guy before and you haven't had any problems dont let this incident affect your decision to buy from him. despite a little friction between the two of us concerning his social skills?? he's not as bad as some of the nurseries i have dealt with in the past...
i see a few people are commenting on a thread praising the nursery and his service.. go right ahead. truthfully him being removed was probably necessary, but i wish this whole thing would not have happened... i tried to warn him but it seems he was too far gone.
i dont know how everyone else feels about having an extreme narcissist on the board. i really dont think i would be bothered by him knowing his situation and that its probably not intentional. others may feel it would create lots of friction here .
Lancelot
05-01-2011, 03:59 PM
I've ordered a couple times and have had no problems. All of the bananas are still alive. So is the loquat. I bought 3 elephant ears, only 1 is growing, but I was told if they did not go dormant but DOA, that they would be replaced.
I totally agree Ron, I am one who has bought tons of product from him, and still do, and was wondering why in hell he was touting his business as a very loyal customer. His behavior was totally unprofessional and bush league.
venturabananas
05-01-2011, 05:29 PM
Yes, too bad and too weird. In my limited experience, it seems like he knows what he's doing with plants. The three banana plants I bought from him are all doing great -- certainly better than the smaller TC plants I received from another vendor mentioned above.
Dreaminofthetropics
05-20-2011, 08:11 PM
Wow wow wow... I don't know what to say about this thread.... I was going to buy from them, but now I'm not sure if I want to. I am close by in Florida so my temperature and climate is probably similar so I'm not sure I might have some of the mentioned issues. However seeing his behavior really makes me wonder if I want to spend my money with him. Any other TC vendors that are reasonably priced with EEs and Bananas?
Kat:waving:
cheson74
05-20-2011, 08:44 PM
Brian's Botanicals. He has good prices and plants are very healthy. I bought a Thai Black and Jack's Giant EE from him several weeks ago.
Brian's Botanicals items - Get great deals on Hardy tropical's, Colocasia items on eBay Stores! (http://stores.ebay.com/Brians-Botanicals)
Brian's Botanicals (http://www.briansbotanicals.net/)
cherokee_greg
05-20-2011, 08:58 PM
Wow wow wow... I don't know what to say about this thread.... I was going to buy from them, but now I'm not sure if I want to. I am close by in Florida so my temperature and climate is probably similar so I'm not sure I might have some of the mentioned issues. However seeing his behavior really makes me wonder if I want to spend my money with him. Any other TC vendors that are reasonably priced with EEs and Bananas?
Kat:waving:
Brian has good plants like someone just told you
This lady has some good things
ELDON ACCESS.COM (http://www.eldonaccess.com/main.sc)
Sandy has nice plants shes here on the org.
here is another
Welcome to Going Bananas of Homestead, Florida! (http://going-bananas.com/)
Dreaminofthetropics
05-20-2011, 09:27 PM
Brian has good plants like someone just told you
This lady has some good things
ELDON ACCESS.COM (http://www.eldonaccess.com/main.sc)
Sandy has nice plants shes here on the org.
here is another
Welcome to Going Bananas of Homestead, Florida! (http://going-bananas.com/)
Thank you, Greg the eldonaccess lady is actually less than 30 minutes from me! So, I've emailed to see if I can go see what she has as I'd much rather go see in person of course! :nanadrink:
ron_mcb
05-21-2011, 08:36 PM
well i was banned from Florida hill the first time for confronting him online. im still banned.. now i see what could be the root cause for his behavior. i felt a little sorry for the guy that's all...call it pity.
yeah there are lots of people on this site to order from.. sunfish was selling big corms..i got several plants from him that are alive and we are approx 2,300 miles apart... Ive received dead plants shipped to me from sellers as close as 300 miles away.
there are people selling starter plants i think you guys have named them all.. i just saw jimmmy online recently. ive never ordered from him but i see people praising him. dont know if he will be selling plants this year. but you can ask.
raggedyredhead
05-21-2011, 09:10 PM
well i was banned from Florida hill the first time for confronting him online. im still banned.. now i see what could be the root cause for his behavior. i felt a little sorry for the guy that's all...call it pity.
yeah there are lots of people on this site to order from.. sunfish was selling big corms..i got several plants from him that are alive and we are approx 2,300 miles apart... Ive received dead plants shipped to me from sellers as close as 300 miles away.
there are people selling starter plants i think you guys have named them all.. i just saw jimmmy online recently. ive never ordered from him but i see people praising him. dont know if he will be selling plants this year. but you can ask.
I can't believe this!!! I was banned from ever buying from Fla Hills because of my post. My orig. post was a kudos to Fla hill. I later read all the negative posts. I posted again stating that my post can be removed and I wasn't aware of these problems. I purchased plants from ebay. She wrote and informed me I am banned from buying from her. At first I felt really bad,because I was pleased w/plants. Then I realized this person was real trouble. I wouldn't want to deal with her again!!! Her loss!!! I'll spend my money elsewhere.:woohoonaner:
ron_mcb
05-22-2011, 02:17 AM
I can't believe this!!! I was banned from ever buying from Fla Hills because of my post. My orig. post was a kudos to Fla hill. I later read all the negative posts. I posted again stating that my post can be removed and I wasn't aware of these problems. I purchased plants from ebay. She wrote and informed me I am banned from buying from her. At first I felt really bad,because I was pleased w/plants. Then I realized this person was real trouble. I wouldn't want to deal with her again!!! Her loss!!! I'll spend my money elsewhere.:woohoonaner:
i was banned way before this post was ever made.. in a way still feel sorry for the guy.
this guy reminds me of a welder from around my area. . he is very eccentric. i have heard someone say something about his behavior but i really needed something welded on a piece of equipment.
after he looked at the job i saw his whole mood change and it looked like he was angry at something.. he stormed away and his assistant followed. i asked his assistant if he was busy with something (shop looked empty). he said no hes taking off.. i asked if he meant to lunch. the assistant said no he's just leaving. i got pissed because i waited 30 minutes for this guy to even look at the job.now he's just taking off?? i saw him get into his truck with a confused look on his face(mood change again). i walked over to him and told him that i was taking my business elsewhere and i told him how unprofessional he was.
he didnt even respond.. he put his truck into gear and floored it into the main street. i thought he was gonna turn the thing over.. all you could smell was burnt rubber. it was like something from a movie.
his wife who was managing the office stepped outside. i guess she probably heard the tires being peeled from inside her office?? she asked if he was acting up again?
she may have called it acting up but i call it having a psychotic episode. i didn't know this guy has serious issues like this. i would have just left. he could have ran into a family and or killed a pedestrian during this incident. i would have felt partly to blame if it did happen.
for the most part the guy was fully capable of performing he was in business several years but he had issues that got in the way sometimes. certain things set him off.
bananimal
05-23-2011, 12:05 AM
Ron -------- Whackos are everywhere! My folks used to say "there's one on every block".
Down here in south Florida the proportion is a bit higher.
Read anything by Hiassen for the details. Especially "Double Whammy".
Dan
cherokee_greg
05-23-2011, 08:42 PM
I did get these from Florida Hills they look very nice dwarf red and truly tiny
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=42986&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=42986&ppuser=5959)
alanp
12-28-2011, 10:52 AM
Don't know what has happened to floridahillnursery, but it is not good. I purchased 4 bananas and 5 blueberries late November and the bananas were tiny, maybe 4-6 inches and very sad looking upon arrival. It was cold that week (even here in sunny Los Angeles) and 3 of the 4 plants did not survive the trip. I have sent 10 emails to floridahill nursery with no response. Numerous phone calls again with no response. I guess internet only means just that.
Here's the funny part. The day after my bananas arrived in the mail, my local Garden Center (Armstrong) started a tropical plant sale at 70% off. I ended up with 4 different banana plants in 7 gallon containers (3-5 feet tall) all priced in the $8-10 range. Needless to say, they are all doing great.
sunfish
12-29-2011, 09:51 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=florida%20hill%20nursery%20reviews&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums2.gardenweb.com%2Fforums%2Fload%2Ffruit%2 Fmsg0623382315982.html%3F27&ei=9Hz8TvP-DabWiAK6742iDg&usg=AFQjCNHYWGf2F2W66tQ3uxAFwFBAYdxVtQ&cad=rja
natej740
12-29-2011, 02:38 PM
The beginning of this thread is hilarious. I'm glad its back from the dead to let everyone know that they are frauds. Don't order from them!!!
smurf428
12-31-2011, 08:37 PM
I bought 2 basjoo bananas and i believe 6 elephant ears from florida hill. The plants were small but i knew they would be as it was listed in teh info, but for the price i paid i was fine with it.. All my plants made it through the short time i had them in the summer except one but that was my fault. I've kept them in my cheap made greenhouse and so far they are all still green. I will order from them again cause i dont mind getting a smaller plant as longs the cost reflects it.. I'm new to the US and am starting all over again so the cheaper the better, even if it takes the plant some time to catch up..
PR-Giants
04-01-2012, 09:48 AM
Your self-promoting tactics are a bit disingenuous, but you do sell a great product at a great price. Thanks a bunch !!!
amantedelenguaje
04-01-2012, 10:49 AM
I purchased a TC namwah from Florida Hill. The shipping was a little slow but the plant arrived as described. I've had the plant for 3 months now. It grows slower than my other non-tissue culture bananas, but all in all it is doing fine.
If you take 'nanner photos, check their site once in a while to make sure your picture hasn't been 'snagged' by their webmaster (who may actually be the owner - I'm not sure). :waving:
The main problem with Florida-Hell is not the plants, they seem typical of tissue culture plants; it was the decpetive self promotion of the owner pretending to be a customer, and then the nasty abusive response once the deception was discovered. Had the guy just come out and presented his site and products truthfully, there would have been no problem. You have to wonder why he felt the need to fool people to try to generate business. If the product is good, if the service is also good, you will get customers. No need to play games.
Abnshrek
07-07-2012, 08:59 AM
I"m certain they shipped a plumeria to me and it looked like crap. I don't think they watered it a week before it was sent to save on shipping.
blownz281
11-25-2012, 08:02 PM
Wow I will not buy from them then,was looking for the spring to get a Veinte Cohol.
pushak513
11-25-2012, 09:05 PM
I know this is about Florida hill but I was wondering about wellspring gardens. never ordered from them but they have a few things I want. anyone have any good/bad experences with them? Florida hill does have some things I want but I'll try every other source before I go that route.
ImperialExotics
11-25-2012, 09:53 PM
I've never ordered from Wellspring Gardens myself, their eBay reputation is exceptional. 46,000+ feed back, 99.7% positive.
I'd certainly feel safe buying from them, in fact, they have some stuff I'm kinda interested in getting now that you mention it...........
I know this is about Florida hill but I was wondering about wellspring gardens. never ordered from them but they have a few things I want. anyone have any good/bad experences with them? Florida hill does have some things I want but I'll try every other source before I go that route.
edzone9
11-25-2012, 10:17 PM
Floridahill Ok , I Prefer Going -Bananas !
amantedelenguaje
11-25-2012, 10:24 PM
Ive ordered vanilla, pineapple, fig, coffee, cardamom, cinnamon, bay laurel and kiwi plants from WellspringGardens. All plants were packaged securely, arrived promptly, and are growing vigorously. They offer excellent products at reasonable prices. I highly recommend Wellspring.
venturabananas
11-26-2012, 12:49 AM
I've ordered a handful of plants from Wellspring and was happy with them. They were correctly labelled (i.e., the plants I ordered, not something else), did well, and the price was right. The low price reflects the small size of the plants you get. If you are OK with small plants recently out of TC, I wouldn't hesitate to order from Wellspring.
bananas101
11-26-2012, 12:26 PM
Ive ordered several Musa, orchids, and Alocasia from Florida hills. All the plants grew and did well. However, as 2 of the banana's matured I started to notice something odd about them. 1. was a Musa dwarf orinoco 2. was a Ensete snow banana. Both looked exactly like the Ensete glaucum snow banana with thickened base. I emailed Florida hills and politely asked if there had been a mistake. They responded with "oh no, we have triple name tag checking upon shipping". Yeah, whatever....They couldnt even admit to their failure to properly tag the right species.
RookFan
11-26-2012, 11:16 PM
Ordered and received four plants from Wellspring in the past. Arrived in good shape. Small but that's what I paid for. I am good with their efforts and they seem to communicate well.
Lancelot
11-27-2012, 02:04 PM
I ordered from Wellspring Gardens several times, very nice condition plants. They also replace if there is a problem with plants not making it within reason.
banana13
03-03-2013, 01:14 PM
Lol
banana13
05-23-2013, 07:24 PM
:confused:
Kind of funny:
Any Experience with Florida Hill Nursery? - Fruit & Orchards Forum - GardenWeb (http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fruit/msg0623382315982.html)
and sad too. Shawn posted on that forum while he was posting on this one, and he portrayed two entirely different people. there, he is shawn, the owner of FHN, here, he is a "customer." wow. i really don't know what to say,the sheer, well, stupidity, of some people never ceases to amaze me. He's on that forum at the same time as this one.?.?.?
:confused:
RandyGHO
05-24-2013, 07:03 AM
I wish Wellspring had a better selection.
One point about the cheap TC places. It does offer a newbie like me a chance to give it a go without breaking the bank open.
Florida Hills plants have been good up till this year when I got a Musa Veinte Cohol that is very weak. Like others though I did get a Namwah for a blue Java
Viper1436
05-28-2013, 12:01 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but I just bought an Ice Cream from this place, I requested the biggest and most healthy one they had and they put it in the order for the picker, they were so nice and courteous. Tons of varieties too.
BANANA PLANTS,CITRUS TREES,BAMBOO,TROPICAL FRUIT PLANTS, BONSAI PLANTS,ELEPHANT EARS,ROOTS, CORMS, BULBS (http://www.oasistropicalplantsandtrees4u.com/)
Abnshrek
05-28-2013, 12:22 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but I just bought an Ice Cream from this place, I requested the biggest and most healthy one they had and they put it in the order for the picker, they were so nice and courteous. Tons of varieties too.
BANANA PLANTS,CITRUS TREES,BAMBOO,TROPICAL FRUIT PLANTS, BONSAI PLANTS,ELEPHANT EARS,ROOTS, CORMS, BULBS (http://www.oasistropicalplantsandtrees4u.com/)
Sounds like spam to me.. :^)
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but I just bought an Ice Cream from this place, I requested the biggest and most healthy one they had and they put it in the order for the picker, they were so nice and courteous. Tons of varieties too.
BANANA PLANTS,CITRUS TREES,BAMBOO,TROPICAL FRUIT PLANTS, BONSAI PLANTS,ELEPHANT EARS,ROOTS, CORMS, BULBS (http://www.oasistropicalplantsandtrees4u.com/)
-------------> Oasis Tropical Plants and Trees, is a joke of a company (http://www.bananas.org/f2/oasis-tropical-plants-trees-joke-company-15129.html#post188641)
Abnshrek
05-28-2013, 12:47 PM
-------------> Oasis Tropical Plants and Trees, is a joke of a company (http://www.bananas.org/f2/oasis-tropical-plants-trees-joke-company-15129.html#post188641)
You know what's funny I don't know how many names of Banana's that were misspelled, and pricing.. I know there is at least one incorrect picture. I should sell banana's I might make a killing if I undercut them by 15%.. Not :^)
Viper1436
05-28-2013, 01:20 PM
Dang, I wish I would have read the reviews before I ordered from them, I haven't received my order yet so I can't comment on the quality of their plants, but I will post a picture as soon as it arrives. My other plant I ordered from Wellspring, and it was in shabby condition when it arrived.
PR-Giants
05-28-2013, 01:32 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but I just bought an Ice Cream from this place.
You probably ordered an Ice Cream, but bought a Namwah from that place.
Viper1436
05-28-2013, 01:41 PM
Is there any easy way to tell just by looking at it?
uniquetanner
06-18-2013, 11:59 PM
I know this thread is old, but just wanted to put my 2 cents in.
I ordered 5 Musa Basjoo banana plants from Florida Hill Nursery. Fairly affordable. Fast Shipping. Plants packaged and protected well, arrived in great condition. Mine were all about 12" tall. I also ordered from Greenearth Publishing, and got them 2 days ago. Got a Super Dwarf Cavendish, a dwarf cavendish and a California Gold. They were $8.00 a piece, and were all about 16" tall, looking a lot nicer than the other ones I had received from FH Nursery. Very Pleased
banana13
06-19-2013, 08:55 AM
Yeah, i think it's more about the guy behind it than the quality. I think i will probably place an order there, simply because of the pricing. I don't havean unlimited budget, you know :)
venturabananas
06-19-2013, 10:23 AM
The plants I ordered from them were definitely in good condition, but they weren't the varieties I ordered. The price is right, provided you don't care if you get the right variety.
uniquetanner
06-19-2013, 10:27 AM
well, I sure hope I got the right variety. I really don't know, as this is all new to me and these were my first banana plants. guess i will find out soon
banana13
06-19-2013, 03:53 PM
The plants I ordered from them were definitely in good condition, but they weren't the varieties I ordered. The price is right, provided you don't care if you get the right variety.
What varieties did you order and what did you get?
I am under the impression that you will get the wrong variety if agristarts has the wrong variety, but are OK otherwise?
uniquetanner
06-19-2013, 04:08 PM
I posted pics on my profile, I will try to see if I can figure out how to post them here. lol
uniquetanner
06-19-2013, 04:09 PM
Here is the California Gold, and this is 1 day after I received it.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53362><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53362&size=1 border=0></a>
uniquetanner
06-19-2013, 04:10 PM
The Super Dwarf
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53360><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53360&size=1 border=0></a>
uniquetanner
06-19-2013, 04:10 PM
The Dwarf Cavendish
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53359><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53359&size=1 border=0></a>
uniquetanner
06-19-2013, 04:11 PM
and these 5 Musa Basjoo, I ordered from Florida Hill Nursery a week ago.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53361><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53361&size=1 border=0></a>
venturabananas
06-19-2013, 04:43 PM
What varieties did you order and what did you get?
I am under the impression that you will get the wrong variety if agristarts has the wrong variety, but are OK otherwise?
I don't think this one can be blamed on Agristarts -- it's none of their usual mix ups (e.g., not tall Namwah for Ice Cream).
Ordered FHIA-18, got Super Dwarf Cavendish.
Ordered Kluai Khai, got something else, looks most like Manzano, but definitely not Kluai Khai.
Ordered Cardaba, probably got Cardaba, but I got rid of it before I could be sure of what it was.
hanabananaman
10-17-2013, 10:17 AM
I ordered a few TC bananas and 2 papayas last summer from FHN. When the package arrived it looked like it had been kicked down the road all the way to my house from Florida. I could have refused delivery and sent it back and wish now I had. The PO never responded to my complaint. The TC's looked very sad and lacking nutrients and the papayas had been snapped off at 3 inches tall from 18 inches. Traded some emails with mr. wonderful and he asked me to see if the papaya would grow back before doing anything. I definitely smelled a rat at that point. Several weeks later when the papaya stems dried out and they died I was about to try calling them when I realized all my bananas had wine stains so I knew at least one of them was not what I had ordered. Started reading negative comments and figured it was not worth my time because the only thing I would have wanted was a refund and I knew that would not happen. Ordered a few more TC's from Wellspring that were MUCH healthier than the FHN crap. Do not buy anything from that clown.
eddiemunozep
10-19-2013, 05:50 PM
I ordered from them this year. ...dont know if they r reselling TC plants or not but mine r doing good and I hope that they are what I ordered...
Anyone hear of DuRoi from south Africa?
Eddie
jeffaroo
06-03-2015, 11:16 PM
One thing I'll say about Florida Hill
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=57987&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=57987&ppuser=18939)
I love this canna (Maui Punch) thing took off like a rocket as soon as it touched soil
jeffaroo
06-03-2015, 11:25 PM
From a TC straight to a 5 gallon pot. It took over the pot so quick I'm a little hesitant to put in the ground just yet. I'm going to crack her in half come fall and keep it potted for now. Beautiful plant
Going Bananas
06-03-2015, 11:53 PM
Hello everyone!
I also just ordered from FHN before I read all these comments.
I guess theyre getting better considering this thread was
resurrected from heides after a year and 8 months.
The low price was a ringer and took only
3 business days after ordering to arrive.
Im a recent member if and when I get in
the groove of this hobby
I will definitely buy the real McCoys locally.
I guess this is part of the fun of banana culture.
Besides learning the ins & outs of this hobby,
the other half is trying to find out what they really are.
Coming from palm culture, some palms will produce 2 leaves a year
while the faster ones will add 2-3 feet of trunk per year.
Imagine waiting 10-15 years for some palm to finally
produce inflorence to get a positive ID is a lesson in patience.
(Climate and growing conditions also vary per location.
The closer and the more you mimic the conditions
of its original habitat the better its survivability.)
Its rare that we get this problem with palms
but I guess thats a trade off when dealing with pups and tissue culture.
Glad to be onboard and looking forward to an excellent growing season.
Cheers everyone!
Going Bananas
06-04-2015, 12:01 AM
Just wondering if anyone who ordered TC from FHN
last year has already ID their TC
by growing to maturity and fruiting?
I purchased Dwf Brazilian, Mona Lisa, Manzano & Ice Cream.
I know problems and glitches happen
when you have a business but to perpetuate
that problem and not do anything to correct
or improve can be detrimental.
FHN...Fake Hill Nursery
or
FHN...Florida Hill Nursery
I sure hope they live up to their name
of the Great State of Florida!
I really hope they got it right already!
When was this thread originally posted?
I hope Buellracing01 is a frequent visitor!
CHEERS!
jeffaroo
06-04-2015, 11:32 AM
Havnt got any of mine from the last 2-3 years to flower yet. They seem OK for the price as long as you don't mind a surprise at flower time.
And for the love of god......... Don't ever ask for a refund. You will have better luck and better odds grafting a banana and getting it to take than getting your money back.
GreenFin
06-04-2015, 09:29 PM
I've ordered from them twice, both around the same time period 2-3 years ago. My 4-item FHN order of Dwarf Namwah, Double, Raja Puri, and Ice Cream turned out to be 4 Dwarf Orinocos after I fruited them all, but my other 3-item order of Dwarf Brazilian, Little Prince, and Glui Kai seems like it might be accurate (haven't fruited the GK yet).
I ordered several plants from them. All the plants were healthy. Nothing has bloomed yet. I know the Musa Zabrina is not the real plant, because it has no spots, and no red underside. I also ordered a Sumatrana X Gran Nain that looks kind of pink. I hope they bloom this year.
neferset
06-10-2015, 08:15 AM
So basically I shouldn't order the Dwarf Brazilian I've been looking at? Edit: I mean because it may not be. I've already been through this with "Truly Tiny" from an Amazon seller.
Snarkie
06-14-2015, 08:15 AM
I didn't know there were any hills in Florida.:confused:
:gif_esqui
Dangermouse01
06-14-2015, 09:49 AM
I didn't know there were any hills in Florida.:confused:
:gif_esqui
We have Oak Hill, Spring Hill, Howey-in-the-hills, Hill-n-Dale......and the ever popular tourist attraction Spook Hill, put you car in neutral and it will roll up hill.
We even have a Sugarloaf Mountain (not to be confused with Space Mountain at the House of Mouse).
DM
Snarkie
06-14-2015, 10:48 AM
You also have Mt. Trashmore in Homestead, which I believe is now the highest point in Florida. I seem to remember some elevation at Bok Tower as well. I know Florida isn't perfectly level; I was being facetious. Florida Hill makes about as much sense as Nepal Flats.
Going Bananas
07-25-2015, 07:13 PM
http://www.bananas.org/f12/manzano-13979.html
http://www.bananas.org/f12/manzano-12561.html
Based on the manzano threads above,
my manzano tc from FHN might be the real deal!
completely vertical newly emerged long narrow leaf...
:woohoonaner:fingers crossed!:woohoonaner:
:goteam::goteam::goteam::goteam::goteam::goteam::goteam:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58199&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58199&ppuser=20832)
As a tc, it pushes out 1 leaf a month.
This pic was taken a month ago and another leaf
is halfway up emerging.
jeffaroo
07-25-2015, 10:17 PM
I also bought a Manzano from FHN, very slow grower.
But it looks healthy
Going Bananas
07-26-2015, 12:24 AM
I also bought a Manzano from FHN, very slow grower.
But it looks healthy
My exact sentiment.
1 leaf a month so far and a skinny pencil like
trunk that hasnt fattenedned up yet.
The Brazilian I ordered is pushing out the same speed
as well but the leaf is wider.
Heres the Brazillian a month ago.
Well...Im hoping it is anyways.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58201&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58201&ppuser=20832)
Going Bananas
08-03-2015, 12:11 PM
Updated photo of the FHN supposedly Brazilian tc.
This photo taken a month after the previous post.
No vertical growth on the pseudostem after producing
3 consecutive leaves all bunched up on the apical growth point.
I was given a confirmed Brazilian pup but that one does not
have wine stain/splotches on the leaves like this one shows.
What do you suppose this is?
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58420&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58420&ppuser=20832)
8/8/15Update
Roots going through the water drain holes of the 5G pots.
I elevated the pot 2 feet off the ground by stacking pots below it.
My guess the tree liked the root zone heat provided.
So rather than vertical growth, the tree concentrated on bottom
growth explaining the picture above.
venturabananas
08-03-2015, 12:25 PM
No idea, especially given the source. TCs and water suckers of Brazilian can have wine blotches. The slow vertical growth and small leaves is pretty common after experiencing stress of some sort (e.g., shipping).
meizzwang
08-08-2015, 02:27 AM
I'm so disappointed to hear that various reputable growers here on this forum didn't receive what they ordered from Florida Hill Nursery. I ordered a dwarf brazilian, Goldfinger, and rajah psiang from them very recently and they arrived in great shape, and shipping was ridiculously fast. This great form of customer service hides the reality of what this company is doing, and I'm surprised they haven't been reprimanded for false advertisement....probably because everyone is only spending a couple of bucks, and who is going to stop them?
It's easy to defraud us with banana plants since it'll be a year or two before even an expert can verify the ID's of the banana plants.
Hopefully, the owner of Florida Hill Nursery continues to read this thread and started selling the real deal. Their reputation will catch up to them soon once this thread or other negative reviews show up near the top of google searches. Reputation is everything.
JCA433
08-08-2015, 06:20 AM
Trust is so difficult to earn but so easy to lose. People are going to remember this thread for a long time. He became angry and posted words he probably now regrets.
Going Bananas
08-08-2015, 09:49 AM
Thats the reason why I keep resurrecting this thread
to warn/advice people before they order.
That is also why my ID requests are in this thread.
Like you, I read it after I received the order.
Excellent price and fast delivery if you dont mind
what variety you're getting.
However, no complaints here with their
allocasia and colocasia that Ive ordered.
Happy Growing!
When you buy 1st generation TC plants you take a chance that their supplier labeled correctly (and had proper parent stock) and that the reseller didn't mix things up. When you purchase/trade/are gifted pups from folks who have grown plants and either identified them or had someone do so, you're most likely receiving the real deal. I recently bought 2 pups from a nursery going out of business; they were marked. Do I trust them? Not completely...but it's obvious they're Musas.
ETA: Having worked as a landscaper for an operation that maintained their own supply of plants I can tell you that it's very easy for a tag to fall out of a pot then get tucked into the "same pot" (read: one without a tag that's nearby). Installing 200 daylilies of a certain variety one year then having to redo the bed once they'd bloomed because the originals were the wrong color was an expensive lesson.
Going Bananas
08-18-2015, 08:48 PM
Looks like Fakey Hill Nursery strikes again!
My order of a Mona Lisa turns out to be
a Super Dwarf Cavendish.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58419 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58368&ppuser=20832)
Banana.org record, it took a newbie 2months
to ID this one from tissue culture.
Funny, I cant find a taste report on the
dwarf or super dwarf...I wonder why?
Good to know I didnt plant it in a prime spot
on my yard thinking it was a MLisa
nor get a really large pot for it either!
Consolation though...
Im 85% sure the tc of manzano
is correct with the near vertical newly opened
long narrow leaf and eventually long petiole.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58199&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58199&ppuser=20832)
:goteam::birthdaynana::goteam:
We've already determined the FHN version
of the ice cream as namwah.
Not worried about the Brazilian tc I ordered
since I have the real one already from Momoese.:bananas_b
Looks like Fakey Hill Nursery strikes again!
My order of a Mona Lisa turns out to be
a Super Dwarf Cavendish.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58419 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58368&ppuser=20832)
Banana.org record, it took a newbie 2months
to ID this one from tissue culture.
Funny, I cant find a taste report on the
dwarf or super dwarf...I wonder why?
Good to know I didnt plant it in a prime spot
on my yard thinking it was a MLisa
nor get a really large pot for it either!
Consolation though...
Im 85% sure the tc of manzano
is correct with the near vertical newly opened
long narrow leaf and eventually long petiole.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58199&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58199&ppuser=20832)
:goteam::birthdaynana::goteam:
We've already determined the FHN version
of the ice cream as namwah.
Not worried about the Brazilian tc I ordered
since I have the real one already from Momoese.:bananas_b
Baby plants are really hard to identify. I have several I have purchased from them that I'm still waiting for identification. Some of the plants might be real but until they flower they will be known as unknown in my banana garden. Remember just because ice-cream plants are usually tall Namwah doesn't guarantee you got a Tall Namwah plant. The only way you can tell is by the flower on the adult plant. I have purchased two Rhino Horn plants from them different years and the plants look nothing alike. :03:
jeffaroo
08-19-2015, 12:22 AM
Think of Florida Hill the same as buying a lotto ticket. Some times you win , sometimes you don't. But hey....... it's still a nanner
Going Bananas
08-19-2015, 12:26 AM
Ive been basically a LookyLeu in other members album.
under the search function, you can bring up pictures
from members album depending on the parameters you type.
In another thread on wine blotches,
members said that they are common on genes
with at least a doubleA which includes
FHIA-1,2,17,18, GMichael, Lakatan, manzano,
kluai khai, PCeylon, rajapuri, dbl mahoi, gnain, dw/reg cavendish.
Which was the case on that MLisa with the blotches.
Just type in the parameters in the search
function of the photo gallery or the forum thread.
Im not worried about the fake ice cream since
Momoese:bananas_b provided me with
3 pups of the real namwah,
3 brazilians, 2PKloteks, and 4 fhia-18.
I almost forgot CBananas:bananas_b SH3640.
I know Im going to be bzeeee this time next year separating pups!!
Im done collecting! I dont have yard space anymore!
crazy banana
08-19-2015, 01:04 AM
Ive been basically a LookyLeu in other members album.
under the search function, you can bring up pictures
from members album depending on the parameters you type.
In another thread on wine blotches,
members said that they are common on genes
with at least a doubleA which includes
FHIA-1,2,17,18, GMichael, Lakatan, manzano,
kluai khai, PCeylon, rajapuri, dbl mahoi, gnain, dw/reg cavendish.
Which was the case on that MLisa with the blotches.
Just type in the parameters in the search
function of the photo gallery or the forum thread.
Im not worried about the fake ice cream since
Momoese:bananas_b provided me with
3 pups of the real namwah,
3 brazilians, 2PKloteks, and 4 fhia-18.
I almost forgot CBananas:bananas_b SH3640.
I know Im going to be bzeeee this time next year separating pups!!
Im done collecting! I dont have yard space anymore!
Just enjoy the beauty of your FH plants, wait and see.
You also have some really good known varieties there to look forward to.
Well, and in regards of separating pups, you have gained some experience last week ;)
Just do not let them get too big.
Going Bananas
08-19-2015, 09:28 AM
CB
Thank you.
My other concern is that I have some naners planted close to young palms.
If I were to trim the mats, I dont want to risk cutting or killing palm roots.
Naner roots arent very deep either.
Can I just cut off the vertical growth of the naner
as opposed to digging them out?
But again if they are sword pups, there really
isnt much roots other than cutting off the
umbilical cord to the mother?
What happens if you cut off the vertical growth
as opposed to digging out the sword pup?
venturabananas
08-19-2015, 11:27 AM
Ive been basically a LookyLeu in other members album.
under the search function, you can bring up pictures
from members album depending on the parameters you type.
Just recall that many of the plants in those photos aren't identified correctly. I know I've posted some that weren't.
venturabananas
08-19-2015, 11:30 AM
But again if they are sword pups, there really
isnt much roots other than cutting off the
umbilical cord to the mother?
What happens if you cut off the vertical growth
as opposed to digging out the sword pup?
Sword pups usually have big corms and large root systems.
If you just cut the vertical growth, generally that pup will keep regrowing. If you gouge out the growth point at the top of the corm, it won't, but that can encourage the corm to send out more pups off the sides of the corm.
meizzwang
08-19-2015, 11:31 AM
Updated photo of the FHN supposedly Brazilian tc.
This photo taken a month after the previous post.
No vertical growth on the pseudostem after producing
3 consecutive leaves all bunched up on the apical growth point.
I was given a confirmed Brazilian pup but that one does not
have wine stain/splotches on the leaves like this one shows.
What do you suppose this is?
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58420&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58420&ppuser=20832)
8/8/15Update
Roots going through the water drain holes of the 5G pots.
I elevated the pot 2 feet off the ground by stacking pots below it.
My guess the tree liked the root zone heat provided.
So rather than vertical growth, the tree concentrated on bottom
growth explaining the picture above.
I ordered the same "dwarf Brazilian" from FHN around the same time, and here it is:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5742/19924248803_40366b681b_c.jpg
Looks very "cavendishy" to me. If Dwarf Brazilians have no winespots at any stage, then for certain, this isn't the real deal....
venturabananas
08-19-2015, 11:34 AM
Consolation though...
Im 85% sure the tc of manzano
is correct with the near vertical newly opened
long narrow leaf and eventually long petiole.
I thinks it's too hard to tell what they are when they're small. You can eliminate some possibilities, but won't really know until you have fruit in hand. For example, I was pretty sure I had a Manzano TC that turned out to be a Pome variety, when I finally tried the fruit.
PR-Giants
08-19-2015, 11:42 AM
Im done collecting! I dont have yard space anymore!
GB...if space is limited plant some of these 12. :08:
There are about a dozen cultivars that will produce 150 lbs (gross) of fruit per inflorescence in a sub-tropical or near-tropical environment, with about the same gestation period given equal environmental factors.
Wish I grew naners in the subtropics. :lurk:
venturabananas
08-19-2015, 11:55 AM
I ordered the same "dwarf Brazilian" from FHN around the same time, and here it is:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5742/19924248803_40366b681b_c.jpg
Looks very "cavendishy" to me. If Dwarf Brazilians have no winespots at any stage, then for certain, this isn't the real deal....
Dwarf Brazilian and Brazilian can have wine spots on water suckers and TC plants. But this has more of them than I would expect for Dwarf Brazilian.
Going Bananas
08-19-2015, 01:16 PM
GB...if space is limited plant some of these 12. :08:
There are about a dozen cultivars that will produce 150 lbs (gross) of fruit per inflorescence in a sub-tropical or near-tropical environment, with about the same gestation period given equal environmental factors.
Wish I grew naners in the subtropics. :lurk:
SuperHuge SH3640?
I thought it was just SH3640.
You have pics? :lurk:
What are the specific differences
with the regular SH3640?
You sure its not just a variation in growing conditions
or a totally different species/variety/mutation/strain of the regular?
Going Bananas
08-19-2015, 01:25 PM
Dwarf Brazilian and Brazilian can have wine spots on water suckers and TC plants. But this has more of them than I would expect for Dwarf Brazilian.
Looks like the same one I have...SD Cavendish.
Good thing I didnt waste, i mean...
good thing I didnt spend valuable yard space,
water, fertilizer and a stainless steel cookware pot on it.
Sounds snobbish ha? Palm culture is the same
when it comes to Washingtonias and Archontophoenix king palms.
They become so common that some
collectors consider them as weeds already!
Thank you for the advice!:bananas_b
meizzwang
08-19-2015, 02:00 PM
@venturabananas-thanks for the input, very helpful! Good news is, the plant from FHN labeled "goldfinger" doesn't look like the supposed "dwarf brazilian" so it's likely that they didn't send me 3 of the same thing.
Here's the supposed "goldfinger". I'm happy to have read that water sprouts/TC plantlets of the real goldfinger can have small amounts of winespots. Therefore, it's still possible that this plant below is the real deal (although who knows!):
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5772/20536245382_4b0e86756e_c.jpg
red edging on the petioles:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5772/20518880526_4a183e8e21_c.jpg
Greenish P-stem on this supposed "goldfinger"-the one labeled "dwarf Brazilian" seems to have some red coloration to it under the same exact conditions:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5728/19922495424_ce46c9eef7_c.jpg
Going Bananas
08-19-2015, 03:11 PM
Meizzwang
For consolation, the GFinger(FHIA-1) is a half sibbling
with FHIA-18 and SH3640.
They all have Dw Brazilian(Prata Ana) as the mother.
This one is my supposed Brazilian from FHN.
Although it is still small, it has the characteristics...
red border/outline of leaf, red midrib, frosty
and transverse ridges on leaf undersides.
I know eventually the reds diminish as the DB matures.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58420&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58420&ppuser=20832)
This might be the real deal also.
I havent researched the photo gallery yet for DBs.
meizzwang
08-19-2015, 03:30 PM
@goingbananas: it's difficult to find pictures of verified baby TC Dwarf Brazilians online (anyone have a link?) It seems as though wine spots are most prominent on baby TC plants and other water sprouts, and they fade away as the plant gets bigger.
Going Bananas
08-19-2015, 08:55 PM
Banana Gallery - All Images (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=all&page=1&si=dwarf%20brazilian&what=allfields)
Check out sunfish picture on page 3.
there is over 10 pages of dw brazilian pics
in the orgs photo gallery!
Going Bananas
08-20-2015, 07:03 PM
http://www.bananas.org/f12/blue-java-maybe-namwah-pix-healthy-17380.html
Looks like the same problem with Wellspring Nursery also...
The ice cream blue java turning out to be Thai banana namwah!
The pic looks exactly the same as the tc I received from FHN.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58213 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58212&ppuser=20832)
Picture taken a month after receiving from FHN.
Going Bananas
08-25-2015, 12:26 AM
Looks like FHN got the manzano correct...
From PRG 9/14
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=56758&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56758&si=manzano&what=allfields)
Nearly vertical newly opened
narrow leaf and long (open)petiole...
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35064&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35064&si=manzano&what=allfields)
Another vertical newly opened leaf from a pup...
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=10660&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10660&si=manzano&what=allfields)
with red blotches...
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=3577&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3577&si=manzano&what=allfields)
my manzano...
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=58199&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=58199&si=manzano&what=allfields)
hammer
09-07-2015, 08:49 PM
I have done business with Florida hills nursery for many years plants are awesome. I have one new order two mekong giant and two dwarf orinco .you can,t bet the price quality of the banana plants.
I'm glad you've had good results. I've been reading here and elsewhere about Florida Hill and have never seen a complaint about unhealthy or dying plants. I have seen many complaints about the wrong variety being sent. I don't blame them alone; they buy TCs to resell and thus are at the mercy of their suppliers to a great extent. I do believe they should be speaking up to their suppliers about this situation and perhaps being more careful once plants are received; I've seen no proof that they have acted which is why I don't plan to shop with them.
jeffaroo
09-07-2015, 10:24 PM
Yeah, but the supplier should of change a long time ago.
This tells me that he's to hungry for a good deal rather than quality. Most people wouldn't mind a dollar or two increase if the identification was better than 60% but this guy can't even hit the 30% mark
Yeah, but the supplier should of change a long time ago.
This tells me that he's to hungry for a good deal rather than quality. Most people wouldn't mind a dollar or two increase if the identification was better than 60% but this guy can't even hit the 30% markOkay, I am not blaming any reseller completely. I mentioned before that I worked for a landscaper that propagated plants for clients and tags got switched; my employer bit the bullet and did a full tear out and reinstall at their expense which, though painful financially, was proper. Florida Hill or any supplier should reimburse a buyer if plants sold by them are not the proper variety whether it's their sloppiness or not. Period. And I suspect it's often not. I know of 2 US TC suppliers. (Are there more?) Agristrarts is one. They have been told their stock of Blue Java is wrong and have been offered proper mother plants; to my knowledge they have not accepted the offer. I know there are other mistakes being made which is why I only trust DC plants; they're so darned obviously DCs. The cheap Ice Cream pup I can buy locally is a TC from Agristarts. Fake but cheap is fine sometimes. What ticks me off is that I've chosen to collect bananas which I assumed were very straightforward but they're just as screwed up as common figs which I grew for many years. Sheesh. Trained as an accountant and daughter of a physicist, I crave clarity and non nonsense. I want to grow known edibles. Celery?
jeffaroo
09-07-2015, 10:56 PM
I asked my local lowes for a ice cream and they said they ordered it. I came in weekly and kept getting a excuse for why it wasn't there. Finally the manager told me it was a vendor issue. 2 weeks later lowes had 2 dozen ice cream. I was so excited I bought 3.once I got home ready to plant I noticed the pots said DC but the stupid vendor put ice cream tags on the plants. People will do anything to slip one buy. My guess is to make the original manager happy
I asked my local lowes for a ice cream and they said they ordered it. I came in weekly and kept getting a excuse for why it wasn't there. Finally the manager told me it was a vendor issue. 2 weeks later lowes had 2 dozen ice cream. I was so excited I bought 3.once I got home ready to plant I noticed the pots said DC but the stupid vendor put ice cream tags on the plants. People will do anything to slip one buy. My guess is to make the original manager happy
I am not seeking an Ice Cream just yet or even a Manini because I'm enjoying getting by collecting free or cheap bananas just now. (Some of my best figs were obtained that way.) But if you want a true Blue Java, contact crazy banana. She lives in CA. Near you? Heck I don't know. But she has the real thing. Most people haven't a clue what they buy as long as the tag says what it is. Fine. Except that's why there's a problem--people sharing the "tagged stuff" with others and thus the confusion is perpetuated. But if you care, buy the real thing from a known source.
Snarkie
09-08-2015, 12:47 PM
Of the 2 Musa basjoos that were delivered on January 2, one is only 30" tall, while the other is close to 7' with a base diameter of close to 6". What's up with that?!
Mark Dragt
09-08-2015, 02:01 PM
I bought a Ice Cream tc 5-6 years ago. I can't remember if it was from Florida Hill or not. It's very clear it is not a Ice Cream. So reading through the pages on the org many say the suppliers send Namwahs instead. Now I am questioning if it is a Namwah. It has fruited once, and only 2 pups. I thought Namwahs pup like crazy. Do Namwahs have a waxey pstem when small. I will get a updated pict of the plant and post on the correct thread.:08:
Snarkie
09-08-2015, 02:06 PM
I bought a Ice Cream tc 5-6 years ago. I can't remember if it was from Florida Hill or not. It's very clear it is not a Ice Cream. So reading through the pages on the org many say the suppliers send Namwahs instead. Now I am questioning if it is a Namwah. It has fruited once, and only 2 pups. I thought Namwahs pup like crazy. Do Namwahs have a waxey pstem when small. I will get a updated pict of the plant and post on the correct thread.:08:Thank God for the experts on here!
Mark Dragt
09-08-2015, 02:12 PM
Thank God for the experts on here!
O yes! If we didn't have the experts, we would all have a mixed up mess. Ok, shout out time.
THANK YOU EXPERTS!!!
:goteam:
burris
12-11-2016, 02:39 PM
What time of the year can we expect our friends at Florida Hill Nursery to start offering TC plants? Anyone remember?
meizzwang
12-12-2016, 01:09 PM
Burris:just a word of caution:
1) Florida Hill Nursery is infamous for not sending the variety you ordered. Acquiring the right variety is EVERYTHING if you want to successfully produce fruit outside of the tropics. I personally bought 5 different varieties from them, not a single plant turned out so far to be what I ordered.
2) It takes some experience to successfully harden off these Tissue culture plants and get them to blooming size. If you grow indoors, be careful as I received some plants from FHN with spider mites. This isn't really an issue if you harden them off outdoors.
3) Many members (but not all) on this forum offer significantly better, larger, and healthier starting material that is accurately labeled. Verified sellers have feedback on this forum (forgot how to find it, but it's there). You may pay a little more (not always), but it's worth every cent because years of time and effort is saved by getting the right plant in the first place.
4) best time to start/plant bananas is when it starts getting warm outside and the nights aren't freezing cold.
I have never purchased from FL Hill and do not work for them but in all fairness they are merely resellers of TC musa plants that they purchase from growers who apparently are not very careful about what they've propagated. Therefore, IMO, anyone who buys from any TC seller should expect errors will occur particularly when it comes to Blue Java and some of the other "hot" varieties. With few exceptions, I'm content to fill my yard with mysteries from flea markets (cheap), local growers (often free but otherwise cheap) and the big box stores (not too pricey). However, if you have limited space and really care about what you're growing, do yourself a favor and buy from known sources here.
Snarkie
12-16-2016, 03:30 PM
I have never purchased from FL Hill and do not work for them but in all fairness they are merely resellers of TC musa plants that they purchase from growers who apparently are not very careful about what they've propagated. Therefore, IMO, anyone who buys from any TC seller should expect errors will occur particularly when it comes to Blue Java and some of the other "hot" varieties. With few exceptions, I'm content to fill my yard with mysteries from flea markets (cheap), local growers (often free but otherwise cheap) and the big box stores (not too pricey). However, if you have limited space and really care about what you're growing, do yourself a favor and buy from known sources here.Kat, that is a very good point, but when a "professional" company sells an item, it should be what they are selling. If the issue is with the supplier, then get a new supplier.
This is how lawsuits work. You sue the supplier along with the retailer, and both have to pay. I went through this with Food Lion and Gunnoe's Sausage back in 1995, when I got botulism from some bad Italian sausage. Both were legally culpable.
If Florida Hill is selling plants that they KNOW may NOT be what they are selling, they are also legally culpable under a civil suit, and could also possibly be charged with fraud in a criminal court, if this is a recurring problem.
Either way, it's bad juju.
meizzwang
12-16-2016, 04:06 PM
While I wouldn't touch any of these companies with a 10 foot pole, I wouldn't recommend anyone go out and Sue Florida Hill Nursery, Greenearth Publishing, Wellsprings Garden, etc. You'll stifle the distribution of banana plants in the US to home growers, as these are major outlets. It'll also discourage agristarts from continuing their banana program, so while these companies continue to "commit fraud" you have to ask yourself if the good outweighs the bad.
Without these shady companies who continue to ignore our feedback, I wouldn't have any of these plants which have brought a lot of joy to our family:
https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5519/29950132143_ea67c38d8a_c.jpg
Getting the right variety in the first place from reputable sources on this forum, however, brings much more joy, so if we can steer everyone in this direction, we won't need the TC suppliers anymore :)
Snarkie
12-16-2016, 04:28 PM
While I wouldn't touch any of these companies with a 10 foot pole, I wouldn't recommend anyone go out and Sue Florida Hill Nursery, Greenearth Publishing, Wellsprings Garden, etc. You'll stifle the distribution of banana plants in the US to home growers, as these are major outlets. It'll also discourage agristarts from continuing their banana program, so while these companies continue to "commit fraud" you have to ask yourself if the good outweighs the bad.
Without these shady companies who continue to ignore our feedback, I wouldn't have any of these plants which have brought a lot of joy to our family:
Getting the right variety in the first place from reputable sources on this forum, however, brings much more joy, so if we can steer everyone in this direction, we won't need the TC suppliers anymore :)Very good point, but when I place an order for SS109 NATO green tips with a carbide core, I'd damned well better get what the hell I ordered. I don't want some ball ammo instead. I want what I ordered!
If I get .223 jacketed hollowpoint, I'm gonna be pissed. Actually, I'm going to be more than pissed, because I was sent an inferior product to what I ordered and EXPECTED.
When it comes to ammo, I want what the hell I ordered. For all of you, NONE of you should expect any less than WHAT YOU ORDERED!
If I order a banana and get an orange, you're darn right I'm going to be pissed. Wouldn't you?
If I order a banana and get a flowering plantain, I'm going to be furious! Someone bent me over and gave me a nice dose of Vaseline.
Bottom line here Folks: If you pay for something, you have a reasonable expectation to receive your product in a timely manner. If you ordered a smart phone and got a jar of Vaseline instead, you know what I am talking about. How's that cut-rate China phone NOT working for ya?
Snarkie
12-17-2016, 09:36 AM
I'm off my soapbox now. :ha:
sputinc7
12-17-2016, 02:57 PM
I agree, but what are you gonna do? Is a $20 banana plant worth the headaches (and fees) of court?
I call em and tell em it's the wrong variety and they send me two more (different) wrong varieties to replace it... Never seen the like. That way you have 3 bananas you didn't really want instead of one.
I just get them from members here, now.
barbc
12-17-2016, 03:38 PM
Thumbs up here for Florida Hill. I bought Mahoi in the spring wth a 6" p-stem. My first banana. Potted it up, slowly hardened off, grew it outside for the summer and brought it into my heated basement when temps dropped to upper 30's at night, and it has started accelerating growth again. P-stem is probably 30" tall, nearly 3" diameter at the bottom and it has a pup. Mama's still throwing leaves rapidly. My TC Basjoos from another source have also done really well, better than the actual offset pups I bought from another source. So I have no issues with TCs at the moment. They've done super for me. Huge and beautiful in my daylight basement. My floor is has radiant heat set to 74 degrees and they think they've moved to the tropics. THey may get short on light by spring but for now all the leaves are dark green and amazing.
Snarkie
12-17-2016, 04:00 PM
I agree, but what are you gonna do? I've had a huge success by contacting local news media. They love to run with these stories, and the villains usually cave to avoid bad publicity.
Simply put, call them out!
Calling them out does nothing. Look at that GA company...er companies...if you want to see what complaining does when it comes to stopping them. (TyTy (sp?) and their subs.) Caveat emptor! Always in all matters is my motto. Sometimes I get snookered (as in the $17 chop saw I purchased used that may need more than brushes but will hopefully last long enough to cut the 60 FREE fenceposts I picked up after Matthew.)
Want a banana plant, buy a banana plant cheap. Want a particular musa? Buy from a known source. She may/will probably cost more but you get what you want and a pup not a TC. BTW, best fig I ever raised came from Michigan Bulb for $3 ages ago. No clue what she was but ficophiles adored her flowers and were gifted lots of figlets I'd started.
burris
12-18-2016, 11:27 AM
What time of the year can we expect our friends at Florida Hill Nursery to start offering TC plants? Anyone remember?
Anyone?
Snarkie
12-18-2016, 12:10 PM
Calling them out does nothing. Look at that GA company...er companies...if you want to see what complaining does when it comes to stopping them. (TyTy (sp?) and their subs.) Caveat emptor! Always in all matters is my motto. Sometimes I get snookered (as in the $17 chop saw I purchased used that may need more than brushes but will hopefully last long enough to cut the 60 FREE fenceposts I picked up after Matthew.)
Want a banana plant, buy a banana plant cheap. Want a particular musa? Buy from a known source. She may/will probably cost more but you get what you want and a pup not a TC. BTW, best fig I ever raised came from Michigan Bulb for $3 ages ago. No clue what she was but ficophiles adored her flowers and were gifted lots of figlets I'd started.I paid $200 for my chopsaw back in 1995, and it's still making me money. Of course, it was a DeWalt, so the quality is there. IDK what brand you bought.
Calling them out does make a difference. You just have to stick with it and contact the right people. It can be as simple as calling in to a local radio show, or filing a report with one of those TV investigations.
It's a Tradesman. Obscure brand from CT. I have a tiny task--trimming the rotten ends off of 60 fence posts I plan to use for lining my driveway and garden beds. No other need. (My neighbor would do it but I'm saving his kindness for more important stuff--he's a finish carpenter.) I have a chainsaw and Sawzall but wanted cleaner cut. Ron says it smells like the motor is going; there are sparks which I know imply brushes. I have an ancient compound miter (Craftsman) that will do 2 x 4s but not 4 x 4s.
BTW, I thought FL Hill was year round. Interesting...
ETA: They're offering banana "tree" plants now!
Snarkie
12-18-2016, 01:31 PM
There is nothing else in this world, that smells like ozone.
There is nothing else in this world, that smells like ozone.I need to get out more; that's not a scent I know.
beam2050
12-18-2016, 03:42 PM
Calling them out does nothing. Look at that GA company...er companies...if you want to see what complaining does when it comes to stopping them. (TyTy (sp?) and their subs.) Caveat emptor! Always in all matters is my motto. Sometimes I get snookered (as in the $17 chop saw I purchased used that may need more than brushes but will hopefully last long enough to cut the 60 FREE fenceposts I picked up after Matthew.)
Want a banana plant, buy a banana plant cheap. Want a particular musa? Buy from a known source. She may/will probably cost more but you get what you want and a pup not a TC. BTW, best fig I ever raised came from Michigan Bulb for $3 ages ago. No clue what she was but ficophiles adored her flowers and were gifted lots of figlets I'd started.
contact pukpukz he deals in figs, knows a lot about them. especially the exotics.:2722:
contact pukpukz he deals in figs, knows a lot about them. especially the exotics.:2722:Did figs--43 or more varieties at one point--but am done now. The one in question I called Blackie; many folks have her growing. Best guess was a Violet de Bourdeaux but who knows? I never assigned a name to my mystery figlets. Hated it when peeps did. Kinda like musas...;)
sputinc7
12-18-2016, 06:57 PM
Dropped figs like a bad habit, huh? Why?
How are those 4 pups doing? Mine are all pushing their first leaves and just started pushing about 5 days ago. It took em a while to adjust considering they had plenty of rootstock left on them and mine were planted, at least the Paggi, within 24 hours.
burris
12-18-2016, 08:04 PM
BTW, I thought FL Hill was year round. Interesting...
ETA: They're offering banana "tree" plants now!
Yep - but most varieties are sold out this time of year. It won't be long now.
Snarkie
12-19-2016, 02:42 PM
I need to get out more; that's not a scent I know.If you've ever smelled "hot machinery," then you knew the smell. You'll smell it with cordless tools, blenders, and lightning strikes.
You know the smell. That is ozone.
meizzwang
12-19-2016, 06:09 PM
What time of the year can we expect our friends at Florida Hill Nursery to start offering TC plants? Anyone remember?
It really depends on when their supplier, Agristarts, releases more material. It also depends on whether Florida Hill Nursery (FHN) gets to these starts before other buyers.
While there's no way to prove the following hypothesis, it wouldn't be shocking if FHN purchases several flats of a few varieties and then lists them as having many different varieties. When someone orders a TC start, it seems FHN selects material to ship out based on which plants look the best at the time but not necessarily what variety was ordered. This is why FHN have quite a few good reviews: buyers get a good looking plant in the mail, and think they got what they ordered. It takes 2-3 years after the purchase to verify what variety you received, and even that, it requires an expert to properly ID it.
I was happy with my purchases for months afterwards...took a while to find out the truth.....
Benefits of buying a TC start from Florida Hill Nursery:
1) Initially costs less than purchasing a corm or sword sucker (Save approx. $5-$15 per plant)
2) If you are a skilled grower, don't care what variety you get, and don't care how long it takes to produce bananas, this is a good way to acquire a desirable fruiting variety (well, most of the time they'll send you a variety that can fruit). Agristarts has released highly desirable varieties in the past.
3) TC starts typically are virus and disease free
4) they'll send you a healthy start
5) they typically ship pretty quickly.
Downside of Buying TC Starts from Florida Hill Nursery:
1) Very unlikely you'll get the variety you ordered. Even if you did, they sometimes come mutated from the tissue culture process. It usually takes years before you can ID the variety, which requires patience and access to experts. Even if you go through the whole process, you may never find out what you got because banana ID can be challenging.
2) In non-tropical climates, it takes skill and experience to harden off a TC start. Some amateur growers won't keep the start alive for more than a few weeks.
3) In non-tropical climates, expect to add at least an extra year of growing before reaching flowering size compared to starting with corms or sword suckers. You'll save $5-$15 initially, but overall it'll cost more to produce fruit from a start because of the significant extra time investment. note: This may not be true in some sub-tropical zones:it may be warm enough where your TC start will get very big the first grow season.
4) plants have arrived from FHN with spider mites.
5) In most non-tropical climates, it's difficult to get TC starts to a big enough size the first year to tolerate cool winters (keep in mind, all else equal, the larger the pseudostem, the more cold hardy the plant becomes).
beam2050
12-19-2016, 07:44 PM
I don't know but being from the Midwest I have faith of sorts about a place that is in business to sell to the general public. they have to have a reputation to keep. I think I would start with the tc people. when you sell a plant that cheap and in the great numbers that they provide you may get issues with quality control especially using poorly paid help.
sputinc7
12-19-2016, 10:21 PM
I am sorry, but... wait, I am not sorry... If you cannot sell me what I ordered, you shouldn't be in business.
Imagine Autozone selling you Ford parts for your Chevy and telling you it's the right part..How is that going to go over?
Imagine going to the grocery store and buying a chuck roast only to find out it's really horse meat... How long do you suppose they will be in business doing that?
It's just not right.
Problem is that the vast majority of people who buy them either never get them to fruit or have no idea it's not what they ordered...It REALLY irritates me. I have bought from FHN and Green earth... Never once did I get what I ordered. Not one time, and I ordered 5 plants and they sent me 2 more to replace the ones I pointed out were wrong, and all of them were the wrong plant... Even the replacements.
Snarkie
12-20-2016, 09:18 AM
...you may get issues with quality control especially using poorly paid help.Yeah, like not being able to read or understand English.
I used to run into that all the time, when I drove a tractor-trailer. Pull up to a new place, trying to find my paperwork.
"Hey, where's your Boss Man at?"
"Si! Hee-hee."
"No, where's your Boss Man at? I need to get my paperwork."
"Si, hee-hee!"
"Look, I need my paperwork, so I can get back on the road. Where's your Boss Man?"
"Si, hee-hee-hee."
"You !&#*)^*$ stupid %(&*#@)%!
Didn't understand a word of English, but they always seemed to get that last part. :2723:
Must have been my charming personality...
beam2050
12-20-2016, 09:57 AM
yeah, that's what I said. didn't want to go that far tho.
Snarkie
12-20-2016, 10:26 AM
That's okay; I'm the non-PC politician that actually says what everyone else is thinking. :p
Interestingly enough, your mentioning being from the Midwest; I was just emailing a friend of mine about the wonderful hospitality I have encountered over the years, in the Midwest. I've ended up in a couple of small towns while lecturing in nearby bigger towns, and of course I stick out like a sore thumb. No one recognizes me, so the curiosity begins. I have been invited to Sunday dinner on peoples' farms, I've stopped in at a local bar and had drinks bought, pool played for and had money pressed into my hand for the jukebox.
People speak of Southern Hospitality and it is real, but the hospitality I have encountered in the Midwest doesn't even compare. You guys are still living in an America that vanished everywhere else, almost a century ago.
beam2050
12-20-2016, 11:28 AM
yeah, we get to know em before we pick them apart. not pick them apart before we get to know em. took a friend back home from here in fl. told him not to drive like they do down here. learned a little lesson in the Tetons. about tailgating. never did get if your going to drive the same speed or slower than everybody else, get out of the fast lane.
sputinc7
12-20-2016, 03:00 PM
Yep. I thought going up to Chicago was bad until I started driving around here in Palm Bay Florida... Some of the worst driving I have ever seen, but the cops do nothing about it... They all do 80+ on the highway and weave thru traffic, too.
beam2050
12-20-2016, 03:13 PM
Yep. I thought going up to Chicago was bad until I started driving around here in Palm Bay Florida... Some of the worst driving I have ever seen, but the cops do nothing about it... They all do 80+ on the highway and weave thru traffic, too.
yes first time I drove thru Chicago I was driving a 1979 olds 88 pulling a U-Haul. it was 2 in the morning and we were on the skyway on a Saturday night.
Snarkie
12-20-2016, 04:53 PM
never did get if your going to drive the same speed or slower than everybody else, get out of the fast lane.In Washington state, if there are more than 5 vehicles behind you, you get a ticket for impeding traffic, even if you're doing 90. It was passed to combat those idiots in campers doing 25 MPH on side roads.
beam2050
12-22-2016, 12:45 PM
bought these blue java from wellspring gardenshttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61081&size=1 end of September. just got these yesterday 3 zebrine rojo left and 3 sumatrana right. http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61080&size=1 ................................................................ ................................................................ ................................................................ ......................................
JBijl
12-22-2016, 12:51 PM
bought these blue java from wellspring gardenshttp://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61081&size=1 end of September. just got these yesterday 3 zebrine rojo left and 3 sumatrana right. http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61080&size=1
7 blue Java are you going Blue Java crazy on us:0519:
beam2050
12-22-2016, 12:54 PM
I have a big yard
JBijl
12-22-2016, 01:09 PM
Real big yard i am thinking and Always a nice temp
beam2050
12-22-2016, 01:27 PM
this from the front porch. the house is in the middle of the lot. to the right is our drainfeild. no mound.http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61082&size=1
beam2050
12-22-2016, 01:41 PM
zebrinas left, sumatrana x right in pots. see the pups. 3 of em. tc. http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61079&size=1
JBijl
12-22-2016, 02:22 PM
this from the front porch. the house is in the middle of the lot. to the right is our drainfeild. no mound.http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=61082&size=1
That is real big i no one thing that you need more bananas.:bananarow:
You have a nice property thanks for the pic
I getting idea for your garden:rollerbananadone:
sputinc7
12-22-2016, 02:25 PM
I hope, for your sake, those are true Blue Javas... My Namwahs looked just like that when they were that size. Once they were set in the ground and began growing bigger leaves the pink petioles and midribs appeared, but when small they looked bluish tinted with pointy leaves. (I thought I beat the system and got the "real deals.) As a matter of fact, it looks as if your one in the middle is getting some pink already.
Sorry. Please don't kill the messenger as I, too hope I am wrong.
I recommend you contact Nick Naranja here on the board and get a Paggi... great tasting banana nobody seems to know about.
beam2050
12-22-2016, 02:41 PM
I hope, for your sake, those are true Blue Javas... My Namwahs looked just like that when they were that size. Once they were set in the ground and began growing bigger leaves the pink petioles and midribs appeared, but when small they looked bluish tinted with pointy leaves. (I thought I beat the system and got the "real deals.) As a matter of fact, it looks as if your one in the middle is getting some pink already.
Sorry. Please don't kill the messenger as I, too hope I am wrong.
I recommend you contact Nick Naranja here on the board and get a Paggi... great tasting banana nobody seems to know about.
if they are namwa I will not be disappointed. when they get big enough I will let you tell me. I will buying more next spring. end of march I plan on walking into florida hill nusery with a couple hundred bucks and buying more. also I will be buying live plants from other places. then when they get big enough I will let youall tell me what I have. wont know until the dirt settles. but you will have to be careful, I will let you critique the five red corms I bought from jp.
JBijl
12-22-2016, 03:42 PM
if they are namwa I will not be disappointed. when they get big enough I will let you tell me. I will buying more next spring. end of march I plan on walking into florida hill nusery with a couple hundred bucks and buying more. also I will be buying live plants from other places. then when they get big enough I will let youall tell me what I have. wont know until the dirt settles. but you will have to be careful, I will let you critique the five red corms I bought from jp.
The most important is that you are happy with the bananas plants
Anyone in FL who doesn't buy from members here for "tested" pups, CL (where you can probably post a picture here of fruit from the mama of what you purchase) or flea markets (total mystery IME) is a dedicated spendthrift. Beam, sprend your $100 elsewhere. Besides walking to FL Hill won't work because they don't have a brick and mortar store. If you know what you want, post a request on the forum and see what is offered. I 2nd the suggestion to contact Nick. The 4 I have from him via sputinc7 are potted and not growing quickly but I forgive them for thinking it's winter; they came from a warmer area. Once they adapt, they'll be fine I'm sure.
beam2050
12-22-2016, 04:13 PM
Anyone in FL who doesn't buy from members here for "tested" pups, CL (where you can probably post a picture here of fruit from the mama of what you purchase) or flea markets (total mystery IME) is a dedicated spendthrift. Beam, sprend your $100 elsewhere. Besides walking to FL Hill won't work because they don't have a brick and mortar store. If you know what you want, post a request on the forum and see what is offered. I 2nd the suggestion to contact Nick. The 4 I have from him via sputinc7 are potted and not growing quickly but I forgive them for thinking it's winter; they came from a warmer area. Once they adapt, they'll be fine I'm sure. thought they had a store you could walk into. shame. 7734, if they aren't what I want I will dig them up and sell at the flea market. some of the ones I really want I will do just what you all are saying to do. even buy some from gone bananas. but the amount of plants I plan to plant on this place next spring is going to be great numbers. and what I do not want to plant here I have another place just as big as this one a couple miles up the road. I had 245 pines more or less cut down a year ago and it needs a face lift. it is all oaks and maples and some fruit trees now. it could use some tropical look.
thought they had a store you could walk into. shame. 7734, if they aren't what I want I will dig them up and sell at the flea market. some of the ones I really want I will do just what you all are saying to do. even buy some from gone bananas. but the amount of plants I plan to plant on this place next spring is going to be great numbers. and what I do not want to plant here I have another place just as big as this one a couple miles up the road. I had 245 pines more or less cut down a year ago and it needs a face lift. it is all oaks and maples and some fruit trees now. it could use some tropical look.You really need to contact Nick--NOW! He's giving quantity discounts on great, known eating types because he's changing gears to grow plantains. If you make the trip, I'd be interested in purchasing a couple of his offerings or I have some spares of "maybe I know what they are" here I could trade.;)
beam2050
12-22-2016, 04:30 PM
You really need to contact Nick--NOW! He's giving quantity discounts on great, known eating types because he's changing gears to grow plantains. If you make the trip, I'd be interested in purchasing a couple of his offerings or I have some spares of "maybe I know what they are" here I could trade.;) I have near 50 pots with banana plants in them some with pups. I have more than enough to winter in the next three months. I will be buying more next spring. thanks tho.
JBijl
12-22-2016, 04:37 PM
I hear good things about Pr-Giants maby it is somthing for you .
Damm you have another place just as big, I would be crazy of the idea what to put there.
beam2050
12-22-2016, 04:54 PM
I hear good things about Pr-Giants maby it is somthing for you .
Damm you have another place just as big, I would be crazy of the idea what to put there.
all ready contacted pr-giants about one strain.
sputinc7
12-22-2016, 04:58 PM
Keep in mind the variety you want as some are not cold hardy and will never fruit so far north as you are, unless you keep them in pots and bring them in during winter.
beam2050
12-22-2016, 05:47 PM
Keep in mind the variety you want as some are not cold hardy and will never fruit so far north as you are, unless you keep them in pots and bring them in during winter. thanks, I have been watching that. and sometimes even so they might may or may not survive. I have been reading a lot on bananas. org. but you gentlemen and ladies are missing some information about me. when I am on one of my metal lathes or building a motor or building a gun or the many many things that do I am sometimes working to the tens of thousands. I have done those things for many years. now I am playing with bananas, something I have never done before. think of me as a little kid with a big sand box. you can tell me what to do and what not to do. but I have to see if fire burns. I also want to say thank you for your help and your advice and thanks to you all the bandages have come off a couple of fingers.
Hey, I'm also a kid with bananas so I get it. If you want to fill space, buy whatever and plant them. I don't know Middleburg climate but I had a DC in Jacksonville that did fine even though it snowed her 1st winter. DCs are not cold tolerant but she was planted in a protected area behind the house and against a fence plus I tarped her on the 2 or 4 nights when it was cold outside. She lost some leaves but her p-stem was fine and she recovered. In other words, if you have musas that want it hotter, you might be able to grow them just fine with advance planning. Heck, I got a zone 7 fig to produce in zone 5 Ohio after 2 years in the ground--died back to the roots for 2 winters but finally she flowered. Push the zone!
JBijl
12-22-2016, 07:33 PM
[QUOTE=Kat2;301208]Hey, I'm also a kid with bananas so I get it. If you want to fill space, buy whatever and plant them. I don't know Middleburg climate but I had a DC in Jacksonville that did fine even though it snowed her 1st winter. DCs are not cold tolerant but she was planted in a protected area behind the house and against a fence plus I tarped her on the 2 or 4 nights when it was cold outside. She lost some leaves but her p-stem was fine and she recovered. In other words, if you have musas that want it hotter, you might be able to grow them just fine with advance planning. Heck, I got a zone 7 fig to produce in zone 5 Ohio after 2 years in the ground--died back to the roots for 2 winters but finally she flowered. Push the zone![/QUOTE
I agree with that i have also plants that live in zone 10 normaly but i live in zone 7/8 whit some preparation they have no damage ore only some leaf damage
beam2050
12-23-2016, 08:23 AM
bananas are seen around here but not in great numbers in one yard. those are rare. I worked 32 years for a company and very seldom was in a yard after the first time I went there. saw 6 places in 1 day sometimes and some times spent a week. depended on what I needed to do for those particular customers. this yard is going to be planted with a lot of banana plants. landscaping on this yard will be minimal. I am extending my garage 20 ft and a 77 Camaro is going in it to be built. i am not rich, so tcs for some plants and some will be spent money on. and quite frankly most of your pics are right in the plants leaves hard to get a visual of what it looks like far off. not to mention what it will look like with other varieties around. if i don't like it or it doesn't winter next year, it feed the ones that take its place. then i will not have to work with volume. in just a few months playing in this club my tastes have been changing. we will see. and the beauty about bananas is it doesn't put out a root system that can harm a drainfeild. the corm can possibly push in the side of a chamber tho. merry Christmas.
planetrj
09-29-2019, 08:36 PM
I wanted to post an update to all of the variables in Florida Hill Nursery.
I can say I've ordered from them for a very long time, and their orders are alwasy consistent, and seemed to have even gotten better over time. Maybe more experience and more TLC which shows. I think their banana stock is TC, and that is SUPER important for me being in Hawaii. We already have enough of our own growing issues here with diseases, so it's very important that stock received is clean.
I've ordered banana TC from all over the world, doing my own due diligence as a grower isolating and not broadcasting any more problems than what aleady exists, and I've found that FHN is up there with some of the best. I'm not exactly sure what the issue is with other people ordering here. They fly across 5000 miles to Hawaii and I've never had a DOA yet. This is really the best value in a TC, and the care they take at this time is really some of the best (pre-and post packing). Everything arrived fresh and is already adapting to sunlight after 2 days since unpacking. I rate them a strong "A".
Mikemooreflorida
10-05-2019, 01:07 PM
all good with them for about 75% of the purchases (3 orders over the last year 20-25 plants/trees total). the issue is with the missing items or items that arrive damaged.. the issue is they will not respond to your issue at all.. tried calling and every email address I could find for them. NOT ONE RESPONSE, but paypal case eventually went through and I got a refund for the dead or missing items from paypal. Side note there is another TC seller in florida that is personally there to fix any issues with an order (wellspring gardens).
planetrj
10-07-2019, 08:38 PM
all good with them for about 75% of the purchases (3 orders over the last year 20-25 plants/trees total). the issue is with the missing items or items that arrive damaged.. the issue is they will not respond to your issue at all.. tried calling and every email address I could find for them. NOT ONE RESPONSE, but paypal case eventually went through and I got a refund for the dead or missing items from paypal. Side note there is another TC seller in florida that is personally there to fix any issues with an order (wellspring gardens).
WOW! I guess that there's so much variance between experiences, in BOTH cases! lol This is Uncanny!
I had purchased two times with Wellspring, and BOTH times the experience was horrific, and highly unprofessional. I had miserably DEAD DEAD (not even dying) plants - Several dead right out of the gate in my first order, and this was when I had them shipped to my sister's house in California (not here in Hawaii). They accused me of lying, accused me of abusing the plants, and ultimately I let it go, and chocked it up to a bad experience.
Fast-Forward, Several Years later (and somewhat recently), I figured: 1) They had a plant I couldn't find elsewhere... and 2) they're still in business, so they've surely worked out their personal 'kinks' in the hose - and in their shipping practices. NOPE!
I was ONCE AGAIN hit with accusatory replies, in which I explained. "Ok, you guys did this to me several years back, and I had good faith you would have handled your poor packing situation and/or employee issues."
Their response was "Oh, you're one of those who's trying to get something for nothing".
So, End Of. I've vowed they no longer exist. On the other hand, I have ordered through Florida Hill (as of this last order) 3 times, and every time, I received plants which were excellently packaged and taped nicely so they wouldn't move. Even though the box got crushed by USPS in transit, the plants arrived undamaged. This was all the way to Hawaii, so you can imagine I get LOTS of things damaged from shipping. This was the third success and not lost one plant from them so far.
So, it's bewildering to me that anyone would have bad experiences like I had with Wellspring, which I've now nicknamed (in my head) "Unwell-spring" :D
I'm glad we are all here to explain each other's issues, but I'm still scratching my head at this diametrically opposing review with WS and FH. hehe
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