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mango_kush
11-16-2010, 07:06 PM
the wiki says the old name is Velutina and the new name Daysacarpa however the USDA states the correct name is Velutina, what gives?
Musa dasycarpa information from NPGS/GRIN (http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?458622)
Taxon: Musa dasycarpa Kurz
Synonym of Musa velutina H. Wendl. & Drude
Genus: Musa section: Rhodochlamys
Family: Musaceae
Nomen number: 458622
Place of publication: J. Agric. Soc. India 14:301. 1867, nom. rej. prop.
Comment: rejection of this name will be required to preserve usage of M. velutina H. Wendl. & Drude
Name verified on: 19-Feb-2009 by ARS Systematic Botanists. Last updated: 18-Nov-2009
Markku Hakkinen
11-17-2010, 05:50 AM
Please see following from Taxon 58 (3) • August 2009: 1009:
Proposal to conserve the name Musa velutina against M. dasycarpa
(Musaceae)
Here is a part of the quotation of the published texts:
“A Google search on both names on 22 June 2009 favored M. velutina by 16,500 to 143 web documents returned and provides further evidence for this usage. Nevertheless, as clarified by Häkkinen & Väre the name M. dasycarpa is synonymous with M. velutina and has priority over this name. However, as the former name has been very rarely used we propose to conserve M. velutina against M. dasycarpa under Art. 14 of the ICBN (McNeill & al. in Regnum Veg. 146. 2006) to avoid confusion and to stabilise Musa nomenclature”.
However, the final decision of the valid names will be voted by the committee in the next year's conference Australia. That means that Musa dasycarpa is valid name for the time being.
Markku.
Jack Daw
11-17-2010, 07:46 AM
Please see following from Taxon 58 (3) • August 2009: 1009:
Proposal to conserve the name Musa velutina against M. dasycarpa
(Musaceae)
Here is a part of the quotation of the published texts:
“A Google search on both names on 22 June 2009 favored M. velutina by 16,500 to 143 web documents returned and provides further evidence for this usage. Nevertheless, as clarified by Häkkinen & Väre the name M. dasycarpa is synonymous with M. velutina and has priority over this name. However, as the former name has been very rarely used we propose to conserve M. velutina against M. dasycarpa under Art. 14 of the ICBN (McNeill & al. in Regnum Veg. 146. 2006) to avoid confusion and to stabilise Musa nomenclature”.
However, the final decision of the valid names will be voted by the committee in the next year's conference Australia. That means that Musa dasycarpa is valid name for the time being.
Markku.
So many hoops only because of a name. :ha:
Are you attending the conference in Australia, Markku?
Markku Hakkinen
11-17-2010, 08:14 AM
The meaning of these kinds of articles are clarify very confused situation of Musa taxonomy. Debates with M.dasycarpa vs. M.velutina have continued over 100 years.
I am not going to participate to Australia conference.
Markku.
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