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eric27
11-09-2010, 04:25 PM
I started a bunch of seeds end mid Sept, and some more in Oct. Ensete Glaucum, Ensete Perrieri, Musa Intinerans, Musa Formosana, Musa Daj Giant among some others. I started most of them in ziplock bags, which is how I had started all of mine in years past. I did started a few recently in plastic deli containers (Daj, Formosana and soem Glaucum). The rest were in bags.

I alternated the heat on the Daj Giant (in a deli box) with a seed mat, and about 3 weeks ago noticed one of them sprouted. I had most of the other seeds in bags. Some of the bags I began to neglect well over a month ago as I was busy putting away things outside, and really to be honest I ignored them and threw them aside. Off the heat mat. I looked at them a couple weeks ago, thinking I might toss them as I needed room for pots. Then I noticed roots in one of the bags, turned it around to see which one it was, and the name on the bag was Ensete Perrieri. I was kinda shocked to say the least, considering I had heard how difficult it is to germinate and I really literally threw it in a corner. BUT, maybe it isn't the real deal??? It took less then 30 days to germinate, I don't remember the source, and I still have time to kill it, along with the Daj. I assume there is no way to verify it until it puts some size on? Anway I just thought I would share a seed story.

Eric

saltydad
11-09-2010, 05:39 PM
Bananas will always maintain the ability to surprise us!

sunfish
03-11-2011, 06:17 PM
Ensente Perrieri

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=40726&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=40726&ppuser=2868)

Markku Hakkinen
03-12-2011, 02:29 AM
Hi Eric,

Was the perrieri seed's coat warty or tuberculous? If so they are perrieri seeds.
Is it possible to have later on a small dried leaf sample of it for DNA analyses?

Best wishes,

Markku.

sunfish
03-12-2011, 08:06 AM
Hi Eric,

Was the perrieri seed's coat warty or tuberculous? If so they are perrieri seeds.
Is it possible to have later on a small dried leaf sample of it for DNA analyses?

Best wishes,

Markku.

Sure.This is the seed.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=40281&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=40281&ppuser=2868)

Markku Hakkinen
03-12-2011, 08:25 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=40732&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=40732&ppuser=8286)

Hi Tony,
Thanks! However your seed is not E.perrieri. It is smooth and nor warty like in the attached photo.
Best wishes,
Markku.

Markku Hakkinen
03-12-2011, 08:27 AM
Hi Eric,
How your Ensete seeds look like?
Markku.

sunfish
03-12-2011, 09:02 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=40732&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=40732&ppuser=8286)

Hi Tony,
Thanks! However your seed is not E.perrieri. It is smooth and nor warty like in the attached photo.
Best wishes,
Markku.

Thanks .I'll just add them to my other unknowns.

http://www.bananas.org/f16/ensete-superbum-seeds-labeled-ensete-perrieri-6887-2.html#post63264

eric27
03-12-2011, 11:37 AM
Hi Markku!

Yes it is tuberculous, not warty at all. Pretty smooth. It is slightly smaller than E Glaucum, but is not that or E Vent. It is funny you just posted about this because I pulled one of the non germinated seeds out last night and looked at it. I suspect it is an Ensete Superbum India, or is it Thai, well which ever of the two has the bigger of the seeds. After you ID Jeff's plant as a Superbum, and his mix up with the seeds being sold as Perrieri, I have a feeling there was a bunch of seeds sold as Perrieri on the market that were really Superbums. And I have a feeling this was part of that batch. Anway this is what I was able to piece together from all of my research.

If you would still like a piece of dried leaf when it gets a little bigger just let me know Markku and I'll get it to you!

Eric

Markku Hakkinen
03-13-2011, 08:28 AM
Hi Eric,

E.Suberbum seeds are smooth and some 5 mm in diameter (about half in size to comparing to E.glaucum).
Markku.

eric27
03-13-2011, 03:31 PM
Thanks Markku!

That sounds exactly like the seed. Size and texture are almost exact. And it grows fast with heat and humidity.

Eric