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Kostas
11-08-2010, 05:18 PM
Hi!
Thanks to the great generosity of Bob,i am now the proud owner of a Namwah Tall and a Kandrian pup!:woohoonaner: Thank you very much Bob!!!:nanadrink:
Last Friday,i received a nice,long and heavy box from Bob!I had asked him for a tiny Namwah Tall pup and he sent me 2 huge pups instead,about the same diameter my Ice Cream is now!!!:woohoonaner: The Kandrian was a surprize add and a more than welcome one as i love Tall growing bananas:woohoonaner:
Here they are just after potting up on Saturday!
Namwah Tall
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/d2f1d917.jpg
Kandrian
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/96caac02.jpg
And here they are on Monday morning!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/3f0c4b38.jpg
They are both showing new growth but slowly. Even my Ice Cream is growing real slow so i find it normal and think they will be fine! Looking forward to new leafs!!!!
Thank you very very much Bob!!!!!!!!:woohoonaner::bananas_b
Glad they made it and are looking good. I want to see some pics when they get big!:woohoonaner:
Kostas
11-08-2010, 05:22 PM
It will be my pleasure!!!:bananas_b
Blake09
11-08-2010, 06:44 PM
:woohoonaner:
Go Bob! :08:
:)
Dalmatiansoap
11-09-2010, 05:55 AM
Bravo guys!
Take good care of them.
:nanadrink:
saltydad
11-09-2010, 01:41 PM
Once again, Bob comes through as one of the most generous members of the org. Your corms are around the same size- large- as the IC I received from him, Kostas. Good luck with them.
Kostas
12-26-2010, 12:02 PM
Thank you very much all of you for your replys!
Indeed Bob is the man and I thank him from my heart for that!!! It's much appreciated! :bananas_b
Just to update on their condition,the Kandrian is finally opening it's first leaf(half of leaf actually :ha: ) and is growing at a good pace since I moved it to my heated basement under fluorescent lights! The Namwah Tall grew fast when I first potted it up but kept dying back from time to time till all new growth was black. Now that's in the basement,it seems to grow slowly but I have yet to see any live tissue pushed out. Hopefully when I return from my vacations It may be unfolding a leaf as well!
I will take and post pictures when I return home from my vacations!
Don't worry about the slow growth of the Namwah Konstantinos..... It's more important to establish plenty of root growth first. Don't be afraid to whack it back till you see fresh green inside. I've done it many times and it seems to stimulate new green growth.
Kostas
12-27-2010, 05:16 PM
Thanks for the advise and encouragement Bob!
I hope its doing just that! I am not too worried yet as only the new growth of the cigar was dying back while the pseudostem remains almost intact with just a couple of cm dieback at the top at most. I remove the dead tissues around the cigar by gently pulling them away so as not to damage more live tissues and cause more dieback. That way i keep it from getting jammed from the shrinking dead tissues arround it and its pushing,just hasnt pushed enough to reveal any live tissues yet unfortunately...Looking forward to healthy new growth!!! :woohoonaner:
Kostas
01-10-2011, 12:16 PM
Here are some updated pictures of my Kandrian and Namwah Tall from Bob!!! :woohoonaner:
Kandrian
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_2655a.jpg
Namwah Tall
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_2654a.jpg
And here is the place i am growing them till spring comes along with my tender palms and cycads
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_2656a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_2657a.jpg
As you can see,they have started recovering nicely! Looking forward to see them became beasties!!!! :woohoonaner:
Dalmatiansoap
01-10-2011, 12:45 PM
Nice collection Kostas! What are all the palm seedlings?
Kostas
01-10-2011, 01:09 PM
Thanks Ante!
They are Chambeyronia macrocarpa(Hookerii), Lemurophoenix haulexii, Coccothrinax alexandrii var. alexandrii and Cocos nucifera from Key West(probably Jamaican Tall as its fruit is huge). Most are to be ground planted in Pyrgos when they grow some or spring comes.
Dalmatiansoap
01-10-2011, 02:29 PM
Funny, I spendt afternoon repotting palm seedlings and among them several Chambeyronia macrocarpa :)
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dalmatiansoap/IMAG1451.jpg
:woohoonaner:
Kostas
01-10-2011, 05:38 PM
Way to go Ante!!!! :woohoonaner:
Hard to forget these germinators with their camouflage-like spike and hard roots(like most all New Caledonian palms!)! I think they will be a risky grow long term at your place though and with their slow growth,any damage stays for a long time...
I wish you success with them,they are beautiful seedlings and stunning palms!!!
Btw,i am really behind in seedling potting ups...Today I potted up a Chamaedorea tepejilote ''Blanco'' which germinated almost a year after its conspecifics in an insect infested germination bag i had lost hopes on a long time ago...All of a sudden,i saw a green leaf in there... :woohoonaner:
Kostas and Dalmatiansoap.... have either of you ever heard of or maybe seen a "Cretan Date palm"... Phoenix theophrastii? I've been reading a few books on hardy palms ( as well as aquiring some seeds and small plants ) this winter and read about this one. It looks to be kind of a smaller than a Canary Island variety and a few degrees cold hardier.
I might jump in for an answer and I'm sure Kostas and also Ante know about the Cretan Date Palm Poenix theophrasti. It's a hardy variety and seeds are available from rarepalmseeds.com. Plants are also on sale in Europe by various shops, but this won't help you a lot, I guess.
You'll find a lot of info on Google and maybe also plants for sale in the US. Otherwise you have to try from seeds.
I found this link: Phoenix theophrastii | Tejas Tropicals (http://tejastropicals.com/palms/phoenix/phoenix-theophrastii)
Kostas and Dalmatiansoap.... have either of you ever heard of or maybe seen a "Cretan Date palm"... Phoenix theophrastii? I've been reading a few books on hardy palms ( as well as aquiring some seeds and small plants ) this winter and read about this one. It looks to be kind of a smaller than a Canary Island variety and a few degrees cold hardier.
Kostas
01-11-2011, 06:37 PM
Phoenix theophrastii is the cold hardiest Phoenix sp. and looks somewhat between P. cananariensis and P. dactylifera with its blueish leafs and relatively fat trunk. I have never seen any from close unfortunately. I need to go to Crete for vacations someday soon!
If a Phoenix sp. stands a chance at your place,that would be the one! Use a very well draining soil(rocky and sandy) to prevent rot from high rainfall coupled with very cold tempratures during the winter.
Good luck!!!
Wow!! It that a common practice to hack them off at the top like that? I'm new to 'nanners', and I've never seen that done. I bought 5 different ones (one was about 80lbs, and two were arond 50-60lb), and none were ever subjected to that - nor would I have ever thought to do that to them. Seems kinda harsh. My three largest ones never dropped any leaves from the transplanting process, so I don't think they ever had any stress from it. The lopping off of the top would surely have stressed them out quite considerably.
Thanks all, I'll be checking out the links and likely getting some seeds of this variety soon if I can't find a small plant.
Yug, this is a common practice for those storing bananas in colderclimates as wel as for practical reasons in shipping. It must stress the plant some but , they seem to recover fine.
Dalmatiansoap
01-12-2011, 06:39 AM
Hey Bob,
I have one Theophratii seedling so fare and it didnt stop with growth during this cold period. They are not common palms but I hope there will be more of them as time pass. Beeing Date palms they must be easy to start from seeds but if U can get smaller plant with decent price...
:nanadrink:
P.S.
Hope U dont have any blizzards up there!
Ha ha Ante, I am still home and not at work yet because it's been snowing heavily since last night and not over with yet. Figures, my back was just feeling better from the last storm's work and now I can go back to shoveling, blowing and plowing in a few hours!:ha:
The link from BB73 has some small ones available and I also got a PM from another member I haven't looked at yet so, hopefully I can just start with a small plant and pot it for a few years and then give it a try.:woohoonaner:
Dalmatiansoap
01-12-2011, 06:50 AM
Haha, no way that I would like to be in your skin now:ha: Im enough of shoveling sand and cement last week for new garden project, snow would be just a way to much:ha:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=39787&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=39787&ppuser=4565)
This is my Theop. pic taken two months ago and it pushed two more leaves till now
:woohoonaner:
Thanks all, I'll be checking out the links and likely getting some seeds of this variety soon if I can't find a small plant.
Yug, this is a common practice for those storing bananas in colderclimates as wel as for practical reasons in shipping. It must stress the plant some but , they seem to recover fine.
OUCH!!
Kostas
03-14-2011, 01:42 PM
I thought i would do an update on my Kandrian and Namwah Tall from Bob as the past Sunday,i finally got them out again!!!:woohoonaner:
Here are a few pictures a little after getting them out and drenching them with water!
Kandrian
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_2813a.jpg
Kandrian in front and Namwah Tall at the back
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_2814a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_2815a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_2816a.jpg
Namwah Tall
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_2817a.jpg
As you can see,the Namwah Tall is extremely droopy from growing in my basement while Kandrian holds its leafs quite stiffly and well. 2 of Namwah Tall leafs have already bent now with just a very light breeze,no real wind...Looking forward to new,adapted to outdoor life leafs!!!!!:woohoonaner:
hydroid
03-14-2011, 11:58 PM
Great pics, looks like they're gonna do well. I hear the namwah fruit is very tasty.
Kostas
03-15-2011, 10:43 AM
Thank you very much Bo for your reply! I am glad you liked them!
They are not as sturdy as they should be right now but that should fix itself in a few weeks outdoors!
I read that too about Namwah and cant wait to taste its fruits!!! Do you think my Namwah Tall stands any chance to flower and ripen fruits within this year? Before getting cut for shipping,it was already almost twice as tall!
hydroid
03-15-2011, 12:15 PM
I have only had marginal luck with actually getting the fruit to ripen in my climate. I did alot of freeze prevention this past year and it looks like it will pay off this summer. I am presently waiting on my first Dwarf Namwah that is on it's way from South Florida. I think it helps to give them lots of fertilizer during the growing season to produce fruit. I use palm and tropical fertilizer and miracle grow. I would keep an eye on it, who knows maybe it will fruit this year. I have 2 Musa Basjoo that are blooming right now and most everything is still pretty brown. I have found that my Bananas like to fruit the second season. Hope this helps
Bo
Kostas
03-15-2011, 01:04 PM
Thank you very much for your reply Bo!
Its unfortunate that our zone doesn't allow fruit to wait through winter for spring ripening. I guess we only have a narrow window for flower emergence in order to get ripe bananas. Lets hope we are in it this year!!! :woohoonaner:
I wish you receive your Dwarf Namwah soon!!!
I dont have too high hope for my Tall Namwah flowering this year as well,given its small present size but as you said, who knows? I will try my best!
I wish you get many bunches this year! :woohoonaner:
Kostas
05-23-2011, 06:28 AM
Just an update on my Namwah Tall and Kandrian,a few days after the last photos,strong winds broke all leafs on both plants. The weather has been unusually cool here all this past time along with some rains and i had lots of pseudostem rot and very few new growth. My Namwah lost 1/3 to half its pseudostem height and now has 2 rather weak leafs that are half what it had and with a smaller petiole diameter. I only hope it stops loosing pseudostem and grows some robust new leafs fast as it was set back a great deal...I think it was root or corm rot from the rains and cool weather.
My Kandrian also lost all its leafs from the strong winds and had some pseudostem rot too but at a far lesser degree and so far it seems to have not lost any pseudostem height. Its just now growing and opening its first leaf after it lost all its leaves. Seems like it also had root rot and was unstable in its pot but now its pretty firm and growing its new leaf fast!
Here are some photos! Not the prettier sight yet but hopefully on a good way to become beautiful and big bananas!
Namwah Tall
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/406c70c2.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/47e23b59.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/509fd118.jpg
Kandrian
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/73e34c20.jpg
Kandrian in front and Namwah Tall at the back. You can see how much height the Namwah lost as they were both about the same height before...
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/b60b78e4.jpg
Looking forward to robust new leafs from both!!!
Kostas
05-30-2011, 11:52 AM
Just a brief update on my Kandrian as i ground planted it last Saturday in Pyrgos! :woohoonaner: Unfortunately i dont know how permanent this position will be for it but its a good place to let it grow and fruit for the first time to get an idea what to expect in general from a banana this big(how many pups,what size area i need,etc). Once i get to know that first hand and finish planning my plantings,i will most probably move it to a more suitable spot for the long term.
Here is a photo of my Kandrian ground planted!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_0256.jpg
Looking forward to see it grow huge!!!!! :woohoonaner:
Kostas
06-06-2011, 09:39 AM
Just took an updated picture of my Namwah which is finally doing well again and growing at a good pace,although it's still not as robust as it were before getting it out of my basement. Anyway,at least it seems to be on it's way to becoming robust and healthy again and not dieing back!
Here is the picture! It's starting to look good already!!! :woohoonaner:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/0d969060.jpg
I will hopefully be expanding my planting beds to the front yard in Pyrgos this summer and it will definately have a spot there! Can't wait to get them ready and ground plant it!!!
Kostas
06-21-2011, 05:20 AM
Just a short update on my Namwah Tall. Here it is under our hot summer sun! :)
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_0330.jpg
Newest leaf's underside!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_0340.jpg
I hope you liked it! :)
Kostas
07-31-2011, 10:21 AM
Hello!
I thought I would update on my Kandrian and Namwah Tall(well,it is a "Misi Luki" but knowing its not a Mysore subgroup variety I have been calling it Namwah Tall which may also not be the best name as it's a Pisang Awak but not necessarily "Namwah Tall". Is there any better name to call it maybe?). They have been doing very well with our summer heat and growing at a good pace!
Here are a few pictures of my Kandrian taken a couple of weeks ago!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_2903.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_2943.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_2944.jpg
Namwah Tall is still potted unfortunately but I hope to ground plant it in it's final position in my Pyrgos Garden this Fall.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_3053a.jpg
Kostas
08-22-2011, 05:13 PM
Here is an updated picture of my Kandrian,taken a couple of days ago!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/DSC03779a.jpg
Its now about 1,70m and growing well!!! :woohoonaner: Looking forward to see it huge!!!
Kostas
09-12-2011, 04:51 PM
Just an updated photo of my ''Kandrian'' which seems to be doing wonderfully in Pyrgos,getting bigger and thicker fast! Its not visible in the photo but the first pup just broke the surface!!! :woohoonaner:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/DSC03830a.jpg
Why is it producing so big and wide leafs without gaining much height btw?
Thank you very much in advance! :)
Kostas
10-31-2011, 03:11 AM
I thought i would update on my ''Kandrian'' as it has grown huge already and keeps growing nicely and relatively fast without caring for the cooler nights! Here are 3 photos of it i took on Saturday! :woohoonaner:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3133a.jpg
2 pups are coming up now!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3134a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3135a.jpg
With the growth rate it has and height it attains with each leaf,i hope it flowers sometime next year! :woohoonaner:
Kostas
11-21-2011, 05:44 PM
Here are a few updated pictures of my Kandrian from November 13th! :)
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_0423.jpg
Pups!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_0426.jpg
Leaf detail
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_0427.jpg
:woohoonaner:
Kostas
11-29-2011, 05:04 AM
Here are a few updated photos of my ''Kandrian'' from the past weekend! Growth is certainly slower now but still acceptable i would say! :woohoonaner:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3230a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3231a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3233a.jpg
And after quite a long while without any updates,here is my ''Misi Luki''(Namwah Tall/a Pisang Awak anyway),still potted but doing well! As you can see,the pot appears to be a restrictive factor for it as although it grew a good number of leafs,it didnt grow much bigger.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3216a.jpg
I look forward to ground planting my Namwah Tall and see it grow big and flower! :woohoonaner:
Kostas
05-30-2012, 04:29 AM
I thought i would update on my Kandrian,last winter was bad in Pyrgos and got down to -2,5C one night,with frost,which is pretty bad for Pyrgos and we seldom see such temperatures there. The leaf blades and petioles on my Kandrian got burned but early on spring,the new leaf that was about to emerge in winter,emerged and had only about 30cm of damaged tip and the rest unfolded perfectly fine! I took a photo of my Kandrian 1 and a half weeks ago,when i was in Pyrgos last time,and it already had 4 leafs total and was significantly taller already!!! Here is the photo!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3456a.jpg
The fence is about 1,20m tall so you get an idea of height! I guess it already qualifies as huge to me and i am very happy for it! :woohoonaner:
Bob,you really did an excellent choice for a gift banana!!! Thanks a lot!!! :bananas_b
Dalmatiansoap
05-30-2012, 06:23 AM
Nice plant, a good grower! Let me know if U ll have an extra pup.
:nanadrink:
Kostas
05-30-2012, 05:14 PM
Thank you Ante :)
I will keep you in mind for a pup and let you know when i have a spare :) I will probably be removing the bigger pup visible because of its bad location(things will get too tight if i let it grow i think)but my Uncle had asked for it from last year. That will leave my Kandrian with a single pup which i will let grow to maturity. The next pup it produces in a bad location is yours!
:nanadrink:
Kostas
07-19-2012, 03:28 PM
Here are two updated photos of my ''Kandrian'' taken at the end of June! As you can see,its growing very fast and the pups even faster!!!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3496a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3497a.jpg
A little after i took these photos,i removed the left and biggest pup and gave it to my Uncle. I havent heard news about it yet but i hope it survives and starts growing soon! :)
Kostas
10-10-2012, 06:48 AM
A few updated photos of my ''Kandrian'' and ''Misi Luki''(Pisang Awak):
Musa ''Kandrian''
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3949a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3948a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_4082a.jpg
Musa ''Misi Luki''(Pisang Awak) still potted and waiting for the planters to be made...
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3970a.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_3978a.jpg
Hope you liked them! :)
Kostas
01-13-2013, 06:01 PM
A couple photos of my ''Kandrian'' from the Christmas holidays with me for scale! Its huge now and i love it!!!!!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_4383a.jpg
This hanging leaf continues all the way to the ground!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_4384a.jpg
And here is my ''Misi Luki''(Pisang Awak),still potted and waiting for the front and side patios to be constructed along with my other potted bananas...
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/IMG_4427a.jpg
:woohoonaner:
LilRaverBoi
01-13-2013, 06:20 PM
Looks great! Too bad the leaves get so shredded....but I realize that's impossible to avoid.
Kostas
01-13-2013, 06:38 PM
Thank you very much Bryan! :)
The leafs dont usually get shredded that much,if at all,and till a month ago there were very few shreds on the leafs,counted in the fingers of a single hand mostly. But then came hurricane strength winds that were strong enough to break one of the 2 major branches of my Grevillea robusta, just to the side of my ''Kandrian'', and bring it crushing down...My ''Kandrian'' was bending with the winds quite a lot but managed to withstand the winds with virtually no damage except a little more finely shredded leafs,which dont look bad at all! Its more palmy looking now :ha:
To give you an idea of the winds my plants saw,a few km away,at another property of mine,a tornado formed and totally uprooted 15 olive trees from 20acres of olive trees(almost all the rest had a great deal of broken branches as well) belonging to my father and uncle,plus broke quite a few other trees like some beautiful oaks and some biggish pines near their base from the forest we have preserved within out property!
Dalmatiansoap
01-14-2013, 07:14 AM
Nice plants Kostas! If nothing U still have green leaves what is pure exotic in my case:ha:
caliboy1994
01-14-2013, 04:37 PM
Wow, that Kandarian got big! I bet you can expect a flower sometime this year.
LilRaverBoi
01-15-2013, 02:07 AM
Glad you didn't see more damage then with the storms. And I do agree....definitely looks palmy now :)
Kostas
01-17-2013, 04:08 AM
Thank you very much for your replies!
Thank you very much Ante! :)
I am very much enjoying their foliage and that extra tropical note it adds! From what i have seen in Pyrgos,bananas grown in the area(Orinoco and maybe Namwah) usually keep their leafs and hanging bunches through the winter most of the years so i hope mine will as well!!! We will see...
Thanks Andreas,I hope so! :) I am looking forward to it,just not too soon after winter in case it gets damaged...It does have taken the mature look on it now so it should be close!
Thanks Bryan! :)
kaczercat
03-11-2013, 11:16 AM
WOOOH so tall now! On the wiki it says grows up to 6 m. Must be coming pretty close. It looks great.
Kostas
06-10-2013, 10:00 AM
Thank you Matt! :) I love it too!
I am very happy to report that my 'Kandrian' has bloomed!!!!!!! :woohoonaner: Its my very first banana to bloom! It bloomed at ~5m pseudostem height,2 years after ground planting it as a 1m tall pup with rot problems! Here are some pictures of it! :)
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_4825a_zps07246e02.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/Kostas_G/media/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_4825a_zps07246e02.jpg.html)
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_4769a_zpsf90e67f8.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/Kostas_G/media/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_4769a_zpsf90e67f8.jpg.html)
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_4764a_zps9a821bb8.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/Kostas_G/media/Pyrgos%20Garden/IMG_4764a_zps9a821bb8.jpg.html)
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It bloomed with just 4,5 leafs on it but hopefully they are enough in conjunction with the pups,to make and mature a big bunch! We shall see...:)
Kostas
07-14-2013, 04:09 AM
Here are a few updated pictures of my flowering 'Kandrian' taken last weekend while i was down for the monthly maintenance in Pyrgos! :)
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About when do you think they will be ready for harvest with this growth rate? These pictures are just 1 month after the previous ones where no bananas were visible yet!
Thank you very much in advance! :)
Kostas
10-24-2013, 08:11 AM
One of the bananas of the lowermost hands has turned yellow a couple days now. Does this mean the bunch is ready and I should harvest it? I ask because the uppermost hands are supposed to be the first to turn color in most varieties,right?
The bunch has filled very well and I was just waiting for them to start turning color before harvesting for maximum flavor. What ripeness is better with Kandrian for tostones and what for eating out of hand?
Thank you very much in advance! :)
Abnshrek
10-24-2013, 08:17 AM
You almost need a sky lift to get up there to get them down.. :^)
bananimal
10-24-2013, 08:45 AM
One of the bananas of the lowermost hands has turned yellow a couple days now. Does this mean the bunch is ready and I should harvest it? I ask because the uppermost hands are supposed to be the first to turn color in most varieties,right?
The bunch has filled very well and I was just waiting for them to start turning color before harvesting for maximum flavor. What ripeness is better with Kandrian for tostones and what for eating out of hand?
Thank you very much in advance! :)
Congratulations Kostas!
Cut it down when the fingers have filled in. This is a 2 man job. Hang the bunch outside in the shade or in the house.
Tostones - very green.
Out of hand --- very yellow.
venturabananas
10-24-2013, 10:25 AM
It's usually the top hands that start to turn yellow first, but not always. Also, sometimes a damaged finger (e.g., one that an animal partially consumed, or one that split) will turn yellow well before the rest of the bunch does. But so long as they are filled out, then they are ready to harvest. Post a picture of the bunch and we'll have a better sense of whether they are ready to go, but it sounds like they are.
sunfish
10-24-2013, 01:54 PM
I think the normal way to harvest would be to cut the p-stem and let it bend down. No way do you get on a ladder and cut the bunch
Dalmatiansoap
10-24-2013, 04:23 PM
I think the normal way to harvest would be to cut the p-stem and let it bend down. No way do you get on a ladder and cut the bunch
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36861&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36861&perpage=24&ppuser=4565)
:nanadrink:
Kostas
10-24-2013, 07:32 PM
Thank you very much for the information and advise! :)
I think this particular finger has split slightly. I will be bringing it down tomorrow to taste it! :woohoonaner: The bunch is definitely filled out and I will bring a few more down for tostones but I wondered if I could leave it on another month or if they would go yellow before that. I only get there once a month so I can only harvest now or in a month again. Or I could harvest the top half now and leave the bottom half for a month latter?
Here is a photo of the bunch from August:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/C43624C2-5D3C-4220-8016-6D5A2D3739C6-10781-00000BE0891DB6A8_zps1a11bdc4.jpg
I will be taking and posting a current photo of it tomorrow,everything is far more filled out and the bunch seems heavier!
For bringing the bananas down,I plan to suspend a cloth below and cut the bananas individually to fall on it as I don't want to cut the pseudostem nor male flowers,I want to leave them end on their own and the pseudostem disintegrate on its own. The pups seem ready for flowering next year and look like they will be getting bigger than the motherplant! :)
Thank you very much in advance :)
Pancrazio
10-25-2013, 06:02 AM
Cool report. It's very interesting to see a development of a plant from pup to ripen bunch.
Kostas
10-26-2013, 04:58 PM
Thanks Pancrazio! :)
Kandrian preliminary taste report:
Well,it tastes just awesome! :woohoonaner:
Peel color at time of eating: Yellow-black with dry areas
Flesh color: Partly orange,partly white. Pedicel end whiter,bottom end orange
Texture: Soft but holding its shape and not mushy,elastic. I liked the texture very much while I hate the texture or a Cavendish with black spots.
Flavor: Doesn't smell like a banana but smells intensely like another fruit I just couldn't bring myself to remember. The smell is enticing and reminds of a sweet and acidic fruit.
Taste: I thought it was quite sweet with some acidity to it,a very nice combination.
A winner to my eyes and taste buds but can't wait to have the rest of the bunch ripen,that single ripe finger I tried really opened my appetite for it!!!
:woohoonaner:
Kostas
10-27-2013, 04:25 PM
Here are a few photos of the ripe banana I ate
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/null_zpsb10428c5.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/null_zps89c3ec93.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/null_zps92e8f81f.jpg
These are just after bringing it down,I ate it the next day. Here it is next on eating dash next to a green one I brought down to see if and when it ripens.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/null_zps7cd8db7c.jpg
This is what I needed and used to get them down!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/null_zps30c03c17.jpg
Here is a photo of the rest of the bunch on my Kandrian! :)
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/null_zps77b7a745.jpg
Shall I bring them down or can they wait another month? I only get to Pyrgos every month normally and though i have a dear cousin in Pyrgos,its not necessary that she will spot them early on and let me know to get there earlier,nor that I will be able to get there earlier than a month's time. What do you think?
Thank you very much in advance :)
venturabananas
10-27-2013, 09:34 PM
They look pretty filled out to me, and the fact that one was quite ripe and tasty would cause me to harvest them if my next chance wouldn't be for a month. After another month, there's a real chance that the whole bunch would have ripened and rotted before you got back to it.
Kostas
10-28-2013, 07:03 AM
Thank you very much Mark!
A few random ones of the bunch have started yellow tipping from the sun,just like what probably caused the one I ate to get ripe. I may have an opportunity to get here again in 2 weeks this time. I am still thinking about harvesting them now though as I guess the yellow tipped ones will get ripe earlier,right? What do you think? The weather here is awesome with 24-26C during the day and 12-16C at the coldest of the night and that kind of weather is predicted to stay and is pretty much normal for here with rains in between,though not predicted for now.
Thank you very much in advance! :)
venturabananas
10-28-2013, 10:50 AM
With that weather forecast, I would expect they will all ripen within the next month, and probably sooner. In my normal cool weather, it can take over a month between the first and last fruit to ripen if I leave the bunch on the plant. But a stretch of a couple of warm days (26+ C) in a row can be enough to make the whole bunch ripen practically at once.
Kostas
11-01-2013, 06:07 PM
Thank you very much for the help Mark! :)
I harvested the bunch just before leaving on Tuesday! Here are a couple more photos of it and the mat before bringing the bananas down!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/null_zpsa856ae2b.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Pyrgos%20Garden/null_zps7bb3577b.jpg
The bunch was hanging at 5m height and the bananas weighed 12,2kg! Can't wait for them to fully ripen and start eating them!!! :woohoonaner:
venturabananas
11-01-2013, 07:25 PM
That's a tall plant. The "next generation" will probably be taller. I know you like the tall plants, so that's good for you.
Kostas
11-02-2013, 03:20 AM
Yeah,love its height! Adds a nice jungle feel. This variety is my biggest so far in the ground,i only regret not having more space to give it at the base as it's getting really vigorous now,sending sword pups some distance from the pseudostems! Hopefully I maybe able to expand its area in the future.
Hope the pups reach 6m pseudostems and produce even bigger bunches!!! The motherplant flowered early with only 4 good leafs,so I am very happy with what it produced for a first bunch! :)
Darkman
11-02-2013, 07:08 PM
Great pics, looks like they're gonna do well. I hear the namwah fruit is very tasty.
OK how about that poor Tall Namwah! Is it going to get out of the pot soon?
Bo,
It's time! come over and taste the Tall Namwah!
Cutting tomorrow!!!
Kostas
11-02-2013, 07:21 PM
The Namwah('Misi Luki') is still waiting for those planters I have been wanting to make some years now. But i won't be able to make them before June or even later unfortunately,other things have been in the way all those years and still are...Hope my 'Ice Cream'(Pisang Awak) fruits next year in Melissia though and I get to taste a Namwah type :)
The funny thing is that I had originally asked for a 'Misi Luki' pup and the 'Kandrian' came as a bonus gift alongside it...I certainly favored the 'Kandran' for the sheer size I read it reaches and it didn't let me down! This was a gift excellently chosen,better than what I asked for! :)
Hope the Namwah hangs on till the patios are ready and can grow huge too! Here is a photo of it taken a few days ago :)
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t244/Kostas_G/Bananas/null_zps5a85e304.jpg
Darkman
11-02-2013, 07:27 PM
Maybe congratulate it on its tenacity and give it a bigger pot!
Kostas
11-02-2013, 07:51 PM
I have never repotted it all those years,not once! I only fertilize it now and then with organic slow release fertilizer. What keeps me from repotting is that I need to move it twice a year and the fact that I keep many bananas potted for ground planting at the new planters and don't want them take up too much space till then. Plus,Pyrgos is really rainy in winter and the smaller the pot to plant ratio,the faster it can dry out out somewhat inbetween. I will consider doing it though to a slightly bigger pot come spring,will see... :)
Cikas33
03-28-2014, 04:29 PM
They look great.
Kostas
04-01-2014, 02:38 PM
Thank you Cikas! :)
They are partially burned now from a couple frosts but the potted ones(including 'Misi Luki' of Pisang Awak subgroup) kept growing new leafs in winter,as usual and even more during this mild winter,while my big in ground 'Kandrian' is slowly pushing new growth and should get faster again as the weather warms up more! 'Kandrian' got burnt more so than the other ground planted bananas due to being tall,in a wind exposed spot. The wind chilled its leafs,conducting the near/freezing temperatures to them fast while the bananas that didnt get as much wind,didnt damage as much and some hardly damaged thanks to their wind/frost protected spots from the wind prevailing on a few cold nights(having wind on cold nights is not very common in Pyrgos,frost yes,on 2-3 night annually).
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