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Magilla Gorilla
10-21-2010, 01:05 PM
This plant was sold to me two years ago as a Williams hybrid. The plant is around 12 to 14 feet tall. Any ideas?
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/DSCN1205.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/WilliamsHybridplant10-29-10.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/DSCN1207.jpg
Gabe15
10-21-2010, 09:17 PM
It is difficult to tell from the photos, but it is showing a red leaf underside? It is definetly not 'Williams'. Please post more photos in the coming weeks and we will know better.
sandy0225
10-22-2010, 06:48 AM
it looks a lot like my ladyfinger banana, but a lot of them look similar
MediaHound
10-22-2010, 12:23 PM
Here's a Williams Hybrid I bloomed, pics from my gallery:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=8196&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8196&si=williams&what=allfields&name=MediaHound&name=MediaHound)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6617&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6617&si=williams&what=allfields&name=MediaHound&name=MediaHound)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6616&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6616&si=williams&what=allfields&name=MediaHound&name=MediaHound)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6615&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6615&si=williams&what=allfields&name=MediaHound&name=MediaHound)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=6614&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=6614&si=williams&what=allfields&name=MediaHound&name=MediaHound)
MediaHound
10-22-2010, 12:24 PM
And btw, they tasted amazing. Very sweet and multi flavored fruitiness from what I recall.
sunfish
10-22-2010, 12:36 PM
It is difficult to tell from the photos, but it is showing a red leaf underside? It is definetly not 'Williams'. Please post more photos in the coming weeks and we will know better.
Williams Hybrid from Scot
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37687&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37687&ppuser=2868)
mushtaq86
10-22-2010, 03:42 PM
Williams Hybrid from Scot
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37687&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37687&ppuser=2868)
Hi Tony
That looks identical to my red iholene.Williams hybrid looks very similar to dwarf cav.
sunfish
10-22-2010, 03:58 PM
Hi Tony
That looks identical to my red iholene.Williams hybrid looks very similar to dwarf cav.
I don't think it's a Red Iholene,I have red iholene also. I have another banana that I got from GreenEarth that gets the same burgundy color and it gets the wine spots also.
sunfish
10-22-2010, 04:11 PM
This plant gets the red under the leaves.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37691&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37691&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32212&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32212&perpage=12&ppuser=2868)
mushtaq86
10-22-2010, 04:15 PM
I know it's not a Red Iholene,I have red iholene also. I have another banana that I got from GreenEarth that gets the same burgundy color and it gets the wine spots also.
any pics on the p-stem and petioles,just to have a better look of it.
mushtaq86
10-22-2010, 04:26 PM
This plant gets the red under the leaves.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37691&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37691&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32212&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32212&perpage=12&ppuser=2868)
Does it look anything like your mysore Tony.
sunfish
10-22-2010, 04:36 PM
Does it look anything like your mysore Tony.
The one in this pic has burgundy color on the lower leaves. the new leaves do not get the color.Doesn't look like Mysore.
sunfish
10-22-2010, 04:39 PM
Hi Tony
That looks identical to my red iholene.Williams hybrid looks very similar to dwarf cav.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37693&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37693&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37692&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37692&ppuser=2868)
mushtaq86
10-23-2010, 09:27 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37693&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37693&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37692&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37692&ppuser=2868)
The new roller has red on it tony,in the second pic.It certainly isn't Williams hybrid unless its a new mutation,looks like your going to have to wait until it flowers to get a positive id.It still looks to me some form of iholene,etheier red iholene,white iholene or musa ha ha.
sunfish
10-23-2010, 09:56 AM
The new roller has red on it tony,in the second pic.It certainly isn't Williams hybrid unless its a new mutation,looks like your going to have to wait until it flowers to get a positive id.It still looks to me some form of iholene,etheier red iholene,white iholene or musa ha ha.
Thanks. I'll have to get it planted in the ground and and get it to flower.
sunfish
10-23-2010, 10:01 AM
This plant gets the red under the leaves.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=37691&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=37691&ppuser=2868)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32212&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32212&perpage=12&ppuser=2868)
How about this one,looks Cavendish and gets the wine marks on top of the leaves and also the burgundy underneath
Magilla Gorilla
10-29-2010, 09:15 PM
It is difficult to tell from the photos, but it is showing a red leaf underside? It is definetly not 'Williams'. Please post more photos in the coming weeks and we will know better.
Hello Gabe,
Here is an updated picture. I will take more this weekend. The flower is very light in color compared to my other fruiting plants.
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/WilliamsHybridFlower210-29-10.jpg
blownz281
10-29-2010, 10:01 PM
looks like a frog or lizard on the p-stem below the flower? Haha.
Magilla Gorilla
10-29-2010, 10:32 PM
looks like a frog or lizard on the p-stem below the flower? Haha.
I think its dried plant material. I do have lots of lizards! As you walk through the garden they are every where. Only a few frogs. Way too many gophers!
ron_mcb
11-02-2010, 10:54 AM
How about this one,looks Cavendish and gets the wine marks on top of the leaves and also the burgundy underneath i have a mystery plant like yours..agristart was probably the main supplier no matter who you got it from.. Jared's pic is your closest bet to i.d. W. Hybrid...cavendish types. D.cav/G.nain/W.hybrid and a few others can look simular but are all different plants. They have distinguishable traits which are displayed espcecially during flowering..or so i believe. :-/
Magilla Gorilla
11-02-2010, 11:18 PM
i have a mystery plant like yours..agristart was probably the main supplier no matter who you got it from.. Jared's pic is your closest bet to i.d. W. Hybrid...cavendish types. D.cav/G.nain/W.hybrid and a few others can look simular but are all different plants. They have distinguishable traits which are displayed espcecially during flowering..or so i believe. :-/
I will post some more pictures this weekend. The flower is opening. Thanks!!
jeffreyp
11-04-2010, 09:06 PM
id guess mysore.
Magilla Gorilla
11-06-2010, 02:23 PM
O.k. I went on the roof of the greenhouse for close up pictures. The flower is not very big. Any ideas now? Thank you!!!!!!
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/WillamsFlower511-07-10.jpghttp://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/WiiliamsFlower411-07-10.jpghttp://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/10f52cc0.jpghttp://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/6e09f608.jpghttp://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/b60175f7.jpg
sandy0225
11-06-2010, 04:17 PM
normally the pups on a williams hybrid will have red splotches when they are young. Does it have any pups with red splotches or did they have red splotches when they were young?
Magilla Gorilla
11-06-2010, 04:35 PM
normally the pups on a williams hybrid will have red splotches when they are young. Does it have any pups with red splotches or did they have red splotches when they were young?
Hello Sandy. I have attached a picture of a pup. This plant has not flourished like the rest of my plants. This could be due to location. With this in mind it has not puped a lot. I don't see any splotches. Thanks!!
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/1a819584.jpg
ron_mcb
11-07-2010, 01:54 PM
with the dead material on the trunk it was hard to i.d. i will say what it does not look like...it looks like it doesn't belongs to Cavendish group.. at least none of the Cavendish type bananas i have. ..right now looks like the one i labeled dwarf orinoco last year..look at my dwarf orinoco pics..just saying how similar they look,the only difference is i didnt get any pinkish leaves.... different plant can look the same at flowering.will have to watch how the bunch develops for people to give a positive id. or even a close guess..
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sandy0225
11-07-2010, 06:53 PM
It doesn't look like a williams hybrid to me at all. Any of the pups I've ever had from them have the red "cavendish type" splotches of red on them. Always!
ladyfingers and ice creams don't have splotches on them. My ladyfinger bananas got pinkish color around the edges of the leaves and the petioles, but no red backsides like that one banana showed. Ladyfingers, ice cream, and hua moa get whitish colored backsides of the leaves, they look kind of frosted and the leaves come out of the stem differently than cavendish. The cavendish new leaves and the williams hyb and the gran nains--the new leaves come straight out of the center of the plant, telescope out and open. They have splotchy leaved pups, also the minis (SDC)do that.
The ladyfingers, ice creams and hua moa types, the leaves are "sticky". the new leaves stick to the petiole of the most recent leaf, then as they grow they pull out of that preceeding leaf petiole--a different kind of growth pattern.
I'm trying to think of different ones I've grown that show that kind of growth pattern. I'm sure there are many more.
You know what my ice cream bananas seem to pup late. They have to have a really big mama stem before it sends out pups in comparison to the other varieties I've grown. But unless that bloom darkens up, it doesn't look like ice cream to me or dwarf cavendish/williams/or gran nain.
At least you know what it isn't.
Magilla Gorilla
11-07-2010, 08:11 PM
Thanks Sandy,
I have several flowering varieties (Ice Cream, Brazilian, SDC and Orinoco). This plant only slightly resembles my Orinoco in height but the flower is not dark enough. My Ice Creams are much larger, the flower is four times bigger and much darker. As the fruit gets bigger I will post some more pictures. This plant has not pupped as much as my Orinocos. I think this is due to the location and vastly differnt soil they both have.
Thanks again!
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