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harveyc
09-10-2010, 01:05 AM
I'd like to ask everyone to be careful with their use of ladders! I had a bad fall last Wednesday (9/1) and have since heard of others with ladder accidents. I figured I was a professional and took adequate care in use of a ladder as I use them quite a bit in the orchard on my farm. I've mostly used 12' orchard ladders but bought a 16' one earlier this year to get higher up large chestnut trees.

My wife and I recently bought a second residence and I was cutting down a sick tree in the back yard, taking care to avoid having branches fall on a storage building of the neighbor. I was standing 12' above the ground and trying to remove a branch I had just cut with my chainsaw (thankfully, I had already handed my chainsaw to my helper). In hindsight, I should have had him hold the ladder, but that would have subjected him to the risk of falling branches. My ladder lost balance faster than I can even now believe. I fell very quickly against the edge of the roof of the neighbor's storage shed and then to the ground, hitting my head quite hard on a concrete stepping stone. My worker said it sounded like a bowling ball being dropped and that I had done a 360 flip in the air. I had the wind knocked out of me and was in considerable pain and couldn't answer my helper's questions about where I hurt, etc. for a minute or so. I did eventually feel good enough to want to try to stand up but quickly felt faint so had help getting back down and had my helper call 911. After a lengthy ER visit and cat scans from my head down to my thighs, I was released with no broken bones or internal injuries. I'm bruised up very badly and have pains in my right hip, left knee, left chest, and left shoulder. I saw my primary doctor 5 days after the accident and he suspects a torn meniscus in my knee and some other possible injuries, and even mentioned my aorta may have become detached from my skeleton. He's asked me to mostly stay laying down for another week. I'm feeling pretty good now and quit taking pain pills other than ibuprofen, but icing things down and not moving around too quickly. I hope to be better by the time I go for a follow-up next in 5 days. I'm still amazed that I didn't suffer more serious injuries or die. I definitely feel blessed by God.

Still, the point of my post is to ask everyone to consider their use of ladders carefully and be prudent. Make sure you have enough help for the job you're undertaking. That was probably my biggest mistake. I still can't believe my ladder lost balance in a way I've never had happen after being up ladders hundreds of times. An extra set of eyes may have made the difference.

:bed:

Dalmatiansoap
09-10-2010, 05:55 AM
Wow Harvey Im glad all finished well considering danger from ladder falling. Ladders are on of common tools in my job, for ones that dont know I work as power line lineman, and there is never enough care dealing with ladders. U ALLWAYS must secure them, rope them, tide them thake extra help but NEVER leave them on their own. We usually use them on 10-12m (30-40ft) and use without safety belts and ropes is just impossiblle. For home use I recomend wooden ladders, avoid aluminium and plastics.
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dalmatiansoap/maladuba002.jpg

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32466&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32466&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:

Jack Daw
09-10-2010, 06:05 AM
Is that an alloy skeletoned ladder in the first pic? Forbidden for lineman work here, but most commonly used too. It creates an excellent route for the current though... :bananas_b

Nice securing btw. Many linemen here don't secure at all. Many electricians also prefer going to the top of the building an then roping down to the electrical set, or funnier, even climb it up using only ropes and saddle. Some can do that on almost any sort of wall. :ha:

Dalmatiansoap
09-10-2010, 06:10 AM
It creates an excellent route for the current though...

10000 Volts makes excelent route on no matter what:ha::ha::ha:

CoryS
09-10-2010, 07:07 AM
Harvey, you were def lucky! I crashed down on my left ribs last spring and it didn't stop hurting for a month. There were no breaks or fractures but I know a guy who fell from a ladder this summer and broke 4 ribs. You must have a hard head! Good! Rope your ladder next time and never trust one. They slide too easy! Hope your feeling better soon!
Ante, that looks like our ladder! :D

sunfish
09-10-2010, 07:22 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CBwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fextension.oregonstate.edu%2Fcatalog%2Ftranscrip ts%2Ftripod%2F&rct=j&q=safe%20use%20of%20orchard%20ladders&ei=TSKKTKu3DYWisAOaodmrBA&usg=AFQjCNFWhnU0upGiqKSqTAYa5i58c4-JmQ&cad=rja

The Hollyberry Lady
09-10-2010, 09:02 AM
Wow Harvey...do you know how lucky you are?!!! :eek:


Just last week, my mom's cousin's husband was vacationing in Florida and fell down several flights of stairs at his hotel, smashing his head on the concrete!


Some vacation!


He died at the hospital nearly 24 hours after arrival, due to head injury. The doctors claimed that even if he survived, he would've had severe brain damage and would've used only a small percentage of it!


You really should count your lucky stars that you didn't severely hurt yourself...or worse! Glad you're ok, Harvey.


: )

harveyc
09-10-2010, 11:46 AM
The orchard ladder I was using is the taller one in the photo below.

http://www.chestnuts.us/images/ChestnutPruning7764s.jpg

These three-legged orchard ladders are safest for use in working with trees as all three legs make firm contact with the ground even when working on ground that's not level. Securing the ladder to something would be a good thing, but it's rarely done as it's usually just not possible to do since there are branches that interfere with getting the latter into a position that would allow for this. I could have tied a rope around myself and tied it around a branch for safety, but having someone hold the ladder would have probably been the best option.

Most likely, I just pulled myself over by pulling on a branch to lift it, even though I didn't use much force and the branch was just a couple of feet away.

I went back to cut down the rest of the tree three days later (greeted by several of my new neighbors who were delighted to see I was doing as well as I was!) with two workers. I wasn't able to do much other than supervise but I did decide to avoid any lifting of branches from the ladder. I had workers trim off small branches and then put a rope over a crotch of the main trunk about 20' up (required some careful climbing of a worker) and from there we tied onto limbs which we cut off with a chain saw which has an extension pole that goes out 14'. This eliminated most of the need to cut a limb while standing on a ladder and we lowered cut branches with the rope. It was simple and much safer. It's best to avoid having to reach out very far from the ladder, especially with the weight of a chain saw or ladder.

I don't believe in "luck" or "lucky stars". I truly believe I was blessed and God protected me from more serious injuries and I am thanking God several times a day for getting along as well as I am. I hope my lesson helps protect me and others in the future.

momoese
09-10-2010, 12:43 PM
Gnarly Harvey! Glad to hear you'll live to see another day!

MediaHound
09-10-2010, 12:48 PM
I saw a photo of Harvey's injuries over email... it's a horrible sight.
Get well soon buddy.

Here's my ladder story, thankfully its not really MY story but its a story I heard:
My neighbor(s) directly across the street from me at my previous residence had a horrible ladder incident as well. The very day they moved into the home, the husband fell from a ladder while cleaning coconut trees and died.

Be safe up on those ladders, everyone.

Oh, and let me add:
"Three points of contact at all times when climbing."
Keep that rule in mind and you'll fare much better and prevent more falls.
That means two hands and a foot holding on, or two feet and a hand, but not just two feet or two hands, etc.

saltydad
09-10-2010, 12:56 PM
Harv- You are indeed blessed. As I think I mentioned earlier, my son fell 15 feet off a stationary ladder about 8 months ago and smashed up his foot really badly. He's had 2 surgeries on it and has one more to remove the last of the pins. He's got a small limp but the rehab regimen he's on should leave him OK. I fell off a ladder a number of years ago in my garden center. I was hanging very large Christmas wreaths in the display windows and the ladder tipped as I leaned over. I fell on to the endcap of our metal shelving, hitting my chest, then to the floor. Like you, I couldn't breath for a few minutes (it seemed like hours) and that was the scariest part. I went to the ER the next day and had fractured some ribs and torn some intercostal muscles. Hurt for months afterward. We are indeed being watched over. Stay healthy, my friend.

Jack Daw
09-10-2010, 02:16 PM
Many linemen here don't secure at all.


Just saw this one today. I also second the 3 point rule by Jarred.
http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq201/Jackob_Daw/Exotika%20-%20banany/Other/Mix_zabavnych_obrazkov_3502.jpg

LilRaverBoi
09-10-2010, 05:24 PM
Wow, that's quite the story! I'm super glad to hear that you're okay! I can think of a number of injuries it could have caused that would have had you 'out of commission' for a long time or worse yet. The chances for spinal injury and head injuries are quite high for falls above a person's height, so it's wonderful that you are alright!

sandy0225
09-10-2010, 05:37 PM
Glad to hear you're doing relatively well. What a scare though....
My sister was standing on a tall stepladder and fell off and even though she landed pretty well, she chipped her elbow and still to this day can't straighten her arm up all the way.

Also, be careful on 5 gallon buckets...I've been guilty of this several times thinking I didn't really need a "real ladder". Too lazy to get one. And the bucket was handy. Last time I fell down in the garage and landed with a wreath stand (wrought iron with a big hook on the front on a 5 lb base) stuck into my ribs on the left side right through my T shirt. The dr said it missed my heart by a couple of inches. That was about a month ago and I still have a big knot there that hurts like crazy when I bump it on anything.
Hope you get better real soon!

Bob
09-10-2010, 05:58 PM
Damn Harvey, ........I'm really glad you're reasonably ok. Won't tell any accident stories I know of and I've been lucky since I used them all my life but, we've lost enough friends here. Maybe it's time for us old farts to take things a bit slower and more attention to detail with some of the things we used to take for granted....think I will.

sunfish
09-10-2010, 06:10 PM
A month or so ago I fell of an extension ladder. There isn't enough room between my neighbors privet hedge and my wall to set the ladder at the right angle. Sure enough I leaned back a little to far the ladder pulled away from the wall and I ended up on top of the privet hedge.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36469&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36469&ppuser=2868)

island cassie
09-10-2010, 07:28 PM
Oh Harvey - that must have hurt so much!!! Glad you are not in worse shape, and take care friend!!

harveyc
09-10-2010, 10:02 PM
Hey, Tony, I'll take privet over roofs and concrete any day of the week! lol I imagine you could have had some branches poked into, though.

Regarding the 3-point rule, I don't think that is something I can apply to much of my work when I'm picking fruit, pruning a branch, using a chain saw, etc. Even when I've used a ladder for painting I have had a paint brush in one hand and had to move the paint can, etc. around with the other hand.

Jack, looks like that guys has lots of folks prepared to catch him! lol

sunfish
09-10-2010, 10:29 PM
Hey, Tony, I'll take privet over roofs and concrete any day of the week! lol I imagine you could have had some branches poked into, though.

Regarding the 3-point rule, I don't think that is something I can apply to much of my work when I'm picking fruit, pruning a branch, using a chain saw, etc. Even when I've used a ladder for painting I have had a paint brush in one hand and had to move the paint can, etc. around with the other hand.

Jack, looks like that guys has lots of folks prepared to catch him! lol

I was lucky,just a bruise and and a deep scratch from landing on a branch. Still hurt enough I thought I had really done some damage.I can't imagine the pain you must be in.

CoryS
09-11-2010, 01:27 AM
Sunfish, I can imagine but I don't have to. From Harvey's description he landed at least as hard as I did. I couldn't breathe and when somebody finally helped me get on my feet, I had to hold on to them to walk. They scanned me from the head down and didn't find anything fractured or broke so God must like both of us! But I had to sleep on my back and the pains didn't get much better for more than 6 weeks. My advice to Harvey is to have as much fun as he safely can and let anyone pamper him that wants to! :)

harveyc
09-11-2010, 01:46 AM
Thanks, Cory. This accident came at terrible timing as chestnut harvest will start any day and I'm still trying to get ready. I'm fortunate to have recently hired a good helper but he still needs direction and supervision on most tasks. I was on my feet most of the day today and hurt a lot more as a result. I'm hoping tomorrow will be a little better.

Magilla Gorilla
09-11-2010, 11:52 AM
Thanks, Cory. This accident came at terrible timing as chestnut harvest will start any day and I'm still trying to get ready. I'm fortunate to have recently hired a good helper but he still needs direction and supervision on most tasks. I was on my feet most of the day today and hurt a lot more as a result. I'm hoping tomorrow will be a little better.

WOW!!! I am happy you are feeling a little better and still with us. Take it easy my friend. Thank God you are o.k. As you know I have four ruptured discs and must have a helper even to dig a hole. Bob, some of us are not even old and need to take it easy. I can't afford to hurt myself playing in the garden. There is a time when you have to realize you can afford to pay someone to help you.

Jananas Bananas
09-11-2010, 10:03 PM
WOW! I am so glad you are OK Harvey! What a scare for you and your family. I know I would be freaked out if my husband took a spill like that. The man upstairs definitely has some grand plans for you. Hope you get to feeling much, much better sooner than later.

~JaNan

CoryS
09-11-2010, 11:19 PM
Magilla is def right! It's not just about age. I fell off just climbing too fast! Harvey, you sound like me now! It hurts worse if you move around too much so I tried to sit as much as I could. It does keep getting a little better though and after about 4 weeks, I only had to be carefull not to roll over in my sleep. :) After 6 weeks I could sleep on my left ribs but very carefully. Good luck with the harvest but be careful!

harveyc
09-12-2010, 12:33 AM
Cory, yeah that's a problem I've got right now. My back aches if I sleep on it full time but I just can't bear the pain to rotate to my sides for now.

Magilla Gorilla
09-12-2010, 12:54 AM
Cory, yeah that's a problem I've got right now. My back aches if I sleep on it full time but I just can't bear the pain to rotate to my sides for now.

Harvey, that's what muscle relaxers are for. Just to help you sleep. If you don't allow your body to rest then it takes longer to recover. Some nights I get only four hours of sleep. The body needs to recharge. Take it from me!
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l192/YeloZ06/CTScan.jpg

Bob
09-12-2010, 05:40 PM
Andrew... your words turned out prophetic.. I spent the afternoon yesterday buillding a small fieldstone rock wall for a shade garden... probably lifted a couple of tons anyway to get the finished product..my back hurts... my legs hurt... my arms.... you get the idea. Didn't sleep well due to pain last night and tonight's not looking good either. Someone remind me to hire someone next time!:ha:

Magilla Gorilla
09-12-2010, 05:55 PM
Andrew... your words turned out prophetic.. I spent the afternoon yesterday buillding a small fieldstone rock wall for a shade garden... probably lifted a couple of tons anyway to get the finished product..my back hurts... my legs hurt... my arms.... you get the idea. Didn't sleep well due to pain last night and tonight's not looking good either. Someone remind me to hire someone next time!:ha:

Bob, look at my spine. Hire someone!

saltydad
09-12-2010, 05:57 PM
Bob- I once did the same silly thing. rest well and feel better, buddy.

Jack Daw
09-12-2010, 07:11 PM
Andrew, that must heart a lot. What's the source of your problem? Sitting many hours at work and not much movement in general? Or some other habit?

harveyc
09-12-2010, 11:07 PM
Harvey, that's what muscle relaxers are for. Just to help you sleep. If you don't allow your body to rest then it takes longer to recover. Some nights I get only four hours of sleep. The body needs to recharge. Take it from me!

Andrew, I don't think my muscles are the problem as much as torn or strained ligaments, etc. I'm taking 10mg hydrocodone for pain and ibuprofen to reduce inflammation. Despite the severe bruising I've got, I don't hurt much in most of those areas compared to my left knee, left shoulder, and right hip. My best sleep seems to be when I sit in my recliner icing down my joints.

I've never seen an image like that of your spine. I hope doctors are able to get you overhauled!

MediaHound
09-13-2010, 07:06 AM
That scan machine is a medical marvel.. amazing.

CoryS
09-13-2010, 04:06 PM
Harvey, I had to take hydrocodone too but they prescribed a muscle relaxer that I didn't take since it made me feel weird. They said a lot of the damage was probably to the muscles and that the muscle relaxers would reduce the tensions and let them heal faster. And it was def a lot easier to sleep with my mattress propped so that I was kind of sitting up so I do understand how sleeping in a chair would help. :)

LilRaverBoi
09-13-2010, 09:01 PM
That scan machine is a medical marvel.. amazing.
Yeah, looked super cool for sure! I'm really wondering (from a medical practitioner prospective) what means this was generated from.... cause regular CT or MRI machines give transverse/sagital slices rather than a 3-D rendering! It must be some sort of rendering computationally calculated after normal scanning on one or the other.

harveyc
09-14-2010, 01:47 AM
I believe the image was labeled a CT (I noticed the letters on it), but it's sure a fancy one!

MediaHound
09-14-2010, 10:53 AM
Yea.. it would be cool if they could make a version of that scanning device combined into a suit wrapped in Organic LED fabric, so you can be a walking skeleton.
:2757::moonwalknaner::2783::2711:


:ha:

Patty in Wisc
09-16-2010, 10:34 AM
Wow Harvey Im glad all finished well considering danger from ladder falling. Ladders are on of common tools in my job, for ones that dont know I work as power line lineman, and there is never enough care dealing with ladders. U ALLWAYS must secure them, rope them, tide them thake extra help but NEVER leave them on their own. We usually use them on 10-12m (30-40ft) and use without safety belts and ropes is just impossiblle. For home use I recomend wooden ladders, avoid aluminium and plastics.
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww305/dalmatiansoap/maladuba002.jpg

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32466&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32466&ppuser=4565)
:woohoonaner:
Hey Ante, would you go up this ladder? Ladder looks fine but look at those wires!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36671&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36671&ppuser=432)
Glad you're OK Harvey

Magilla Gorilla
09-16-2010, 05:29 PM
Andrew, that must heart a lot. What's the source of your problem? Sitting many hours at work and not much movement in general? Or some other habit?

Pain is a relative thing. It has been this way for 14 years. You kind of get use to it. Trauma and bad genetics are the cause. Planting like a fool doesn't help but it makes me happy.

Andrew, I don't think my muscles are the problem as much as torn or strained ligaments, etc. I'm taking 10mg hydrocodone for pain and ibuprofen to reduce inflammation. Despite the severe bruising I've got, I don't hurt much in most of those areas compared to my left knee, left shoulder, and right hip. My best sleep seems to be when I sit in my recliner icing down my joints.

I've never seen an image like that of your spine. I hope doctors are able to get you overhauled!

Harvey,
As I explained, I am planning to go to Germany for four artificial discs. What sucks is that I have to pay for it. Insurance companies are not your friend! Are you feeling better? Muscle relaxants can help with the healing process. Especially at bed time.

Harvey, I had to take hydrocodone too but they prescribed a muscle relaxer that I didn't take since it made me feel weird. They said a lot of the damage was probably to the muscles and that the muscle relaxers would reduce the tensions and let them heal faster. And it was def a lot easier to sleep with my mattress propped so that I was kind of sitting up so I do understand how sleeping in a chair would help. :)

I agree!

I believe the image was labeled a CT (I noticed the letters on it), but it's sure a fancy one!

That was a CT scan. It enables you to have a 3D picture of my spine and then on the computer move the spine in any angle to evaluate it. You name it I have had it (CT, MRI, Discogram, Nerve conduction study, Steriod epidurals and Radiographs). I will soon glow in the dark! :)

harveyc
09-16-2010, 05:41 PM
Thanks, Andrew. I am still hurting quite a bit during the day once my hydrocodone wears off, so I can't say I feel any better yet. I feel pretty good by bedtime but haven't slept that well just due to insomnia or whatever. I'll try a muscle relaxant tonight as well to see if it helps with that.

I've had a never conduction study before for some other unexplained never damage just over four years ago. I felt like I was being tortured by Nazi soldiers trying to get me to divulge some secrets! What a terrible experience.

I don't envy your medical expenses, for sure, but I hope it will be well worth it to you. It seems my brother's latest surgery a couple of months ago was at least partly successful as the other day I saw him walking pretty well without a cane for the first time in at least a couple of years. He can actually walk faster than me now, lol.

Magilla Gorilla
09-16-2010, 05:52 PM
Thanks, Andrew. I am still hurting quite a bit during the day once my hydrocodone wears off, so I can't say I feel any better yet. I feel pretty good by bedtime but haven't slept that well just due to insomnia or whatever. I'll try a muscle relaxant tonight as well to see if it helps with that.

I've had a never conduction study before for some other unexplained never damage just over four years ago. I felt like I was being tortured by Nazi soldiers trying to get me to divulge some secrets! What a terrible experience.

I don't envy your medical expenses, for sure, but I hope it will be well worth it to you. It seems my brother's latest surgery a couple of months ago was at least partly successful as the other day I saw him walking pretty well without a cane for the first time in at least a couple of years. He can actually walk faster than me now, lol.

For me it was not Nazi soldiers but my wife who wanted to turn the dial and zap the crap out of me. Stop laughing or you will hurt yourself. Yes it was painful but never have a discogram! The purpose of that test is to see if they can elicit pain. They do give you pain medication after the procedure is finished and you want to or have passed out. I enjoyed it so much I have had two of them.

The back surgery is actually more than $500,000 cheaper in Germany. Go USA! It will be around $75,000 in Germany. Why do I pay for health insurance? Don't get me started!

CoryS
09-20-2010, 12:00 AM
Harvey, if that accident happened on 9/1 then you have at least made it through the first 3 weeks so the pain should lighten up some in a couple more. I dunno though, I was pretty hyper so it might get better sooner for you. Did the muscle relaxers help?

harveyc
09-20-2010, 12:29 AM
Hi Cory,

Some pains are definitely less now than in the beginning but my shoulder is hurting at least as much as it did in the beginning. Actually, I don't remember my shoulder hurting for the first couple of days. I'll see an orthopedic doctor for my shoulder on Tuesday and again on Thursday for my left knee. My knee doesn't hurt much unless I touch it, but it's swollen and sometimes my foot swells up as well if I overdo it. My right hip may hurt a little less than in the beginning but it still leads me to walk in an unstable manner at times. I've taken the muscle relaxants before going to bed the past two or three nights and it's helped me get more sleep.

We're at peak chestnut harvest right now and I was washing and bagging 30 pound bags of chestnuts while my worker and son were sorting late yesterday. I try not to use my left arm more than necessary but it's pretty hard to avoid it as much as I'd like and that's probably why it's hurting pretty bad right now (plus the fact that I just went 5 hours between pain pills).

Thanks for the support. It means a lot as I do get discouraged with the limitations when I really need to be able to get around better.

CoryS
09-20-2010, 06:17 PM
It's good you're gonna see a doctor about those things. I prolly shoulda taken the muscle relaxers cause I kept waking up a lot. But I did the same thing. I just kept trying to find ways to do things but remember, always find the easiest way and never push too hard. It will get better! After only 8 weeks, I was doing anything I wanted to with no probs!

MediaHound
03-17-2011, 08:41 AM
Harvey, how are you feeling?

How are you feeling after watching this?

http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player.swf?config=http://www.liveleak.com/mp53/player_config.php?token=07b_1284580365%26embed=1
Stairway to Heaven (A climbers view going up a 1768 foot guided tower)

Ante, those guys probably laugh at what you do! And I thought you were nuts.. those guys are just insane!

harveyc
03-17-2011, 08:58 AM
Thanks, Jarred, I'm about 99% recovered with just a little shoulder pain from time to time. I had some damaged cartilage in a knee that had some pain only when the side of my knee was touched that still bothered me a month ago but that's gone completely. I've been climbing my ladder and pruning my chestnut orchard this week and have regained some confidence but am still a bit anxious when standing near the top!

A friend shared that video with me a couple of weeks ago and I broke out in a sweat watching it and felt like I was going to pass out. I just couldn't bare to watch it to the end. That is just totally nuts!

saltydad
03-17-2011, 09:05 PM
Thanks, Jarred, I'm about 99% recovered with just a little shoulder pain from time to time. I had some damaged cartilage in a knee that had some pain only when the side of my knee was touched that still bothered me a month ago but that's gone completely. I've been climbing my ladder and pruning my chestnut orchard this week and have regained some confidence but am still a bit anxious when standing near the top!

A friend shared that video with me a couple of weeks ago and I broke out in a sweat watching it and felt like I was going to pass out. I just couldn't bare to watch it to the end. That is just totally nuts!


Glad to hear the good news! I also couldn't finish; when he got to the top I was actually queasy.

harveyc
03-17-2011, 10:46 PM
Glad to hear the good news! I also couldn't finish; when he got to the top I was actually queasy.

Yeah, queasy and more for me....I thought I might pass out! lol I remember thinking the terrible outcome if one of those tower climbers came down with the same feelings as me during their climb. There seems to be something very wrong that anybody should have to work in such an environment!

Patty in Wisc
03-18-2011, 12:09 PM
That's crazy!! I felt queezy too...worst than looking out a plane window.