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venturabananas
08-24-2010, 08:04 PM
I'd like to plant a sucrier type banana, but my impression is that many of the varieties in this group need truly tropical conditions to do well. Can anyone point me to a sucrier variety that might do well in zone 10?

Thanks

Gabe15
08-24-2010, 11:26 PM
The Sucrier are all fairly uniform as far as I have seen, are you set on a Sucrier or just small sweet dessert type?

'Rose' makes a somewhat similar fruit and I have seen it grown successfully in Southern California.

venturabananas
08-25-2010, 12:37 AM
Gabe, I was interested in sucrier types because I'd read some raves about the flavor of orito, senorita, nino, etc., which I think are all in the sucrier group. I thought it might be nice to have one of this group as something different from what I have already planted. But I don't want to plant something that just isn't going to be able to hack the Southern California climate.

Should I take your response to mean that all sucrier types pretty much need tropical climates?

Gabe15
08-26-2010, 03:38 AM
'Senorita' is not a Sucrier, but an Inarnibal. I don't have experience with Sucrier outside of Hawaii so I can't comment on how well it does on the mainland in cooler climates.

But like I said, I've seen 'Rose' do pretty well in Southern California (San Diego) and it has a similar fruit (small, sweet, flavorful). It is also a very vigorous plant that produces many suckers and can fruit many times at once.

venturabananas
08-26-2010, 07:54 AM
Thanks Gabe, maybe I'll give rose a try. Just out of curiosity, what are some of the sucrier types that are commonly available to someone in the US?

NANAMAN
08-26-2010, 03:39 PM
Thanks Gabe, maybe I'll give rose a try. Just out of curiosity, what are some of the sucrier types that are commonly available to someone in the US?

Nino, Datil

sandy0225
08-26-2010, 06:10 PM
Rose did well potted here in Indiana, until I sold them all.

NANAMAN
08-26-2010, 08:49 PM
I've grown Nino,Senorita, and am still growing Datil. So far I'm not real impressed with the flavor of either. Maybe because of the climate, the flavor doesn't develop fully, or maybe what I taste is how they are supposed to be. Don't get me wrong, they are good! Just sweet and a little bland. But I guess I just prefer bananas with more sub-acid flavor.The Senorita also took a bit longer to produce and ripen it's fruit than is reported in the tropics.. I'm also growing the Rose, and just as Gabe said, they are vigorous and produce fast! Can't tell ya what they taste like yet, this will be the first harvest.

The first picture is from May 30th.
Rose

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32236&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32236)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35337&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35337)

This is 2 mo. later, now the pup from the first picture has a flower, and this bunch is about twice that size.

imclueless17
08-26-2010, 09:01 PM
Hey nanaman do you have any sources for datil. (other than the ones you grow)

NANAMAN
08-26-2010, 09:49 PM
No, a friend who is a tropical plant collector, gave me most of the varieties that I've grown. I work out of town, and am only home 4 days a month, so it's hard to find the time to do anything with them. I'm stuck in Wonderful Los Angeles as we speak!

Iunepeace
05-17-2012, 05:57 AM
That's amazingly fast! Park Lake is a little north and west from my island and it's usually a bit warmer here so I might get that to put even faster! I'd love to get my hands on a Rose :D


I've grown Nino,Senorita, and am still growing Datil. So far I'm not real impressed with the flavor of either. Maybe because of the climate, the flavor doesn't develop fully, or maybe what I taste is how they are supposed to be. Don't get me wrong, they are good! Just sweet and a little bland. But I guess I just prefer bananas with more sub-acid flavor.The Senorita also took a bit longer to produce and ripen it's fruit than is reported in the tropics.. I'm also growing the Rose, and just as Gabe said, they are vigorous and produce fast! Can't tell ya what they taste like yet, this will be the first harvest.

The first picture is from May 30th.
Rose

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32236&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32236)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35337&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35337)

This is 2 mo. later, now the pup from the first picture has a flower, and this bunch is about twice that size.

venturabananas
05-17-2012, 11:08 AM
Brian, what was your take on the flavor of Rose? Similar to Sucrier?

I have a nice little patch of Rose growing (from Jon, Pitangadiego). They do pup a lot. They are attractive and do OK with our cool (not cold) winters. I'm hoping I'll get a flower or two this year but the plants are still on the small side.

I did end up planting a Sucrier variety, "Kluai Khai". It has done OK, but definitely doesn't like winter. It too, is still small. Maybe someday it'll fruit for me.

Iunepeace
05-17-2012, 12:28 PM
That's great to hear Ventura! How old is the Rose mat you have? :D

Brian, what was your take on the flavor of Rose? Similar to Sucrier?

I have a nice little patch of Rose growing (from Jon, Pitangadiego). They do pup a lot. They are attractive and do OK with our cool (not cold) winters. I'm hoping I'll get a flower or two this year but the plants are still on the small side.

I did end up planting a Sucrier variety, "Kluai Khai". It has done OK, but definitely doesn't like winter. It too, is still small. Maybe someday it'll fruit for me.

venturabananas
05-17-2012, 12:54 PM
That's great to hear Ventura! How old is the Rose mat you have? :D

Well, it's about a year and a half old, but given that I started it and fall and the two original pups nearly died that winter, it is effectively younger. In "tropical years" it's about 0.5 years. :ha:

Iunepeace
05-20-2012, 10:58 PM
Well, it's about a year and a half old, but given that I started it and fall and the two original pups nearly died that winter, it is effectively younger. In "tropical years" it's about 0.5 years. :ha:

Cool! I'd love to see how that does in my climate lol :D

Kostas
06-06-2012, 03:23 AM
How did the Sucrier fare for you in winter? What difference did you see in how it handled the winter from the rest of your bananas? How much cold has it seen? I have a Sucrier cv(Pisang Buntal) i am growing some months now and i debating where to plant it.

Thank you very much in advance! :)

venturabananas
06-06-2012, 09:22 PM
How did the Sucrier fare for you in winter? What difference did you see in how it handled the winter from the rest of your bananas? How much cold has it seen? I have a Sucrier cv(Pisang Buntal) i am growing some months now and i debating where to plant it.

Well, it's doing fine now. It didn't like winter -- the leaves it made over winter were much smaller than the ones it had been been making before winter, but now they are back to what they were before. Compared to many other types I have (e.g., Pisang Awak varieties, Dwarf Brazilian, Rajapuri, Manzano, Orinoco, Mysore varieties, etc.), it didn't like winter. On the other hand, it didn't do any worse than all the Cavendish varieties I have. That said, by many standards, we don't get much cold in Ventura. We had no frost this winter. Several nights were in the mid to high 30's (i.e., 1-2 C plus).

NANAMAN
06-06-2012, 10:43 PM
Brian, what was your take on the flavor of Rose? Similar to Sucrier?

I have a nice little patch of Rose growing (from Jon, Pitangadiego). They do pup a lot. They are attractive and do OK with our cool (not cold) winters. I'm hoping I'll get a flower or two this year but the plants are still on the small side.

I did end up planting a Sucrier variety, "Kluai Khai". It has done OK, but definitely doesn't like winter. It too, is still small. Maybe someday it'll fruit for me.

I'm sorry I missed this post before!

I still have not tried the Rose. I removed the plant to make room for others. I do have one in bloom right now though, so I should get to try it this year.

Kostas
06-07-2012, 01:40 AM
Thank you very much Mark for sharing the details! I will select the warmest spot,as I will do for my AAA's :)

ron_mcb
11-05-2012, 04:57 PM
I know no one will know what I'm talking about if I ask this...

Does anyone In cooler areas ever have a problem with these things not filing out properly? not just sucrier... i seem to See that a lot Of this mostly in bananas with red coloring on the p stem. A lot of aa/ aaa etc. I had 2 gran nain with approx 190 fruit between the two that didnt get as big as I hoped. I think I recall someone in florida having similar issues.

venturabananas
11-05-2012, 06:50 PM
I know no one will know what I'm talking about if I ask this...

Does anyone In cooler areas ever have a problem with these things not filing out properly? not just sucrier... i seem to See that a lot Of this mostly in bananas with red coloring on the p stem. A lot of aa/ aaa etc. I had 2 gran nain with approx 190 fruit between the two that didnt get as big as I hoped. I think I recall someone in florida having similar issues.

I get the impression that is pretty common with some varieties. For example, the Dwarf Brazilian in warm Hawaii get way bigger than those grown here in cool Ventura. I've never seen a full size Cavendish here, either.

sunfish
11-05-2012, 07:21 PM
I know no one will know what I'm talking about if I ask this...

Does anyone In cooler areas ever have a problem with these things not filing out properly? not just sucrier... i seem to See that a lot Of this mostly in bananas with red coloring on the p stem. A lot of aa/ aaa etc. I had 2 gran nain with approx 190 fruit between the two that didnt get as big as I hoped. I think I recall someone in florida having similar issues.

http://www.bananas.org/f2/what-controls-finger-length-6643.html#post58560

ron_mcb
11-05-2012, 07:27 PM
Yeah some types need more tropical influence to reach full potential.. Does anyone have experience with logees ladyfinger? Isn't that really a sucrier with aa genetics? nino? I saw ads claiming it fruits in pots. What ever it is ive seen a few pics from the states where they had a chance to really swell

venturabananas
11-05-2012, 08:33 PM
Yeah some types need more tropical influence to reach full potential.. Does anyone have experience with logees ladyfinger? Isn't that really a sucrier with aa genetics? nino? I saw ads claiming it fruits in pots. What ever it is ive seen a few pics from the states where they had a chance to really swell

My experience with it is that it is slow and hates my cool wet winters! Mine is still alive, but very small after nearly dying during last winter. With your warm summers, it might do well for you.

Gabe says it is just a Cavendish sport. I'd have to agree, from what I've seen -- which does NOT include fruit on mine! :ha: It is definitely not a Sucrier and doesn't look like an AA of any type to me.

bananimal
11-05-2012, 11:57 PM
I tried twice to grow the Logees Lfinger. Both times the plant grew to 4 ft looking ok then declined. Tried to save its pups by potting. They croaked after 9 months and never showed any vigor. It can't stand cool weather for one thing. Something else was wrong too but don't know what. Same thing with Gran Nain. All the others grow, pup and fruit like crazy.

ron_mcb
11-06-2012, 06:32 AM
My experience with it is that it is slow and hates my cool wet winters! Mine is still alive, but very small after nearly dying during last winter. With your warm summers, it might do well for you.

Gabe says it is just a Cavendish sport. I'd have to agree, from what I've seen -- which does NOT include fruit on mine! :ha: It is definitely not a Sucrier and doesn't look like an AA of any type to me.

Ok the sucrier comment was based on something I read online. :+ )
Well glad I didn't try it.. Maybe two years ago an ebay seller got mad at me for asking if he was really sdc instead of what he was advertising.. I asked him if he may have obtained the plant from a bad source. He said he ordered it directly from the nursery. i saw the fruit pics and thats all I could think of.. Mystery solved I guess?

venturabananas
11-06-2012, 08:02 AM
Ok the sucrier comment was based on something I read online. :+ )
Well glad I didn't try it.. Maybe two years ago an ebay seller got mad at me for asking if he was really sdc instead of what he was advertising.. I asked him if he may have obtained the plant from a bad source. He said he ordered it directly from the nursery. i saw the fruit pics and thats all I could think of.. Mystery solved I guess?

Yes, I guess so. I don't think it is actually SDC -- doesn't seem stocky enough -- but probably just another very dwarfed sport of a Cavendish variety.