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oldguardmom
08-24-2010, 07:33 PM
I have another question. I dug up 2 pups from my mother plant and I didnt get down deep enough then the angle was awful, and when I pulled them up I had no roots. I took a chance and planted them any way. I water them everyday hoping they will survive. Am I waisting my time or should keep watering?
Thank you

imclueless17
08-24-2010, 07:42 PM
No you are not wasting your time at all. The piece of corm attached to the pup will put out roots and it most likely will grow. But to much watering could still make them rot...Good Luck!

hammer
08-24-2010, 07:43 PM
I had one back in early summer with no roots that made it i did just has you water every day some root stimulater would help.

You may want to try taking the leaves off to give it more energy. and as far as rot its late summer i dont know what the temps are were you are but here you could put a firehose on it and it would not rot.

ron_mcb
08-24-2010, 08:22 PM
You may want to try taking the leaves off to give it more energy. and as far as rot its late summer i dont know what the temps are were you are but here you could put a firehose on it and it would not rot. summer temps will not always stop rot. Winter or summer If a banana corm is not taking up the water you are giving it or its not draining then its roots can rot.. Ive seen it too many times.

hammer
08-24-2010, 08:32 PM
summer temps will not always stop rot. Winter or summer If a banana corm is not taking up the water you are giving it or its not draining then its roots can rot.. Ive seen it too many times.Some banana plants live in ponds in the water all summer and there is no soil.

ron_mcb
08-24-2010, 08:56 PM
Some banana plants live in ponds in the water all summer and there is no soil. thanks shannon but i dont think the question was not about aquatic or marine dwelling banana/musa species... Im not even familiar with those types. With most land dwelling bananas keep the soil moist but not waterloged.

imclueless17
08-24-2010, 09:07 PM
Well it is true that almost any musa species can adapt to marine environments. But...It takes a long time gradually immersing the whole root system in water for long periods of time. A banana which was not been gradually introduced to an environment such as this would react badly and most likely rot in warmer conditions. You also have to think about the fact that there is alot more water in a small pond where a water dwelling naner would live then in a small pot where the water can boil if to much is applied.
-Jamie

sunfish
08-24-2010, 09:18 PM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.firstrays.com%2Froot_rot.htm&rct=j&q=what%20causes%20root%20rot&ei=C3x0TLGAIY2esQPyl4SoBg&usg=AFQjCNEHPCKb_0D5UrFGuGxh7m6zLkiJsQ&cad=rja

oldguardmom
08-25-2010, 10:03 AM
I live in Southern Ohio so I have a month or two of good weather here. The pups that I dug up were about 2 1/2 feet tall. The mother plant was outside when I removed them. Planted in dirt heavy mulch was added. I will try remove the leaves and keep watering. I will keep you all updated and I will add a photo of the plants in a day or two. Thank you again for your time, it really helps for new growers like me.

Richard
08-25-2010, 11:12 AM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CCYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.firstrays.com%2Froot_rot.htm&rct=j&q=what%20causes%20root%20rot&ei=C3x0TLGAIY2esQPyl4SoBg&usg=AFQjCNEHPCKb_0D5UrFGuGxh7m6zLkiJsQ&cad=rja

Excellent article, primarily for orchid growers but extrapolates well to other plants.

frankthetank
08-26-2010, 01:44 PM
I'm having the same problem, except all of my pups i'm digging have no roots, even big ones. I have no idea if i'm not digging out far enough or what. The pups are RIGHT NEXT to the mother plant. I have enough room to get a sharp knife between them and thats it. I've got 6 potted up so we'll see what happens.

sandy0225
08-26-2010, 05:22 PM
some kinds of bananas seem to have the pups coming more off the bottom of the plant. For example chinese yellow, and bordelon. So if you're dividing those and you pretty much have to dig the momma plant, rinse it off with a hose and then cut the pups up with a knife and then replant all of them.

LilRaverBoi
08-27-2010, 11:32 PM
I would say you are not wasting your time. Bananas often are surprising plants and are much more hardy than we may expect. I'd pot it, place it in a shady place for a few weeks (to promote root growth rather than foliage growth) and water sparingly so as to prevent rot formation. In any regard, the damage is already done, so to speak, so there is no harm in attempting to save it, right?

Well it is true that almost any musa species can adapt to marine environments. But...It takes a long time gradually immersing the whole root system in water for long periods of time. A banana which was not been gradually introduced to an environment such as this would react badly and most likely rot in warmer conditions. You also have to think about the fact that there is alot more water in a small pond where a water dwelling naner would live then in a small pot where the water can boil if to much is applied.
-Jamie
I've never heard this....quite the contrary....that bananas do not like their feet to be wet for prolonged periods of time. Do you have any research/experience to back this up? Not trying to be a dick, just trying to learn as much as I can.

musa_monkey
08-28-2010, 07:57 AM
The only way i have ever had a (Sikki) pup develop roots
after seperating without roots was to cut back the leaves then suspend it over a pond and water to drain. Basically i put it in a basket filled with gravel then diverted some of the pond waterfall flow to the basket which drained back into the pond. The pup saw a constant flow of nutrient rich (from the pond fish) oxygenated water and developed roots in about 6 weeks after which i potted it up. This is really a very basic form of aquaponics.

All the other methods i have tried resulted in pups rotting.
i will use this method again next time i get a rootless pup.

...assuming this works....here's a picture
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/musa_monkey/waterpups.jpg

imclueless17
08-28-2010, 08:25 AM
From what I have read bananas can adapt to aquatic environments if they are introduced to it gradually.

sunfish
08-28-2010, 09:13 AM
From what I have read bananas can adapt to aquatic environments if they are introduced to it gradually.

http://www.bananas.org/f311/experimenting-growing-banana-water-8573.html#post83023

Bob
08-28-2010, 09:19 AM
Hi OGM, it never hurts to try especially during warm weather with pups. I accidently cut of a very tiny Veinte Cohol pup while removing a larger one and potted it up anyway about a month ago. It hasn't put on much top growth but I just checked and the new roots are developing very well from what little corm was attached to the top. Nothing ventured....

Comercial producers in Hawaii regularly plant larger pups and in fact often time cut the roots off to prevent spreading pests with no trouble at all. Of course if we were in Hawaii .....it'd be too easy:ha:

natej740
08-28-2010, 06:53 PM
I've never heard this....quite the contrary....that bananas do not like their feet to be wet for prolonged periods of time. Do you have any research/experience to back this up? Not trying to be a dick, just trying to learn as much as I can.

There was a lady on here last year that had a cavendish growing in a goldfish pond...If i remember right she said she gradually lowered the pot into the water over months till all the roots were completely submerged. She said it was growing fine...

sunfish
08-28-2010, 07:07 PM
There was a lady on here last year that had a cavendish growing in a goldfish pond...If i remember right she said she gradually lowered the pot into the water over months till all the roots were completely submerged. She said it was growing fine...

http://www.bananas.org/f311/experimenting-growing-banana-water-8573.html#post83023

frankthetank
08-30-2010, 09:00 AM
I just checked on 4 of my potted up basjoos without roots because they looked really rough. All of them were slimey/had a white mold growing on them and were starting to rot in the interior. So basically you are screwed if you don't have roots? I tried this last year and ended up tossing a bunch of pups... My SDCs never have this problem it seems, but they have roots when i dig them.

This stinks. Going to be tough to really multiply them without getting pups.

oldguardmom
08-30-2010, 11:26 PM
Here is a picture of the two pups I cut away from the mother plant and didnt get any roots. I keep watering them everyday. It has been almost 2 weeks since I committed this haynes act. I still have hope but it is not looking good. This is also a test to see if I am able to post the picture.C:\Users\Tania\Pictures\2010-08-30

http://C:\Users\Tania\Pictures\2010-08-30

Ok one more try and lets see if it works now I didnt get it right on the last post, oh brother.

Patty in Wisc
09-01-2010, 01:53 PM
You may be killing it with kindness by watering too much.

LilRaverBoi
09-01-2010, 03:30 PM
You may be killing it with kindness by watering too much.
Yup...and this is very easy to do with new transplants as they do not have the root system to take up large amounts of water as an established plant would while in active growth.

oldguardmom
09-01-2010, 08:51 PM
Here we go my son told me how to go about adding the photo. Thanks Matt
I dug them from the mother plant, thought I had roots, of course there was none. I planted them any way. I have been watering heavly everyday and they started to get brown. Some one told me to back off so much water so I am going to try to water every other day with a small amount of water.
If the picture doesent show up this time I am going to go out and kick them out of the ground.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36217&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36217)

LilRaverBoi
09-02-2010, 03:12 PM
Best bet is to water when the soil gets dry.....not on any particular schedule. If you keep them too wet, they will for sure rot, especially without many roots. Best of luck!

oldguardmom
09-12-2010, 12:25 AM
The pups didnt make it, next of kin will be notified.

natej740
09-12-2010, 03:06 PM
The pups didnt make it, next of kin will be notified.

Dont give up hope yet they may still throw up a few pups...

musa_monkey
09-15-2010, 12:48 PM
Just an update on my latest efforts to get pups to root via Aquaponics. I am pleased to report another success.

This is Musa sikkimensis manipur before Aquaponic rescue
Zero root formation.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/musa_monkey/no_root.jpg

This is the same pup several weeks later now showing roots
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff14/musa_monkey/rooted.jpg

Needless to say i am well pleased. :nanadrink: Having now done this a few times with pups that were taken without roots i will continue to use this method in future.