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saltydad
08-24-2010, 05:58 PM
As much as we all love bananas, many also have an itch for palms, hibiscus, cannas, etc. I've noted a number of folks here grow plumeria, as I do. Here is a place to put your thoughts, pics, and other musings on what I consider is one of the most beautiful members of the plant world.

I'll also start with a fert question. What do you feed your plummies? I am using Plumeria Blend from Stokes Tropical. It's 8-14-10 with minors. I ask because the blooming on my potted plumerias has been nil for the past 2 years. Any other suggestions?

Hope to see a large number of contributions. Thanks!

stumpy4700
08-24-2010, 06:17 PM
I have been using just plain ol Miracle-gro 24-8-16. Good growth, but as you no blooms. I will post a pic tommorrow.

saltydad
08-24-2010, 06:22 PM
Here's a pic of my large plummie blooming inside in 2008.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9882&size=1

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=9881&size=1

stumpy4700
08-24-2010, 06:38 PM
WOW I'm jealous. heres my lil stick...

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36036&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36036)

Same plant different angle

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36035&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36035)

saltydad
08-24-2010, 06:58 PM
Nice- do you know which variety?

Here's some of my cuttings.

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35605&size=1

stumpy4700
08-24-2010, 08:54 PM
It was a graft that I got on e-bay. They called it a Danai Delight. Your look so much better. I might have to switch fertilizer.

Below is a picture I pulled off the web

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36042&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36042)

The Hollyberry Lady
08-24-2010, 10:16 PM
Great thread, Howard! http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/hollyberrylady08/2nd%20album/flowerpink.gif


Here is a Plummie cutting I got from Bob and I stuck it in the earth with some peat moss and blood and bonemeal below...


http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/hollyberrylady08/2nd%20album/DSCI3354.jpg


Plus too, Bob gave me seeds for this type called "three kings". Although the shot is not my own, thought I'd show the beautiful color it will be...


http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/hollyberrylady08/threekingsPlumeria.jpg


This was an indoor cutting that produced a bud and it began to bloom back in late Winter/early Spring...


http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/hollyberrylady08/DSCI2359.jpg


Very cool thread, again Howard. Thanks for starting it. I'll show more shots later...


: )

palmtree
08-24-2010, 10:59 PM
My plumeria pudica was looking really bad when it went outside this spring after being attacked by spider mites. I put it in a full sun location in the ground and it took off!!! Now it has 3 inflos and just started to bloom! As of today it has 4 flowers on it. Its been blooming for a week.
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1659.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1659.jpg" border="0" alt="Aug 19 plumeria pudica"></a><a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1660.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1660.jpg" border="0" alt="Aug 19 plumeria pudica 1st flower"></a>
I found this inflo on the pudica only 2 inches away from the inflo currently in bloom!!!
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1664.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1664.jpg" border="0" alt="Another inflo on pudica"></a>
Anybody got any tips on rooting plumerias?? When I got this variegated plumeria it was a rooted plant, but a poorly rooted one and it rotted on the bottom. So I cut the stem above the rot and placed it in some soil. Its growing some small leaves, but I dont think its rooted yet. Its been maybe 2 months now and I do occasionally water it (its been extremely hot and there has been very little rain until recently).
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1666.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1666.jpg" border="0" alt="Variegated plumeria"></a>
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1667.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1667.jpg" border="0" alt="Variegated plumeria"></a>
I really recommend plumeria divine! This is my second year with it and it has grown so much, but not so tall. Its been in bloom since late june and the flowers smell great!!
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1669.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1669.jpg" border="0" alt="Divine"></a>
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1671.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1671.jpg" border="0" alt="Plumeria divine"></a>
Unknown plumeria. Sometimes these are the best because you have no idea what the bloom color can be!! They said the blooms were white, but you never know for sure until it blooms!!
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1675.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1675.jpg" border="0" alt="Plumeria inflo"></a>
Plumeria pretty princess in its second year
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1676.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1676.jpg" border="0" alt="Pretty princess plumeria"></a>
Pretty princess plumeria inflo.
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1677.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1677.jpg" border="0" alt="Plumeria inflo on pretty princess"></a>
My first plumeria! I received it last spring (2 years ago) and it was 2 feet tall.
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1678.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1678.jpg" border="0" alt="plumeria"></a>
I occasionally feed my plumerias with fish emulsion. Anyone know if fish fish emulsion goes bad if left outside in extreme heat for too long??
I really love the look of plumerias! They are fast growers and make beautiful fragrant flowers. Ive never seen them sold in ANY local nurseries! Anyone living in a non-tropical (or nearly freeze-free) climate and see plumerias sold at stores near them? I currently have 8 plumerias and the collection is growing!

The Hollyberry Lady
08-24-2010, 11:05 PM
Stunning shots, Palmtree! http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/hollyberrylady08/2nd%20album/2.gif


: )

palmtree
08-24-2010, 11:50 PM
Stunning shots, Palmtree! http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/oo193/hollyberrylady08/2nd%20album/2.gif


: )

Thanks a lot Sherry!!!!!!

MediaHound
08-25-2010, 12:24 AM
@palmtree, for tips on rooting -
Dry the stick first for a couple weeks.
Mix soil with pearlite 50/50. This is a good draining mix. If you have peat you can use that also, 1/3.
Wet the end of the plumeria stick about two inches (dip in water about 2 inches).
Stick in a jar of rooting hormone to coat the tip.
Bury in the potting mix (in a liner) a few inches deep.
Water once to soak, drench it. Then don't water for several weeks.
You are well on your way to rooting success from here.


:)
Here's a pic to add to some more eye candy to the thread:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=3054&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3054&si=plumeria&what=allfields&name=MediaHound&name=MediaHound)

MediaHound
08-25-2010, 12:26 AM
This is just pea gravel that you see, 1 layer thin above the soil mixture for aesthetics and erosion protection.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=787&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=787&si=plumeria&what=allfields&name=MediaHound&name=MediaHound)

stumpy4700
08-25-2010, 01:11 AM
@palmtree, for tips on rooting -
Dry the stick first for a couple weeks.
Mix soil with pearlite 50/50. This is a good draining mix. If you have peat you can use that also, 1/3.
Wet the end of the plumeria stick about two inches (dip in water about 2 inches).
Stick in a jar of rooting hormone to coat the tip.
Bury in the potting mix (in a liner) a few inches deep.
Water once to soak, drench it. Then don't water for several weeks.
You are well on your way to rooting success from here.


:)
Here's a pic to add to some more eye candy to the thread:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=3054&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3054&si=plumeria&what=allfields&name=MediaHound&name=MediaHound)

Media hound I love the leaves on that one. What is its name?

cherokee_greg
08-25-2010, 08:38 AM
I just started growing these. I have one that is going to bloom. I used worm castings and cactus mix. And I use banana fuel,They seem to love it.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35784&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35784&ppuser=5959)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=35783&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=35783&ppuser=5959)

Steve L
08-25-2010, 09:07 AM
When I was bitten by the tropical plant bug in 1992, plumeria were the first plants I acquired. I've never gotten tired of them. My collection consisits of Princess Victoria, Princess Anne Rosselli, Princess Anita Rosa, Kauka Wilder, Duke, Hilo Beauty, Scott Pratt, Celadine, Kaulanani, Jeanne Morange Jr., Miami Rose, and Madame Poni. I plant mine in the ground around March 15 of each spring, and dig them up in the fall around Oct. 15 and store them in my garage. But this past winter, I was unable to supply enough heat to them and my 8 to 12 foot trees are now 1 to 2 foot trees except for 2. The severe winter did considerable damage to them. Obviously, not many blooms this summer. I have historically fertilized with a Super Bloom fertilizer and my trees have flowered profusely. I have lots of pictures of some of my plumeria in my gallery.

Steve

cherokee_greg
08-25-2010, 10:33 AM
As much as we all love bananas, many also have an itch for palms, hibiscus, cannas, etc. I've noted a number of folks here grow plumeria, as I do. Here is a place to put your thoughts, pics, and other musings on what I consider is one of the most beautiful members of the plant world.

I'll also start with a fert question. What do you feed your plummies? I am using Plumeria Blend from Stokes Tropical. It's 8-14-10 with minors. I ask because the blooming on my potted plumerias has been nil for the past 2 years. Any other suggestions?

Hope to see a large number of contributions. Thanks!

Here is some diffrent foods to feed your plumerias, I have not tried them but im going too. Nice thread too by the way,thanks
Here is the link
Fertilizing Plumeria (http://www.plumeria101.com/fertilizer.html)

The Hollyberry Lady
08-25-2010, 12:32 PM
Yes Jarred, that is stunning with the variegated leaves, I agree! Can't wait for you tell us what that is...


Oh this is going to be a wonderful thread! :goteam:


: )

cherokee_greg
08-25-2010, 12:59 PM
Yes Jarred, that is stunning with the variegated leaves, I agree! Can't wait for you tell us what that is...


Oh this is going to be a wonderful thread! :goteam:


: )

could it be this one ? there is even a 50% off on all plants here
Plumeria Maya (http://www.stokestropicals.com/Plumeria-Maya.htm)

Steve L
08-25-2010, 01:13 PM
That particular plumeria, Maya, is imported from Thailand which is famous for imparting viruses in their plumeria and producing some of the wildest looking variegated blooms around. In the case of Maya, the leaves became variegated. These viruses are commonly thought to be transferrable from one plant to another if the are in close proximity but to my knowledge, they have not produced any fatalities. My own Princess Victoria is a virused plumeria with beautiful, but only occasional, variegated blooms.

Steve

stumpy4700
08-25-2010, 01:23 PM
could it be this one ? there is even a 50% off on all plants here
Plumeria Maya (http://www.stokestropicals.com/Plumeria-Maya.htm)

is $70 bucks with the 50% off? ouchhhhhhh

palmtree
08-25-2010, 01:31 PM
Thanks jarred for the tip on rooting them! Although now Im concerned about if this is a virused plant. I got it from a seller in the US, but they probably got it from a different country. Should I get rid of it? I dont know of any bugs here that eat plumeria (they all seem to leave the plumerias alone), but Im still concerned that the virus will spread. So far none of my plumeria show signs of being virused (well except for the variegated one!). Hope its okay and any help is really appreciated!!! Btw, nice plumerias everyone!!

cherokee_greg
08-25-2010, 01:33 PM
is $70 bucks with the 50% off? ouchhhhhhh

no thats before this is a big plant too plus its from the us all the others I saw like this are from out of the country. Its in a 3 gallon pot.

Steve L
08-25-2010, 02:19 PM
Thanks jarred for the tip on rooting them! Although now Im concerned about if this is a virused plant. I got it from a seller in the US, but they probably got it from a different country. Should I get rid of it? I dont know of any bugs here that eat plumeria (they all seem to leave the plumerias alone), but Im still concerned that the virus will spread. So far none of my plumeria show signs of being virused (well except for the variegated one!). Hope its okay and any help is really appreciated!!! Btw, nice plumerias everyone!!

You don't need to worry about the virus as it only provides the variegation; in the case of Maya, it is in the variegated leaves; in the case of others, like Princess Victoria, it in the blooms. Maya has been around for 10 years or so. No problem.

Steve

MediaHound
08-25-2010, 06:17 PM
Media hound I love the leaves on that one. What is its name?
Usually you can click any pic to go to the gallery to read more.
:nanadrink:
Its called Ploy Chom Pu. I got it mailed from Thailand.
:2722::0519:

MediaHound
08-25-2010, 06:20 PM
And yes, its technically virused from what I understand.

saltydad
08-25-2010, 07:36 PM
I had a cutting from Thailand called Mai Thai. It was supposed to be a solid purple bloom. Unfortunately, this was early in my plumeria experience, and I killed it with overwatering. Anyone ever grown this variety? Plumeria 100 Seeds/Plants/Flowers/"Mixed"/10 TypeRare! - eBay (item 370421841869 end time Aug-25-10 18:08:59 PDT) (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?campid=5336119895&customid=Bananas.org&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2FPlumeria-100-Seeds-Plants-Flowers-Mixed-10-TypeRare-%2F370421841869%3Fpt%3DLH_DefaultDomain_0%26hash%3Ditem563edcbfc d) Overlook the photoshopped color, it's still beautiful.
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palmtree
08-25-2010, 09:59 PM
Thanks for the help everyone with the virused plumeria. Im going to keep it for sure, but since I dont support growing virused plants, Im going to refrain from buying any more plumerias with color breaks (viruses). Im glad its not like that terrible canna virus which spreads like wildfire and kills cannas or at least weakens them severely. Plumerias sure are amazing trees!

cherokee_greg
08-27-2010, 09:03 AM
You don't need to worry about the virus as it only provides the variegation; in the case of Maya, it is in the variegated leaves; in the case of others, like Princess Victoria, it in the blooms. Maya has been around for 10 years or so. No problem.

Steve

So its ok to grow these variegated plumeria , Thats good to know. Thanks

Clare_CA
08-27-2010, 11:16 AM
Hey all, I wish I could spend more time on this thread, but there is too much to do. I have spent the last ten years studying and growing plumerias and have a grove myself in my back yard. At one time, I had over 450 plumerias, but I have given away or sold a lot of my collection and have only about 150 now.

Just some quick notes:

Variegation in plumerias is not caused by a virus, but variegated plumerias can have the Frangipani Mosaic Virus (FMV) just like many other plumerias can. The signs and symptoms of the virus are the color streaking in the flowers that is being shown above in Sherry's picture.

Many variegated plumerias are being produced by the process of bud grafting, which is a very efficient way to propagated plumerias and is being done extensively in Thailand. The chimeras are discovered by removing a bud from a cutting and grafting it to a root stock.

Variegated plumerias are generally slower to grow and thus slower to root. If you have leaves, then you have a rooted plumeria. Alex C, it looks like you do have at least a start of a root system. Cuttings take a least three months to form a one-gallon-sized root ball. Water when the soil looks dry unless you live somewhere humid like Florida, and then you can water less often. Generally, if you have leaves, then you have roots.

Sherry, seeds from plumerias do not come true to the parents. They have a large number of chromosomes, and so they can look like any flower. Most seedlings turn out to be white, and many can be quite inferior when they bloom and should be destroyed. I sowed 40 seeds and waited six years for many of them to bloom for the first time, and by that time the trees were quite large. Seedlings get to be massive trees because of their tap root. I leave the seed sowing and hybridizing now to the experts in Thailand because they have the growing room and only select the best of the best flowers to circulate commercially. I just don't have to room, time, or patience to sow seeds anymore.

For tips on rooting cuttings, see my article that I published in 2007: Creating A Plumeria Collection (http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/45/)

This is a link to some FAQ's about plumerias, but some of the links need to be updated, and you have to be a subscriber to read the whole threads: Plumerias: Frequently Asked Questions About Plumerias (http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/599185/)

Many experts and horticulturists who are very knowledgeable have agreed that the best fertilizer is the slow-release granular kind with all even numbers such as 10-10-10, etc. It is Potassium, not Phosphorus, that is the best element to encourage blooming. For the best blooming, make sure that your plumerias get full sun, lot of water with good drainage, and a regular feeding program. Also, repot frequently to a bigger pot if you are growing your plumeria in a container. I have found that the more mature plumerias bloom on a regular basis, and so sometimes plumerias will skip blooming in order to put on more growth when small. If you use the slow-release granules, then you can fertilize every three months or however long the fertilizer lasts.

Here is a link to my PhotoBucket album: Pictures by Clare_CA - Photobucket (http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/Clare_CA/) I have pictures in there from previous years. I haven't had time to upload a whole lot in the last couple of years however. When I first planted my plumeria grove, I uploaded pictures to 2009. I just added some recent pictures to 2010 for this thread.

This is a link to one of my dearest friend's web site: Services (http://www.kukiatsgardens.com/Plumerias.html) He is in Thailand and has acres and acres of beautiful plumerias, cassias, palms, and more. Please read the section on plumerias diseases for more information about the Frangipani Mosaic Virus.

This is unquestionably the best place to buy plumerias: WELCOME!! (http://www.floridacolors.com/) Their prices are very reasonable, and they don't sell plumerias with viruses. Click on their "Thai Plumeria" link for their varieagated plumerias. If you have the choice, buy grafted plumerias instead of cuttings. Tell Luc or Carol that Clare sent you.

Clare

Clare_CA
08-27-2010, 04:27 PM
This is just pea gravel that you see, 1 layer thin above the soil mixture for aesthetics and erosion protection.
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I finally had some time to read this thread and just wanted to let you know Jarred that you don't have to wait a few weeks for the end of the plumeria cutting to callous. A few days to a week is plenty of time. Also, be very careful with that pea gravel on top. Many of my fellow growers in Texas and Arizona have reported burns and desiccation right at the soil line from the rocks heating up and burning or drying the stem at the soil line. The pea gravel is also not good because it keeps the soil too moist and does not let oxygen pass freely to the root system. I personally don't like it because I can't tell when the soil looks dry, and I often water based on what I see the surface of the soil looks like. If you want the look of stone for aethetics, try Perlite instead.

Clare_CA
08-27-2010, 04:37 PM
I had a cutting from Thailand called Mai Thai. It was supposed to be a solid purple bloom. Unfortunately, this was early in my plumeria experience, and I killed it with overwatering. Anyone ever grown this variety?

You have to be very careful with sellers on eBay, especially coming from Thailand. I know of two reliable sellers that have partners in Thailand and that will ship from Florida. I'll give you their information if you would like. Florida Colors Nursery also sells some different purples: Jacks Purple (http://www.floridacolors.com/jacks%20purple.htm) Jack's Purple is a very nice purple.

That color is definitely enhanced on eBay. Don't waste your money with seeds either as they won't come true to the parent.

I have several purples. They used to be rare, but now the explosion of hybridizing from Thailand has made them very accessible.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/Clare_CA/Plumerias%202010/072710025.jpg

Clare_CA
08-27-2010, 04:46 PM
Here is some diffrent foods to feed your plumerias, I have not tried them but im going too. Nice thread too by the way,thanks
Here is the link
Fertilizing Plumeria (http://www.plumeria101.com/fertilizer.html)

Just a note to everyone -- although the Plumeria101 web site has been around a long time and has some helpful information, there is advice on this web site which is not good advice according to many experienced and knowledgeable plumeria growers. For example, the bloom booster fertilizers with the high middle number was once thought to increase blooms and was pushed by the commercial industry; however, phosphorus does not leach well from the soil and can actually build up and be very bad for plants over time. A competing line of thought is that the last number, potassium, is the best element for blooming. Overall, most experts will tell you that even numbers of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium are best such as 13-13-13, etc.

Additionally, the Plumeria101 site recommends the pea gravel on top, which I already explained the hazards of above to Jarred. Just FYI.

Clare_CA
08-27-2010, 04:51 PM
could it be this one ? there is even a 50% off on all plants here
Plumeria Maya (http://www.stokestropicals.com/Plumeria-Maya.htm)

Don't buy plumeria from Stokes. They are way over-priced. You can find it elsewhere for much less. Florida Colors Nursery has it for $45, but I've seen it even less than that. Here is another good seller: Brad's Buds and Blooms (http://bradsbudsandblooms.com/)

Clare_CA
08-27-2010, 05:14 PM
That particular plumeria, Maya, is imported from Thailand which is famous for imparting viruses in their plumeria and producing some of the wildest looking variegated blooms around. In the case of Maya, the leaves became variegated. These viruses are commonly thought to be transferrable from one plant to another if the are in close proximity but to my knowledge, they have not produced any fatalities. My own Princess Victoria is a virused plumeria with beautiful, but only occasional, variegated blooms.

Steve

The variegation of the leaves on Plumeria Maya is actually a chimera and not a virus.

It is true that the Frangipani Mosaic Virus can be spread by transfer of sap manually, usually on a cutting tool. The streets of Bangkok are lined with plumerias, many of which are showing the virus. The virus seems to show itself more when the trees are stressed. The neglected trees at KoKo Crater in Hawaii also are showing the virus. That being said, there are many Thai plumeria growers and sellers who are conscientious about keeping their gardens free of the virus and not selling virused plants.

Yes, Joey Rosselli was probably one of the first to intentionally infect his seedlings with the virus once he got ahold of a virused plumeria. His Princess Victoria is actually Metaire Pink with a virus. He also has a Princess name for a Jeannie Moragne with a virus. Some people are not a fan of Joey Rosselli's plumerias since he intentionally infected his seedlings with the virus.

While many plants have viruses that they can live with, many plants end up looking sick because of them. I've had brugmansias, passifloras, abutilons, and other plants with viruses, and they have ultimately ended up in the trash. I've also had a few plumerias with viruses, and they too get destroyed. Some people really like the look of the virused flowers and have paid top dollar for them; others don't like the way the virus changes the appearance of the flower and prefer to keep their collections clean.

Bob
08-28-2010, 10:18 AM
I'm currently tending 3 plants. The oldest which is over 10 years old now was grown from a cutting bought at the Denver stock show of all places! Up until last year it had been in a pot and overwintered dormant " waking it up " with water and light fertilization in February. This past winter I just didn't have any room in the house with all the bananas so took a chance and bare rooted it in the root cellar planting it directly in the ground in early May. It's had the best flowers ever. It's tucked behind a large E. Glaucum and a Yucca Rostrata so these were the best pics I could come up with without breaking out a ladder and possibly a neck:ha:
http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss149/bob_075/DSCN0556.jpg

It's been flowering profusely all season, if you look close there's buds all over it.

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss149/bob_075/DSCN0560.jpg

Like Clare had mentioned the seedlings are completely variable. Here's the two "3 kings " seedlings I kept that sprouted this year...my first ever from seed. Both of them have branches at a small size and this is a first since the other only seems to branch after flowering. Not sure it comes across well in the pic but one of them has a distinctly reddish stem while the other is more green. It'll be interesting to see how they develop and what color the flowers will turn out when they finally come. I'll try to keep these actively growing indoors through the winter for at least the first year.

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss149/bob_075/DSCN0563.jpg

cherokee_greg
08-30-2010, 09:07 AM
Just a note to everyone -- although the Plumeria101 web site has been around a long time and has some helpful information, there is advice on this web site which is not good advice according to many experienced and knowledgeable plumeria growers. For example, the bloom booster fertilizers with the high middle number was once thought to increase blooms and was pushed by the commercial industry; however, phosphorus does not leach well from the soil and can actually build up and be very bad for plants over time. A competing line of thought is that the last number, potassium, is the best element for blooming. Overall, most experts will tell you that even numbers of nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium are best such as 13-13-13, etc.

Additionally, the Plumeria101 site recommends the pea gravel on top, which I already explained the hazards of above to Jarred. Just FYI.

Thanks Clare im a newbie at plumeria and bananas so im still learning Im happy your getting on this thread because you sure have some nice plants. I did get a plant from brads bud and blooms he is shipping it out today in fact. Thanks again So will the banana fuel be fine for these plumerias ? Thats what I have been giving them.

Clare_CA
08-30-2010, 12:21 PM
Thanks Clare im a newbie at plumeria and bananas so im still learning Im happy your getting on this thread because you sure have some nice plants. I did get a plant from brads bud and blooms he is shipping it out today in fact. Thanks again So will the banana fuel be fine for these plumerias ? Thats what I have been giving them.

:waving:Hi Greg, no worries. Plumerias are easy to grow and care for. The only thing that really kills them is freezing temps and when they sit in cold wet conditions for too long. Good drainage is probably the most important thing when growing them.

Congrats on getting a plumeria from Brad. I know you will be happy with it. He gets a lot of his Thai plants from my friend Kukiat in Thailand so they are quality plants.

I don't know what the numbers are on the banana fuel, but anything you have on hand is fine. The only thing I would avoid is the bloombooster type fertilizer with the super high middle number. It's best to have a high last number if one of the numbers is going to be high. Since bananas love potassium, it probably has a high last number, and that's fine.

If you have any plumeria growing questions along the way, I'm happy to help.:03:

tucsonplumeriaz
08-31-2010, 11:16 AM
i have been fertilizing with 10-16-38. i am using that on my banana, too. i have very good root growth. i am hoping for lots of blooms next year since the plumies are the healthiest they have been in a while.

hi clare! i am finally here... :woohoonaner:

Clare_CA
08-31-2010, 04:39 PM
Hi Dete! It's nice to see you here. Welcome!

cherokee_greg
09-01-2010, 10:36 PM
I got this today from Brads Buds & Blooms its a anyamani thai plumeria
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36223&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36223&ppuser=5959)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36222&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36222&ppuser=5959)
This one is going to open soon
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36224&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36224&ppuser=5959)
There all lined up
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36225&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36225&ppuser=5959)

saltydad
09-02-2010, 07:35 PM
Looking good!!

cherokee_greg
09-05-2010, 11:33 PM
one flower opened today my first ever
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36362&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36362&ppuser=5959)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36361&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36361&ppuser=5959)
:woohoonaner::drum::drum::drum::02::0517:

The Hollyberry Lady
09-06-2010, 11:40 AM
Congrats on your Plummie flower, Greg! Your pics are gorgeous! :goteam:


: )

saltydad
09-06-2010, 03:36 PM
Yayy, Greg! Very nice. How's the fragrance?

Bob
09-07-2010, 02:45 PM
Congrats Greg, what a great feeling to spot that first bud and flower. I want to know about the fragrance too. Some are heavenly and others seem to have none at all.

ClevelandCATHY
09-12-2010, 01:26 PM
Everyone's flowers look so good. I've never had one to bloom so far, always hoping. A friend gave me some seeds this spring. I planted them, and they are about 5 to 8 inches tall now. Just wondering how to overwinter them. I let my bigger ones go dormant. Will these survive going dormant too? Or, should i try to keep them alive?

jack hagenaars
09-12-2010, 03:10 PM
Ok..I hate everyone who has had their plumeria bloom...jelous!!!!As fall has arrived on the west coast here...Should I put my plumeria into dormacy for the winter...or grow it under lights for the winter....It has never bloomed and have put it into dormacy the last 3 years....I havew been using a high middle number fertilizer but now understand thats not the best..any advice for flowering would be great...thanks Jack

Want Them All
09-12-2010, 05:37 PM
Jack,
I used grow lights last winter, and most of mine flowered, but when spring came around, none did. I think I probably screwed up their "biological clock" or something :ha:. This winter I'm planning on just letting them go dormant, and let nature take its course.

saltydad
09-12-2010, 05:56 PM
In the past I kept my large plumeria potted and in the living room next to a large bay window. It would bloom just as winter was ending. Last year I planted it in the ground for the season, then stored it bare root in the basement. It told me when it was spring by beginning to show the shiny cap on the ends of the branches. Obviously it didn't bloom then, or indeed all summer on the patio in a large pot. It now has one inflo starting and should bloom in a few days.

Clare_CA
09-13-2010, 12:32 PM
Everyone's flowers look so good. I've never had one to bloom so far, always hoping. A friend gave me some seeds this spring. I planted them, and they are about 5 to 8 inches tall now. Just wondering how to overwinter them. I let my bigger ones go dormant. Will these survive going dormant too? Or, should i try to keep them alive?

Ok..I hate everyone who has had their plumeria bloom...jelous!!!!As fall has arrived on the west coast here...Should I put my plumeria into dormacy for the winter...or grow it under lights for the winter....It has never bloomed and have put it into dormacy the last 3 years....I havew been using a high middle number fertilizer but now understand thats not the best..any advice for flowering would be great...thanks Jack

Cathy, seedlings should be kept growing in the winter with heat and lights at least for the first year or two. They should, however, survive dormancy but are more at risk for desiccation. In order to get flowers the soonest, seedlings should be grown in greenhouses in nontropical areas year 'round or at least in the winter until they bloom (about five or six years old in non tropical areas).

Jack, a plumeria will always do better with grow lights rather than dormancy. In most tropical areas, plumerias don't go dormant at all. Dormancy is actually a survival method for dryness rather than cold.

I have about 150 in the ground here, and they don't really start blooming well until the heat really gets going in July or August, but they bloom well through December. When I had many in pots that were small enough, I would put the blooming ones and the ones with inflo's in the greenhouse in the fall in order to have blooms through the winter.

It's actually not uncommon to get inflo's coming in toward what should be the end of the season. For those who don't have a greenhouse, a bright south facing window can work well too, but lack of light can make the blooms lighter in color and smaller.

This was my greenhouse in March, 2007:

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/Clare_CA/Plumerias%202007/030307007.jpg

Clare_CA
09-13-2010, 12:33 PM
one flower opened today my first ever

:woohoonaner::drum::drum::drum::02::0517:

Congrats, Greg! That's a pretty one!

jack hagenaars
09-13-2010, 12:59 PM
I have a greenhouse that I grow phal orchids in,but I find the plumeria always gets spider mites there,despite the 7o per cent humidity.....the other option is under the lights in the plant room in a 70 f basement...which do you think would be better? Thanks for year responses...and do I keep fertilizing in the plant room?

palmtree
09-13-2010, 07:29 PM
I have a greenhouse that I grow phal orchids in,but I find the plumeria always gets spider mites there,despite the 7o per cent humidity.....the other option is under the lights in the plant room in a 70 f basement...which do you think would be better? Thanks for year responses...and do I keep fertilizing in the plant room?

Plumeria are really vulnerable to spider mites. I think that pretty much everyone gets them on their plumerias indoors. The only thing you can do is continue to treat the problem with things such as neem oil, or you can let it go dormant. I have NEVER had a problem with spider mites when my plumerias go outside for the summer, but I have yet to have one plumeria that hasnt faced the problem indoors! I would not give it nitrogen or any fertilizer indoors. It shouldnt be growing much when indoors. And maybe if you can take it out on a few mild rainy days in the winter, it will help keep the plant a little cleaner.
Good luck!


Clare, Wow, great blooms!

barnercora
09-15-2010, 05:53 AM
Wow! congrats to all that grow plumeria and have blooms. What do you all feed them? I have some seedling growing and cuttings, all they do is grow but no bloom. They get plenty of sun and i feed them often as i fertilize my other plants(brugmansia, desert rose) with miracle grow, 13-13-13, bone meal, blood meal or whatever i have. I don't have a greenhouse and only have few so i kept them in 3 gallons pots for winter storage.

The seedlings are about 4 years old and the cuttings are 2 years old.

I very much appreciate everyone's suggestion/advice.

Thanks,
Cora

Clare_CA
09-15-2010, 11:05 AM
I have a greenhouse that I grow phal orchids in,but I find the plumeria always gets spider mites there,despite the 7o per cent humidity.....the other option is under the lights in the plant room in a 70 f basement...which do you think would be better? Thanks for year responses...and do I keep fertilizing in the plant room?

Wow! congrats to all that grow plumeria and have blooms. What do you all feed them? I have some seedling growing and cuttings, all they do is grow but no bloom. They get plenty of sun and i feed them often as i fertilize my other plants(brugmansia, desert rose) with miracle grow, 13-13-13, bone meal, blood meal or whatever i have. I don't have a greenhouse and only have few so i kept them in 3 gallons pots for winter storage.

The seedlings are about 4 years old and the cuttings are 2 years old.

I very much appreciate everyone's suggestion/advice.

Thanks,
Cora

Jack, your plumerias should do better when kept growing in a warm greenhouse as opposed to a warm basement with growing lights. Using a fan 24/7 will help to keep the aphids and spider mites down, but Palmtree is right that they are inevitable indoors. The good thing is that they really don't affect the health of the trees much if at all. A good rinsing of the leaves on a regular basis in the greenhouse with the house will help as well. You could try a regime of Avid, Forbid, and Isotox, rotating their use. I agree with Palmtree that fertilizing is best from spring until fall. Even if you keep the trees growing with grow lights or in a greenhouse, their growth will be slower than during the regular growing season.

Cora, your fertilizer of 13-13-13 is fine. Six continuous hours or more of full sun during the growing season, plenty of water, good drainage, frequent repotting (if not planted in the ground), and a regular fertilizing routine should make your cuttings bloom soon. Sometimes a plumeria will skip a year of blooming to put on growth. Your seedlings, however, are a different matter. Seedlings can take many years to bloom -- usually five or more years in nontropical areas. If your four-year-old seedlings are in three-gallon containers, then they are probably stunted. Four-year-old seedlings should be in 15-gallon containers by now if they are healthy seedlings. Many people store them bareroot for the winter, sometimes lying down in the garage, if they don't have a greenhouse.

jack hagenaars
09-18-2010, 12:43 PM
thanks all..the greenhouse it is...will let you know iwhen it blooms.....:ha:

barnercora
09-19-2010, 08:09 AM
Claire, thanks for the advice. If they all come back next year i will plant them in the ground. Hopefully they will take off from being root bound and reward me of blooms.

Cora

Sanatic1234
09-23-2010, 05:15 PM
Here is my plumeria i can't wait till this blooms
]Banana Gallery - canna indica (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=36899&ppuser=7699)http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=36900[/url]

palmtree
09-25-2010, 11:47 PM
I wanted to share my newest plumeria bloom (and largest so far with a diameter of about 4 inches!)
<a href="http://s705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/?action=view&current=DSCN1951.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww59/tropicalzone7/DSCN1951.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

snc
09-28-2010, 09:44 AM
Cora,

I put mine in the laundry room, which gets no sunlight but is bright, for the winter. I maybe water them 1x/month...just basically ignore them. In about may when I bring them outside, I start hitting them with miracle grow bloom buster 1x week and have had great success with blooming. The one cutting I had just bloomed this yr for the first time in the 3 yrs I have had it. This works for me and have had one that has been blooming since December of 2009. Patience seems to be the key to plumerias. Good luck with yours







Wow! congrats to all that grow plumeria and have blooms. What do you all feed them? I have some seedling growing and cuttings, all they do is grow but no bloom. They get plenty of sun and i feed them often as i fertilize my other plants(brugmansia, desert rose) with miracle grow, 13-13-13, bone meal, blood meal or whatever i have. I don't have a greenhouse and only have few so i kept them in 3 gallons pots for winter storage.

The seedlings are about 4 years old and the cuttings are 2 years old.

I very much appreciate everyone's suggestion/advice.

Thanks,
Cora

barnercora
09-28-2010, 11:40 AM
SNC.....you said you keep yours in the laundry room in winter. Do you keep them in their pots, you must have a huge laundry room. I have about 13 plummies in their 3 gal. pots and i know they won't fit the laundry room even if i remove all the leaves.

Oh! i wish to see bloom in mine soon. Thanks for the advice.

Cora

snc
09-28-2010, 11:48 AM
Yes they stay in the pots, a couple are on the floor and a few go into the mud sink and others on the shelves. A couple may go in the bathroom around the tub this year too if I can arrange the bananas and other plants so wife can still get in the tub. I don't have thirteen plumerias though...that would be tough.

The once a week watering withteh bloom buster really seems to help them push that flower stem out though.

saltydad
10-02-2010, 06:01 PM
You just have to get used to the idea that your basement is for plants, not mundane things like laundry, furnaces, etc. :ha: Mu cuttings have remained in pots, and they're around 3 feet tall now. I'll probably take the bigger ones out and store them bare root on the floor in the basement. They'll be next to my bags of corms of cannas, elephant ears, bare root bananas, caladiums, philodendrons, etc. The living room, dining room, family room and unused bedrooms are always chock full of potted plants- everything from my patio plus those bananas that I dig up and pot like DC and zebrina, my bougainvilleas, desert roses, clerodendrons, nonhardy cactus and succulents, seemannias (formerly known as gloxinias), palms (butia, chaemerops humilis, and pygmy date palms), brugs, tropical hibiscus (7 varieties currently), orchids (8 varieties currently), tropical pond plants that need to be in water, and others I've forgotten in my delirium.

A greenhouse would be wonderful, but we don't really have the space or the money. We barely have the space for the two of us, and this is a 4 bedroom split level colonial. :bananas_b

Want Them All
10-05-2010, 02:25 PM
Can I leave the plumies in pots, inside the house, for them to go dormant? Of course all the leaves will fall off, the indoor temp is usually around 70. Or is it better to leave them in the garage, temp may be around 55-60. I don't plan on taking them out of their pots. Last winter I put them all under grow lights, and they bloomed like crazy. Too much work, so I'm not gonna do that again.

Thanks,

Bob
10-05-2010, 04:05 PM
I've left the plumeria in a big pot for years and just let it go dormant not watering it in it's pot. The leaves all fall off but in late February or so I always woke it up with some water and it started slowly growing. This past winter it was so large and the house was full of bananas so I took it out of the pot( it's 6 ft tall) and just left it in the basement , planting it out in May and it had the best year for blooms ever. They're al ot tougher than most people think and can handle just about anything once established.

penJ.
11-23-2010, 08:45 AM
Hey guys... i need an advice what to do with my plumeria. She is going to be four years soon (from seed), the problem is that she gained almost 1m of stem and no sign of branching... i was thinking maybe i should cut it in 3-4 parts and root them or something, but idono when is the best time to do that and is it a smart thing to do. Any advice is welcome. Cheears :nanadrink:

palmtree
11-23-2010, 09:46 PM
Hey guys... i need an advice what to do with my plumeria. She is going to be four years soon (from seed), the problem is that she gained almost 1m of stem and no sign of branching... i was thinking maybe i should cut it in 3-4 parts and root them or something, but idono when is the best time to do that and is it a smart thing to do. Any advice is welcome. Cheears :nanadrink:

So is it only 1 meter tall right now? My tallest was about a meter tall when it first flowered. Do you take it outside during the summer, and what are your summers like? For best flowering they should be warm, humid, and sunny. I wouldnt cut it back unless it is absolutely necessary since it will delay potential flowering for at least a year. If you have to cut it, I would wait until it goes outside in the spring.

penJ.
11-24-2010, 05:47 AM
Yep, the stem is 1m tall. I put it outside in the spring, position on full sun where it's hot n humid. Summers here are very hot, often over 40deg.C by day and around 25d.C by night. This season leaves grew very big like A4 size paper.
It's not necessary to cut it, i was thinking of doing that bcoz it's not branching. So, i will leave it as it is now, only thing i will do is to repot it so it will develop roots for the season to come... and maybe i will get flower. ^^,

Clare_CA
12-15-2010, 05:03 PM
Hey guys... i need an advice what to do with my plumeria. She is going to be four years soon (from seed), the problem is that she gained almost 1m of stem and no sign of branching... i was thinking maybe i should cut it in 3-4 parts and root them or something, but idono when is the best time to do that and is it a smart thing to do. Any advice is welcome. Cheears :nanadrink:

Hi PenJ, I experimented with 40 plumeria seedlings about 8 years ago. I had five or so bloom for the first time at three years old, but about half of them bloomed at around five years old. The ones that hadn't bloomed by seven years old were used as root stock.

Seedlings do get quite large before they bloom because they have that nice tap root compared to plumeria trees that were started from rooted cuttings. They also routinely take five years to bloom from seed if you live anywhere other than tropical regions.

Their first attempt at blooming does create branching, but often puts out a "nub" rather than an infloresence. Seedlings can actually do this many times before blooming for the first time. When the seedling does finally bloom, it can look like anything, and it could even be what is considered an inferior bloom that should be destroyed. I finally gave up working with seedlings because they take up too much room and require too much water, fertilizer, and transplanting. They also require lots and lots of patience, and sometimes the bloom turns out to be ugly or not ideal to say the least.

There are hybridizers sowing thousands of plumeria seedlings on acres and acres of land in Thailand, and they choose the best of the best and destroy the rest. This is where the best cultivars come from, and Thailand has the land and the rain and the warm weather to bring plumeria seedlings to flower rather quickly.

I would recommend that anyone waiting for a plumeria seedling to bloom to buy a grafted plumeria with an inflo from Florida Colors Nursery (http://www.floridacolors.com). Luc and Carol have made many trips to Thailand and brought back some beauties to the United States. I've gotten many of my plumerias from them, and then you can be sure to enjoy blooms now while you are waiting a very long time for that seedling to bloom.

Since you and Sanatic1234 and others have seedlings that you are trying to bring to flower, the best thing that you can do is make sure your seedling has full sun outside between to the two frost dates, give the seedling plenty of water and fertilizer on a regular basis, and repot frequently to a bigger pot at least once per season. A 25-gallon pot is appropriate for a seedling that is four years old. If the seedling is kept in a pot that is smaller than this, it will likely be stunted in its growth and not flower as readily. If you keep the seedling growing with grow lights and heat inside a greenhouse for the winter, it is also more likely to flower sooner. Of course, if you live in an area that doesn't freeze, a seedling will do best when planted in the ground.

snc
12-17-2010, 08:57 AM
NIce looking plumerias. For rooting I just cut them, let callous over for about a week, dip in rooting hormone and insert in soil about 1 1/2 -2 ". Water, let dry out and repeat. have had 100% success this way.
I also use miracle grow bloom buster to promote flowering. One of mine bloomed and had flowers for 11 months on same flower stalk. Would be interested in trading a cutting or two this spring if you are interested. Would love to have a white one.



Anybody got any tips on rooting plumerias?? When I got this variegated plumeria it was a rooted plant, but a poorly rooted one and it rotted on the bottom. So I cut the stem above the rot and placed it in some soil. Its growing some small leaves, but I dont think its rooted yet. Its been maybe 2 months now and I do occasionally water it (its been extremely hot and there has been very little rain until recently).

Clare_CA
12-17-2010, 01:20 PM
Here's an article that I wrote a few years ago, which talks about the rooting process and about fertilizer: Creating A Plumeria Collection (http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/45/)

It actually takes three months for a root ball to form. If you have the start of leaves coming in, then you more than likely have the start of roots coming in. I would water when the soil looks dry and keep on a warm surface.

Also, in the winter, growth slows down dramatically and even comes to a stop (dormancy) if not given warm conditions and supplemental light. You can give your one that is rooting a bright window with extra light in the form of a desk lamp inside your house to help the rooting process continue. I wouldn't recommend anyone try rooting cuttings in the winter, however, unless you have a heating mat and a greenhouse. It is tough to root cuttings this time of year otherwise.

saltydad
01-21-2013, 11:32 PM
As mentioned in prior posts, I leave my plumeria in the basement over the winter. Some are in pots still; the ones that were planted in the ground are bare root. I never have had any growth over the winter as they go dormant. In the very early spring they start to show red on the growing tip and wake up. This winter, however, the potted plumies are still growing- putting out new leaves and even showing inflorescences! No water, light from one high window only. Weird.

Abnshrek
04-15-2013, 09:05 AM
I have my plumeria out and 2 of 3 have blooms developing.. Today I will get some of Richards Plumeria Fert, so we'll see how well that works versus just using MiracleGrow Bloom Buster.. :^)

2woodensticks
04-15-2013, 06:09 PM
i only lost two grafted tips over winter..even my seedlings from last year came out ok..it did not get realy cold here,i still like to let them rest..both of my pods are now open,three years to see if my cross came out..aztec gold x key west cranberry..on aztec this year 18 out of 22 tips showing flower buds{this one in inground and about 10 yeas old}most of my other are in pots..am trying a few of my seedlings in really small pots,trying a bonsai project..you never know right..just wait for the smell of the plumies to fill the air..aztec gold smells like angles should smell..ok now i am rambling

Abnshrek
05-29-2013, 11:00 AM
I think I have a flower developing on one of mine.. will take pic when it gets bigger.. :^)

Abnshrek
05-30-2013, 11:07 AM
Flower head that's just developing..
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53130&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53130)
One that's getting close to bloom.. :^)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53131&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53131)

Abnshrek
06-04-2013, 10:40 AM
Making headway compared to the pic in older post.. Fixing to open shortly.. :^)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53178&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53178)

Abnshrek
06-13-2013, 09:03 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53267&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53267)
Triple growth points all the way around.. Flower head is developing.. The one from pic below is fixing to open.. :^)

sunfish
06-13-2013, 05:07 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53267&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53267)
Triple growth points all the way around.. Flower head is developing.. The one from pic below is fixing to open.. :^)

Wow

Abnshrek
06-16-2013, 09:05 PM
Wow

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53335&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53335)
Wow indeed.. :^)

Abnshrek
06-27-2013, 03:33 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=53502&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=53502)

sunfish
06-27-2013, 05:07 PM
:pics::woohoonaner:i only lost two grafted tips over winter..even my seedlings from last year came out ok..it did not get realy cold here,i still like to let them rest..both of my pods are now open,three years to see if my cross came out..aztec gold x key west cranberry..on aztec this year 18 out of 22 tips showing flower buds{this one in inground and about 10 yeas old}most of my other are in pots..am trying a few of my seedlings in really small pots,trying a bonsai project..you never know right..just wait for the smell of the plumies to fill the air..aztec gold smells like angles should smell..ok now i am rambling