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sunfish
06-15-2010, 09:59 AM
Gabe can you identify the Banana plant called Misi Luki at the ENCANTO FARMS site ?
ENCANTO FARMS (http://webebananas.com/bvar-G-I.html)
momoese
06-15-2010, 10:13 AM
If Jon sent me the correct pup from what he calls his Misi Luki then Gabe says it's more than likely Namwah.
Gabe15
06-15-2010, 12:18 PM
Ya looking at the plant on Jon's site, its 'Namwah', and if it's not the common 'Namwah' in the US, its certainly a Pisang Awak subgroup member, so basically some type of 'Namwah'. Not even close to 'Mysore'/'Misi Luki'.
sunfish
06-15-2010, 12:24 PM
Ya looking at the plant on Jon's site, its 'Namwah', and if it's not the common 'Namwah' in the US, its certainly a Pisang Awak subgroup member, so basically some type of 'Namwah'. Not even close to 'Mysore'/'Misi Luki'.
Thank you.
momoese
06-15-2010, 12:27 PM
It tastes good..........this time! :)
Gabe15
06-15-2010, 01:07 PM
This is what 'Mysore'/'Misi Luki' actually looks like.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32836&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32836&ppuser=5)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32839&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32839&ppuser=5)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32838&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32838&ppuser=5)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=32840&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=32840&ppuser=5)
cherokee_greg
06-15-2010, 01:14 PM
How bout the other one ? 'Misi Luki' of Samoa ? I have one.
Gabe15
06-15-2010, 01:27 PM
'Misi Luki', if not the exact same, looks the same as 'Mysore'. It is unclear if they are the same clone or not (compared to what is available in the US), but in any case, they are both Mysore subgroup bananas and look and taste similar or nearly identical. Often times the difference between varieties in different locations in a subgroup can be very small, things such as height, fruit size, bunch size etc...but general fruit taste and most major morphological descriptors are the same. If your 'Misi Luki' does not resemble the plants above, then it is not 'Misi Luki'.
Richard
06-15-2010, 01:50 PM
Gabe,
The literature I have read states that there are two plants documented as Misi Luki:
"Misi Luki Of India" -- a synonym for Mysore; plus
"Misi Luki Of Samoa" -- an ABB cultivar.
Do you have any experience with the latter?
Gabe15
06-15-2010, 02:12 PM
The 'Misi Luki' of Samoa that I know is a Mysore. What is your reference for the ABB?
sunfish
06-15-2010, 02:33 PM
The Misi Luki that they sell in the U.S. is not the same plant as Mysore Misi Luki. So get both and your covered.
Bananaman88
06-15-2010, 02:58 PM
So get both and your covered.
Spoken like a true addict! I know, I'm one as well! :nanadrink:
Dean W.
06-15-2010, 05:31 PM
Now I'm confused. I have a Mysore, glad I didn't get Misi Luki.
Abnshrek
06-15-2010, 05:46 PM
Now I'm confused. I have a Mysore, glad I didn't get Misi Luki.
Glad I have a Pisang Ceylon :^) & not confused..
momoese
06-15-2010, 06:21 PM
So, if Jon's is the US version of Misi Luki which is most likely a Namwah of some sort, and the real Misi Luki is a Mysore like my Pisang Klotek, I can say I personally prefer the Mysore Misi Luki over the US one having grown and tasted both. My wife also thinks the Pisang Klotek/Mysore is far superior to any of the bananas I've grown or any that she has ever tasted.
I also think the Mysore plant and fruits are better looking.
So Tony, now I'm curious to get your take on the differences between the Pisang Klotek and the other Mysore you have. How long til you think you'll get fruit on both?
sunfish
06-15-2010, 06:58 PM
So, if Jon's is the US version of Misi Luki which is most likely a Namwah of some sort, and the real Misi Luki is a Mysore like my Pisang Klotek, I can say I personally prefer the Mysore Misi Luki over the US one having grown and tasted both. My wife also thinks the Pisang Klotek/Mysore is far superior to any of the bananas I've grown or any that she has ever tasted.
I also think the Mysore plant and fruits are better looking.
So Tony, now I'm curious to get your take on the differences between the Pisang Klotek and the other Mysore you have. How long til you think you'll get fruit on both?
Now I'm confused I thought Pisang Klotek was mysore.
The Misi Luki mysore should flower this year. No room to plant the U.S. Luki, still in container, so that will be awhile.
momoese
06-15-2010, 09:16 PM
Now I'm confused I thought Pisang Klotek was mysore.
The Misi Luki mysore should flower this year. No room to plant the U.S. Luki, still in container, so that will be awhile.
It is a Mysore but according to Gabe there are many. So you don't have any other non US Mysores?
sunfish
06-15-2010, 09:34 PM
It is a Mysore but according to Gabe there are many. So you don't have any other non US Mysores?
I do have Mysore and pisang ceylon . I'll send you some fruit
when I get some.
momoese
06-15-2010, 09:48 PM
I do have Mysore and pisang ceylon . I'll send you some fruit
when I get some.
Awesome! Have you had FHIA 18? I have a flag right now from a Jon pup.
sunfish
06-15-2010, 10:10 PM
Awesome! Have you had FHIA 18? I have a flag right now from a Jon pup.
No I haven't.I think I have the plant somewhere.
momoese
06-15-2010, 10:15 PM
I think I have the plant somewhere.
:ha:
Well when it's ready I'll send you some.
Bananaman88
06-15-2010, 10:22 PM
Why the heck does positive banana identification have to be so darned complex and confusing???
sunfish
06-15-2010, 10:48 PM
Why the heck does positive banana identification have to be so darned complex and confusing???
Can we get positive ID'S from male flowers
Richard
06-16-2010, 12:16 AM
Gabe,
The literature I have read states that there are two plants documented as Misi Luki:
"Misi Luki Of India" -- a synonym for Mysore; plus
"Misi Luki Of Samoa" -- an ABB cultivar.
Do you have any experience with the latter?
The 'Misi Luki' of Samoa that I know is a Mysore. What is your reference for the ABB?
I'll take that as a "no".
Gabe15
06-16-2010, 03:14 AM
Why the heck does positive banana identification have to be so darned complex and confusing???
Great question Brent! Very simple, but for the fun of learning I'll make it a complex answer (or it may seem simple to people...read on and find out!). Also I'm working on a "composition"....if you will....that will make use of these long thought out answers from my head, so its actually productive for me to write these down.
If you don't want to dive into the swamp world of bananas, skip to the bottom!
The key here is get a grasp of the immense diversity of bananas and how it is organized, and then to accept that you will not know about all of them. For every variety common to hobby growers, there are countless other closely related varieties that form what banana scientists refer to as the "subgroup". Sometimes, ID'ing past the subgroup is difficult or impossible, because often the same exact clones are present in different areas with different names, or were originally the same, but new mutations have been selected off of it. DNA analysis can help, but depending on many things, it does not inherently see the whole picture, and there are certainly things that it cannot pick up on right now. In short, there exists cases of the same plant with different names, and different plants with the same name. There is no way to officially designate a single name to a specific clone, because this would 1.) require way more time and resources than anyone has and 2.) be nearly impossible for people in one region to change the names of their local cultivars because some scientist said they should.
The solution is that bananas are grouped together into more or less structured subgroups which theoretically contain only cultivars which are all mutations from a single original cultivar (though in practice this is not fully realized yet). If you can ID a banana to the subgroup, that is excellent. You can know a lot about the genetics and general characteristics of the plant you have. For banana breeders (and some botanic gardens) who maintain large collections covering a huge amount of diversity, the original name of the plant as it was acquired is kept and used, along with the subgroup and some other institutional code to indicate that exact accession. You may grow out two plants which are supposed to be the same and they turn out slightly or very different, or you may grow out two plants that are supposed to be different and they look the same, but one may have some unique trait lacking in the other. Instead of making up new names right away, the only practical way to keep them ordered is to just know all you can about your plants. Then, if you see enough other plants that look the same as yours, or enough plants with the same name that are clearly different, then its probably safe to be able to switch the names with little consequence.
For example (this is a real case): I have a plant which was acquired as an AB 'Ney Poovan' but flow cytometry says is an AAB. Safet Velchi (aka Ney Poovan) is a very well known subgroup, and it is known that this subgroup is AB. I have another plant, 'Kunnan', which is supposed to be in the Ney Poovan subgroup, and it is indeed an AB and matches up well with other accounts of Ney Poovan varieties. My 'Kunnan' and my 'Ney Poovan' looking nothing alike, but I trust Ney Poovan cultivars should be like my 'Kunnan'. My 'Ney Poovan' I notice, actually looks exactly like every Pisang Awak (aka Namwah) banana I have seen, but with some unique traits that I have not observed in other Pisang Awak. However, the flow cytometry says its an AAB, whereas Namwah are well documented ABB. There's a bit of a problem here you see, I have a plant which I now am certain is not a Ney Poovan, looks like a Pisang Awak, but DNA says is something else. I threw out the possibility that it is an AB or Safet Velchi subgroup member, I have 3 points against that (flow cytometry, a 2 references of known cultivars), and I've seen enough verified Pisang Awak to feel comfortable in placing it within that group even though the flow cytometry says otherwise (which could be due to a number of things), but I'm still stuck with the 'Ney Poovan' name. I traced this plant back to where it came from, and found out that there was some mixup or mistake when it was collected, and they don't even know what it is. This plant though, unlike other Pisang Awak I've had, has a uniquely textured fruit which is very rubbery, so I am also sure that it is not the same clone as other known Pisang Awak varieties I have worked with. What did I do after all of this work? I renamed it thanks to the help of members here! I'm now calling it 'Gumby Awak' for my personal use. If I gave it for use in future project, I would let them know all of the info I know about it, including the original name, but let them know it is wrong and misleading.
As you can see, these cases can get quite sticky and complex, and thats even with plants that I had some decent reliable background information on. Imagine going through this with plants you know very little, or nothing about. Its going to be difficult and most likely not completely resolved.
This is inherent to working with biological systems and the endless and imperfect strive to order them in a manner convenient to us. It is possible to make some systematic order to it (in the case of bananas, this is the subgroup system), but we must always remember that plants are dynamic and taxonomy strives to be static, and when these two systems meet, there will always be complexity, confusion and loose ends. There is no definitive database of all known banana varieties with every detail about them and how to ID them, some are trying to create that, and it can be a very useful resource, but it will always fall short of what's actually out there because there is simply so much diversity.
For the banana grower, we need to make sure we keep notes on our plants, where they came from and anything else known about it when it is acquired, and pay close attention to how they grow and develop, and most importantly, to compare them to other varieties so we can see the differences and similarities for ourselves. If its a plant worth keeping and you know why, then thats great, and if its not worth keeping and you know why, then thats great too, and thats really all that matters much in the end.
Can we get positive ID'S from male flowers
Male flowers can help, but only to certain a extent, and they are not necessarily more distinguishing than any other part of the plant. For phenotypic IDing, the whole plant needs to be considered, including its growth habit.
I'll take that as a "no".
Everyone who I have talked to from Samoa made it clear that the 'Misi Luki' there is a Mysore. There may be another variety there that is also called 'Misi Luki' or a 'Misi Luki'-like name, but thats why I was curious about what your source is so I can better track down what plant they are referring to.
Bananaman88
06-16-2010, 12:33 PM
Thanks for the insight, Gabe. Just the other day I was thinking exactly what you said, that there are some we will just never have a positive ID on. All of the mutations, sports, and selections that have taken place over the years, coupled with the fact that one plant can have more than one name depending on what region it's in, not to mention simply labing mix-ups at nurseries all conspire to make this a very confusing field.
I will keep you all posted on the development of my so-called 'Misi Luki', even though I think we can all agree that isn't what it is at all. Hopefully it will flower later this year or next and we can all take a look at the photos.
sunfish
06-16-2010, 08:15 PM
I found this, Musa sapientum - Misi Luki
Bananaman88
06-17-2010, 02:14 PM
Here is a good link that helps further explain the complexities of banana nomenclature:
Trouble in paradise (http://www.promusa.org/infomus-mainmenu-83/features-mainmenu-160/216-trouble-in-paradise)
DaveE
07-14-2010, 09:51 PM
I was going to start a new thread to see if someone can identify the 'Misi Luki' that I bought from Stokes Tropicals last year, but it is pictured above in this thread so I hope it's okay that I ask here. I just separated pups and planted them out front at the outside corner of my property. I am hoping that they will grow tall. I probably should have planted Brazilians out there. Just to clarify, Stokes sent these to me as 'Misi Luki,' but I have my doubts now after seeing Gabe's with the red on the back of the leaves.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/Clare_CA/bananas/071410003.jpg
Clare,
From what I understand there are two plants called Misi Luki. One is the original Misi Luki that is in the Mysore group and displays similar characteristics. The other plant commonly sold as Misi Luki by many US dealers is very similar to Namwah or is a form of Namwah. I have nine of the Namwah type that came from Agri-starts. I bet that yours is the Namwah type if it indeed is Misi Luki.
Dave
harveyc
07-15-2010, 12:06 AM
Clare, it sounds to me that Dave has 9 of the same type and he believes they're probably the same type as you've got. Don't want your head to go flying off! ;)
Richard
10-18-2010, 04:04 PM
Here's my young Misi Luki plant from Agristarts on an overcast day here in San Diego. The lowest leaf on the right emerges from the pseudo stem at 5 feet, and the upper crotch of the tree where the next leaf is emerging is at 10 feet.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_2010-10_300x400.jpg
Nicolas Naranja
10-19-2010, 12:29 AM
Hmm...now I've got a mystery on my hands. I bought a tray of Misi Luki and a Tray of Dwarf Namwah on the same day from agristarts, and now I am wondering if I am the one that is mixed up. Are agristarts Misi Lukis supposed to be about 12' tall? Even so that doesn't explain some of the other agristarts mix-ups. I own a bunch of burro bananas that were supposed to be nam wahs...
I am definitely the one that is mixed up looking at webebananas, I have had my plants mislabeled for 18 months.
Richard
05-28-2011, 12:18 PM
This morning my Misi Luki is displaying a flag leaf. :) The p-stem height (base of flag leaf) is 10-ft 8-in, or 3.25 meters. This Misi Luki cultivar is from a tray of Misi Luki TC's I purchased from Agri-Starts.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_flag_2011-05_300x400.jpg
sunfish
05-28-2011, 12:33 PM
This morning my Misi Luki is displaying a flag leaf. :) The p-stem height (base of flag leaf) is 10-ft 8-in, or 3.25 meters. This Misi Luki cultivar is from a tray of Misi Luki TC's I purchased from Agri-Starts.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_flag_2011-05_300x400.jpg
:woohoonaner:
venturabananas
05-29-2011, 10:19 AM
Congrats Richard. Perhaps you can plan your Thanksgiving or Christmas menus around you misi luki fruits!
Richard
05-29-2011, 09:50 PM
Congrats Richard. Perhaps you can plan your Thanksgiving or Christmas menus around you misi luki fruits!
I was hoping for Halloween ... :)
momoese
05-29-2011, 09:57 PM
This morning my Misi Luki is displaying a flag leaf. :) The p-stem height (base of flag leaf) is 10-ft 8-in, or 3.25 meters. This Misi Luki cultivar is from a tray of Misi Luki TC's I purchased from Agri-Starts.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_flag_2011-05_300x400.jpg
Congrats on your Namwah flag leaf! ;)
venturabananas
05-29-2011, 11:18 PM
It may be a Pisang Awak cultivar, but the non-Mysore "Misi Luki" doesn't taste like Namwah to me.
momoese
05-29-2011, 11:24 PM
It may be a Pisang Awak cultivar, but the non-Mysore "Misi Luki" doesn't taste like Namwah to me.
So what does it taste like?
venturabananas
05-30-2011, 12:17 AM
Well Mitchel, you've had them, so you know better than I do -- I've only had a few that Jon shared with me. I remember them having a more complex, fruity flavor than the tall and dwarf namwahs I've had. Jon's description is "very creamy banana with a light apple-cider overtone and finish". Which I have to admit, is not very different from how I'd describe namwah. I think you'd have to grow tall Namwah next to the Pisang Awak "Misi Luki" to figure out if there is really any difference between the two. Jon grows "Misi Luki" and dwarf Namwah. He could chime in on whether the flavors are different at all.
harveyc
05-30-2011, 09:38 AM
Jon's neighbor also grows Tall Namwah and Jon has commented that it's a good banana. He should be able to comment on differences/similarities.
momoese
05-30-2011, 10:34 AM
Well Mitchel, you've had them, so you know better than I do -- I've only had a few that Jon shared with me. I remember them having a more complex, fruity flavor than the tall and dwarf namwahs I've had. Jon's description is "very creamy banana with a light apple-cider overtone and finish". Which I have to admit, is not very different from how I'd describe namwah. I think you'd have to grow tall Namwah next to the Pisang Awak "Misi Luki" to figure out if there is really any difference between the two. Jon grows "Misi Luki" and dwarf Namwah. He could chime in on whether the flavors are different at all.
:ha: I just wanted to hear you say it!
There are some similarities in taste, but that holds true for every banana I've grown with the exception of Jamaican Red. That said the "Misi Luki" I got from Jon is no match for Pisang Klotek aka Mysore taste wise.
venturabananas
05-30-2011, 10:46 AM
Mitchel, you got me. :ha: But at this point, just based on plant appearance and fruit taste, I'm still sticking to my story: namwah and misi luki are both Pisang Awak cultivars, but aren't exactly the same. Give me 5 more years and I might have enough experience to back up my opinion!
You know I agree with you on the flavor -- even the "substandard" Pisang Klotek fruit you generously gave me had incredible flavor, better than Misi Luki to my tastebuds.
PS -- The PK you gave me sent up a real pup this week, not a canna posing as a pup!
Richard
06-12-2011, 09:25 AM
This morning my Misi Luki is displaying a flag leaf. :) The p-stem height (base of flag leaf) is 10-ft 8-in, or 3.25 meters. This Misi Luki cultivar is from a tray of Misi Luki TC's I purchased from Agri-Starts.
Here's a second, shorter flag leaf. Perhaps I'll have a bud out by mid-July.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_flag2_2011_06_400x400.jpg
sunfish
06-12-2011, 07:28 PM
Here's a second, shorter flag leaf. Perhaps I'll have a bud out by mid-July.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_flag2_2011_06_400x400.jpg
:woohoonaner:
Nicolas Naranja
06-12-2011, 11:15 PM
I have 72 of Agristart's "misi luki". I cannot tell the difference between dwarf Namwah and Misi Luki's taste. The main differences I have noticed is that there are generally fewer hands per bunch and fewer fingers per hand. It sort of looks like a shorter version of some plants that I have seen that are labeled as Ice Cream.
Richard
06-13-2011, 01:22 AM
I have 72 of Agristart's "misi luki". I cannot tell the difference between dwarf Namwah and Misi Luki's taste. The main differences I have noticed is that there are generally fewer hands per bunch and fewer fingers per hand. It sort of looks like a shorter version of some plants that I have seen that are labeled as Ice Cream.
The p-stem of my Misi Luki is 4 feet taller than any Ice Cream I've ever seen produce fruit in this region.
Nicolas Naranja
06-14-2011, 01:00 PM
The p-stem of my Misi Luki is 4 feet taller than any Ice Cream I've ever seen produce fruit in this region.
The place where I have seen the two together the Misi Luki is probably about 12'-14' tall while the plants labeled as Ice Cream are more in the 16'-20' range. I'l repeat that I have no idea whether or not it is truly an ice cream banana, I'll try to get some pics of them today.
Richard
07-02-2011, 05:21 PM
The bud is so radical I had to secure the stalk with a come-along.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_come-along_400x300.jpg
Richard
07-20-2011, 06:46 PM
Statistics and Pictures for the "AgriStarts Misi Luki" I grew in San Diego, CA.
Fruiting height of pstem: 10.5 feet (3.2 meters)
Number of months from tissue culture plug planted in ground to flower bud: 14.
Number of fingers per hand: 8.
Number of female hands: 10, plus partial hand with 2 female and 6 male.
Number of pups: 3 to 5 per month.
Picture of male flowers:
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_male_flowers_300x400.jpg
Picture of inflorescence:
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_fruited_300x400.jpg
Gabe15
07-21-2011, 11:39 PM
This 'Misi Luki' still appears to be a type of Pisang Awak (Namwah). I have recently seen some full grown field plants from Agri-Starts of it and so can definitely confirm. There seems to be have been some kind of mix-up in the names some time ago (as is always common with plants) as the original 'Misi Luki' of Samoa is a Mysore, not a Pisang Awak.
Nicolas Naranja
07-22-2011, 08:09 AM
Statistics and Pictures for the "AgriStarts Misi Luki" I grew in San Diego, CA.
Fruiting height of pstem: 10.5 feet (3.2 meters)
Number of months from tissue culture plug planted in ground to flower bud: 14.
Number of fingers per hand: 8.
Number of female hands: 10, plus partial hand with 2 female and 6 male.
Number of pups: 3 to 5 per month.
Except for the height, seems to be about the same as mine. A 2' height difference is probably attributable to the difference in growing conditions in San Diego and Canal Point.
Bananaman88
07-22-2011, 12:05 PM
This 'Misi Luki' still appears to be a type of Pisang Awak (Namwah). I have recently seen some full grown field plants from Agri-Starts of it and so can definitely confirm. There seems to be have been some kind of mix-up in the names some time ago (as is always common with plants) as the original 'Misi Luki' of Samoa is a Mysore, not a Pisang Awak.
So I wonder if the plant I got from Magilla Gorilla a couple of years back labeled as 'Misi Luki' is really 'Mysore' instead. That wouldn't be so bad.
oakshadows
07-22-2011, 12:34 PM
Do you use a GPS to get around all of your plants? It sure sounds like you might need one. Wish I was so ambitious. Thanks for all of your posts and pics.
Gabe15
07-22-2011, 12:37 PM
So I wonder if the plant I got from Magilla Gorilla a couple of years back labeled as 'Misi Luki' is really 'Mysore' instead. That wouldn't be so bad.
If you think you might have a 'Mysore', they are very easy to ID. They have a red tint to the undersides of the leaves, especially noticeable on newly emerging leaves, and the pseudostems typically have lots of black pigmentation. The Pisang Awak "Misi Luki" will not have the red undersides of the leaves or the extensive black coloration.
Richard
07-22-2011, 12:53 PM
To date, all of the other Musa cultivars I've grown have 12 fingers per hand. This particular plant has 8 fingers per hand. Is this expected from some cultivars, or ... :confused:
Bananaman88
07-22-2011, 04:16 PM
If you think you might have a 'Mysore', they are very easy to ID. They have a red tint to the undersides of the leaves, especially noticeable on newly emerging leaves, and the pseudostems typically have lots of black pigmentation. The Pisang Awak "Misi Luki" will not have the red undersides of the leaves or the extensive black coloration.
Yeah, we've discussed that before (I think in this very thread) about the red tinting on the undersides of the leaves. Mine has never shown that at all, so I' ve been prett sure for about a year now that it isn't 'Misi Luki'. I'm just trying to narrow down the possibilities of what it may be. It flowered last year but it was so late that no fruit developed, so we'll see what happens this year.
floridagrower
07-22-2011, 05:58 PM
Gabe,
I have a mature "Misi Luki" from agri-starts. It fits Richard's description. I have noticed a subtle light red on the back of the emerging leaf, but it fades within a day of opening fully. Is this color possible with a 'Namwah' type?
Gabe15
07-22-2011, 06:03 PM
Gabe,
I have a mature "Misi Luki" from agri-starts. It fits Richard's description. I have noticed a subtle light red on the back of the emerging leaf, but it fades within a day of opening fully. Is this color possible with a 'Namwah' type?
I have seen that color on some Namwah types in certain situations as you describe, so yes it is possible. With Mysore, it is not fading, it is persistent and covers the entire leaf lower surface.
Gabe15
07-22-2011, 06:11 PM
Yeah, we've discussed that before (I think in this very thread) about the red tinting on the undersides of the leaves. Mine has never shown that at all, so I' ve been prett sure for about a year now that it isn't 'Misi Luki'. I'm just trying to narrow down the possibilities of what it may be. It flowered last year but it was so late that no fruit developed, so we'll see what happens this year.
Do you have any photos of the female bud or young fruits? It is still possible to ID if it is a distinct enough variety.
venturabananas
07-22-2011, 06:15 PM
I'm not sure if anyone in the continental US has a "true" Misi Luki -- i.e., a Mysore type from Samoa. The Agristarts ones, the ones from Pitangadiego (Jon), and the ones from Papaya Tree Nursery are all the Pisang Awak "Misi Luki" from Samoa. Maybe Going Bananas does have the Mysore type Samoan Misi Luki, but I don't know.
David Silber of Papaya Tree Nursery told me that he imported "Misi Luki" many years ago from a guy in New Zealand who got it from Samoa. Presumably, the misidentification was made in Samoa or New Zealand. I would guess that the "Misi Luki" in the trade in the US are all descendants of those original plants brought into California.
Nicolas Naranja
07-22-2011, 06:41 PM
To date, all of the other Musa cultivars I've grown have 12 fingers per hand. This particular plant has 8 fingers per hand. Is this expected from some cultivars, or ... :confused:
The link below is average number of fruits in the third hand of 82 varieties.
Accessions with Descriptor and Evaluation (http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/dno_eval_acc.pl?215017+494306+82)
Gabe15
07-22-2011, 06:45 PM
Maybe Going Bananas does have the Mysore type Samoan Misi Luki, but I don't know.
The 'Misi Luki' at Going Bananas is the Pisang Awak.
If your story is true, it is not incomprehensible that it was mis-ID'd from the start. They are both (Mysore and Pisang Awak) very common bananas all throughout the Pacific (and beyond), and often people are mixing up names, especially on bananas which are superficially similar. People often just consider the fruit, and if they are not experts, then it is reasonable to see how someone could give the wrong name since both cultivars are sweet and small fruited.
It is my experience that unless someone really cares about crop varieties and knows their stuff, then they will mix up names and generalize characteristics very frequently, basically lumping all kinds of varieties under the same name. In the US (especially Hawaii), this is the case of the names "Apple" and "Ladyfinger". To many people, "Apple" refers to both 'Dwarf Brazilian' and 'Brazilian', and also to 'Namwah' more recently. "Ladyfinger" refers to any dessert banana that is smaller than a Cavendish and obviously not "Apple", which encompasses a handful of common varieties.
floridagrower
07-22-2011, 06:58 PM
Gabe,
Here is my mother plant in 2009. What do you think?
Agri-starts "Misi Luki" = Tall Namwah?
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=44527><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=44528 border=0></a>
Bananaman88
07-22-2011, 08:23 PM
No, Gabe, unfortunately, I don't. I only realized it was about to push a bud as I was doing some winter clean up. The bud never fully emerged. We have been so dry here again this year (over 15" below normal) that my bananas aren't going to reach their full potential this year. If it does happen to bloom, I'll be sure to get some photos. So far, I'll I've had bloom are two potted bananas: M. laterita, which is just now in bud, and M. siamensis.
Gabe15
07-22-2011, 09:42 PM
Gabe,
Here is my mother plant in 2009. What do you think?
Agri-starts "Misi Luki" = Tall Namwah?
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=44527><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=44528 border=0></a>
That is definitely a Pisang Awak (Namwah), but maybe not the typical US form. Those persistent male flowers are significant, normally they do not have so many. There also a few other subtle differences, but it's hard to say if its due to the environment or more stable. I think I have seen this form at Fairchild which they have mislabeled as 'Giant Plantain'. I would upload photos but my internet is currently too slow.
floridagrower
07-22-2011, 09:56 PM
Awesome. I'm finally glad to put this one to bed. Also notable, the leaves are generally more upright.
Bananaman88
07-22-2011, 10:27 PM
I may try to post a picture of mine tomorrow, though it won't have fruit or a bud to aid in ID'ing.
Richard
07-22-2011, 10:53 PM
Gabe,
Here is my mother plant in 2009. ...
Agri-starts "Misi Luki" = Tall Namwah?
Those hands look a lot like mine. Were they 8-fingered?
Also, I'm not at all bummed that I've got a Pisang Awak. Yum!! It's going to be fun watching these ripen.
momoese
07-22-2011, 11:28 PM
Those hands look a lot like mine. Were they 8-fingered?
Also, I'm not at all bummed that I've got a Pisang Awak. Yum!! It's going to be fun watching these ripen.
They are tasty when fully ripe!
floridagrower
07-23-2011, 08:32 AM
It was about 8. It flowered at about 10' of stem. Pups heavily and is quite vigorous.
momoese
07-23-2011, 09:05 AM
To date, all of the other Musa cultivars I've grown have 12 fingers per hand. This particular plant has 8 fingers per hand. Is this expected from some cultivars, or ... :confused:
14 per hand on mine
http://www.bananas.org/f211/misi-luki-contest-10077.html#post104296
Richard
07-23-2011, 12:38 PM
It was about 8. It flowered at about 10' of stem. Pups heavily and is quite vigorous.
Yeah, we have the same plant. Zero height to 10'+ and fruit in 15 months with medium size hands and fingers, vigorous in every respect.
If the fruit is not significantly different tasting than Dwarf Pisang Awak (Agristarts Dwarf Namwah) then I will pull the corm. Basically the latter plant is shorter and produces more fruit. As a replacement, I will probably try "Agristarts Pisang Ceylon".
Gabe15
07-23-2011, 01:21 PM
Here is the Pisang Awak from Fairchild which may be the same form as the Agri-Starts "Misi Luki".
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=44531&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=44531&ppuser=5)
Bananaman88
07-23-2011, 02:19 PM
Here are some photos of my "Misi Luki" from last summer. Sorry you have to endure the photo of me in one of them. ;)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=44534&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=44534&ppuser=824)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=44533&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=44533&ppuser=824)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=44532&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=44532&ppuser=824)
Gabe15
07-23-2011, 02:25 PM
Brent, that is definitely not a Mysore, and looks totally reasonable for a Pisang Awak. I know you know that by now, but just for confirmation.
Bananaman88
07-23-2011, 02:36 PM
Thanks, Gabe. Hoping for fruit this year, though it's getting pretty late in the summer to be able to get fully-mature fruit. I'll post here if it does flower so we can all take a look.
Richard
07-23-2011, 11:21 PM
Here is the Pisang Awak from Fairchild which may be the same form as the Agri-Starts "Misi Luki".
Looks identical to mine.
Nicolas Naranja
10-07-2011, 09:26 AM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=46159&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=46159)
Richard
10-07-2011, 11:48 AM
Given Gabe's input and the actual fruit I've obtained from these plants its clear that the AgriStarts Misi Luki is a taller, slightly larger fruited version of what AgriStarts has named Dwarf Namwa. So in an effort to identify both the source of the plant and the actual cultivar, I'm considering selling these with the name "Misi Namwa".
sunfish
10-07-2011, 12:11 PM
Given Gabe's input and the actual fruit I've obtained from these plants its clear that the AgriStarts Misi Luki is a taller, slightly larger fruited version of what AgriStarts has named Dwarf Namwa. So in an effort to identify both the source of the plant and the actual cultivar, I'm considering selling these with the name "Misi Namwa".:ha:
venturabananas
10-07-2011, 11:16 PM
I don't speak Samoan (Somoa is where Misi Luki comes from), but I have seen three very different varieties listed as being called Misi Luki in Samoa (in a publication by Jeff Daniels): a Mysore cultivar, a Pome cultivar, and Yangambi KM5. My guess is that "Misi Luki" is used in Samoa much the same way that "Ladyfinger" is used in the US, which is to say, very broadly and without referring to any specific cultivar. So I think the claim that the "real" Misi Luki is a Mysore is not actually true -- Misi Luki in Samoa could be one of several cultivars.
I like "Misi Awak" for the "Misi Luki" that is sold in the US, though "Misi Namwah" ain't bad.
Clare_CA
10-17-2011, 01:01 PM
Here is my 'Misi Luki,' which is flowering for the first time. I purchased my first start from Stokes Tropicals. Is this one Pisang Awak too? I don't have the red on the back of the leaves either, but there is a slight pink tone to rib on the back of a new leaf. This banana is only about six feet tall at the top of the p-stem. Thanks in advance.
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/Clare_CA/bananas/101711073.jpg
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l153/Clare_CA/bananas/101711076.jpg
venturabananas
10-17-2011, 01:47 PM
Clare, it sure doesn't look like Pisang Awak or Mysore to me. It looks more like dwarf Orinoco, but I'm not sure about that. Both Pisang Awak and Mysore would have more closely spaced hands and P. Awak would have more white powdery wax on the fruits. Who knows what they sold you?!
Clare_CA
10-17-2011, 06:44 PM
Thanks, Mark. Maybe Gabe will see this and tell us:-) I appreciate your help.
caliboy1994
11-04-2011, 03:35 PM
I saw a plant lableled Mysore at my local high-end nursery, and the undersides of the leaves were red just like the one in the photo.
Richard
11-19-2011, 08:29 PM
Today I brought the Pisang Awak (aka Agristarts Misi Luki) bunch inside to ripen over the winter. It has been 4 months since the 1st hand came out.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Pisang_Awak_bunch_450x600.jpg
Richard
12-02-2011, 08:36 PM
Here's the first ripening finger, weighing in at 218 grams (1/2 lb).
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Misi_Luki_Awak_finger_600x600.jpg
RAINFOREZT
12-02-2011, 09:31 PM
What's is the difference between the fruits of these D.Namwah and Tall Namwah( agri start's misi luki). Do they taste same? or what's taste better?
venturabananas
12-02-2011, 10:54 PM
Holy moly Richard! I didn't realize that Pisang Awak fruits got that big. That's the size of a plantain (I just weighed one I have). The dwarf Namwah and Misi Luki Awak fruits I've had have all been in the 75-100 g range.
Richard
12-02-2011, 11:32 PM
Holy moly Richard! I didn't realize that Pisang Awak fruits got that big. That's the size of a plantain (I just weighed one I have). The dwarf Namwah and Misi Luki Awak fruits I've had have all been in the 75-100 g range.
Its six inches long and two inches wide. I'm accustom to seeing (haven't grown any) plantains 10 to 16 inches long and two inches wide.
The African Rhinohorn I grew right next to it received the same nutrition and produced fruits 6 inches long and about 1.25 inches wide, weighing about 100 grams. But keep in mind that the A. Rhinohorn looks unhappy during my "winter" but the Misi Luki Awak only slowed down a bit.
What's is the difference between the fruits of these D.Namwah and Tall Namwah( agri start's misi luki). Do they taste same? or what's taste better?
I think there are 3 Pisang Awak cultivars out there: Agristarts "Dwarf Namwa" (about 6' pstem), AgriStarts "Misi Luki" (about 11' pstem), and "standard" Pisang Awak (about 15' pstem) -- all heights being relative to southern California environment.
My wife is the official taste tester around here. I'll let you know how she thinks the D. Namwa and M. Luki match up.
momoese
12-07-2011, 12:13 PM
My wife is the official taste tester around here. I'll let you know how she thinks the D. Namwa and M. Luki match up.
:drum:
Gabe15
12-07-2011, 03:02 PM
Here is my 'Misi Luki,' which is flowering for the first time. I purchased my first start from Stokes Tropicals. Is this one Pisang Awak too? I don't have the red on the back of the leaves either, but there is a slight pink tone to rib on the back of a new leaf. This banana is only about six feet tall at the top of the p-stem. Thanks in advance.
That is the US Mainland Pisang Awak "Misi Luki", not the Mysore one.
Richard
12-07-2011, 04:17 PM
:drum:
Sue says: The Misi Luki Awak fruit is a bit sweeter, creamier, and has more banana flavor.
momoese
12-07-2011, 04:30 PM
Sue says: The Misi Luki Awak fruit is a bit sweeter, creamier, and has more banana flavor.
When she says "banana flavor" she means Cavendish flavor right?
Richard
12-07-2011, 04:50 PM
When she says "banana flavor" she means Cavendish flavor right?
I don't think she's ever tasted fresh Cavendish! She means that it is missing sub-acid overtones, does not have a starchy taste, and yet has more banana flavor.
My opinion is that it has the same great taste as Dwarf Namwa Awak, but at a 1/2 pound per finger there is just a lot more banana!
venturabananas
12-07-2011, 05:28 PM
Sue says: The Misi Luki Awak fruit is a bit sweeter, creamier, and has more banana flavor.
This was in comparison to dwarf Namwah?
Especially with the Awak types, the flavor changes hugely with ripeness. When I eat them at the same stage as I would a Cavendish (yellow with maybe a hint of green), to my tastes they are pretty poor. When you let them get riper, no green and some black on the peel, they get really sweet and have a nice creamy texture. I think the average person who is used to eating Cavendish bought at the grocery store would not be impressed with the Pisang Awak types because they'd eat them before they got ripe enough.
momoese
12-07-2011, 05:33 PM
This was in comparison to dwarf Namwah?
Especially with the Awak types, the flavor changes hugely with ripeness. When I eat them at the same stage as I would a Cavendish (yellow with maybe a hint of green), to my tastes they are pretty poor. When you let them get riper, no green and some black on the peel, they get really sweet and have a nice creamy texture. I think the average person who is used to eating Cavendish bought at the grocery store would not be impressed with the Pisang Awak types because they'd eat them before they got ripe enough.
That's been my experience too. They really need to ripen!
Richard
12-07-2011, 09:07 PM
This was in comparison to dwarf Namwah?
Especially with the Awak types, the flavor changes hugely with ripeness. When I eat them at the same stage as I would a Cavendish (yellow with maybe a hint of green), to my tastes they are pretty poor. When you let them get riper, no green and some black on the peel, they get really sweet and have a nice creamy texture. I think the average person who is used to eating Cavendish bought at the grocery store would not be impressed with the Pisang Awak types because they'd eat them before they got ripe enough.
Well, Mitchel 2nd'ed the motion so I'll 3rd it!
Bananaman88
05-11-2012, 10:05 PM
I finally got my "Misi Luki" to flower early in the year! I know from all of our discussions on the topic here that it is incorrectly ID'd (hence the double quotes). I'm hoping that these photos will help to ID it positively now. Gabe, what do you think now?
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=48767&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=48767&ppuser=824)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=48766&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=48766&ppuser=824)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=48765&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=48765&ppuser=824)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=48764&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=48764&ppuser=824)
GreenFin
05-11-2012, 11:09 PM
Anyone know a good source for a tc Mysore/PK?
caliboy1994
05-11-2012, 11:50 PM
AgriStarts has Pisang Ceylon, which is pretty much the same thing as Mysore. I'm not sure if it's correctly labeled however, as we know the case with AgriStarts Ice Cream :ha:
momoese
05-12-2012, 12:43 AM
Anyone know a good source for a tc Mysore/PK?
Not TC, but with the amount of PK pups that I and the recipients of my PK pups have distributed it should be getting easier to find one. That was my master plan anyway. I do not believe it has been TC'd but ya never know!
I don't even know if it's any different from any other Mysore but it sure has some great fruit! It's looking like it will dominate my small garden space at some point unless something much more amazing comes along.
The DB has a permanent spot now too after this last bunch. :)
Gabe15
05-12-2012, 12:26 PM
I finally got my "Misi Luki" to flower early in the year! I know from all of our discussions on the topic here that it is incorrectly ID'd (hence the double quotes). I'm hoping that these photos will help to ID it positively now. Gabe, what do you think now?
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=48767&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=48767&ppuser=824)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=48766&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=48766&ppuser=824)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=48765&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=48765&ppuser=824)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=48764&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=48764&ppuser=824)
This plant is a type of Namwah, not Mysore.
Nicolas Naranja
05-12-2012, 08:35 PM
Not TC, but with the amount of PK pups that I and the recipients of my PK pups have distributed it should be getting easier to find one. That was my master plan anyway. I do not believe it has been TC'd but ya never know!
I now have both so at some point in time I'll be able to see what the difference is. The plants themselves don't look so different. I imagine the Klotek will fruit early this Fall.
momoese
05-12-2012, 08:37 PM
Thanks Nick that will be interesting!
venturabananas
05-14-2012, 01:14 AM
I have a Pisang Klotek (thanks Mitchel) and a Pisang Ceylon (thanks Tony) right next to each other. Neither is full size yet, but I don't think even an expert could distinguish them. They look identical to me so far. I'm hoping that some day that I'll have fruit from both to compare. But the chances of both flowering at the same time seems pretty remote. Maybe I'll get lucky.
digdeep
05-30-2012, 07:58 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49088&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49088)
Is this Misi Luki?
caliboy1994
05-30-2012, 08:13 PM
Does anyone have both Misi Luki Awak and Ice Cream Awak? Are they any different with respect to height, productivity, taste?
momoese
05-30-2012, 08:35 PM
Does anyone have both Misi Luki Awak and Ice Cream Awak? Are they any different with respect to height, productivity, taste?
Yes, I have Namwah.
Nicolas Naranja
05-30-2012, 09:58 PM
Does anyone have both Misi Luki Awak and Ice Cream Awak? Are they any different with respect to height, productivity, taste?
I don't have them, but my friend in Belle Glade does, and I have harvested them dozens of times. The Ice Cream Awak is taller than the Misi Luki Awak. The Ice Cream Awak is far more productive than the Misi Luki Awak, more fingers per hand and more hands per bunch. As far as taste I think they are similar.
venturabananas
05-31-2012, 12:37 AM
Does anyone have both Misi Luki Awak and Ice Cream Awak? Are they any different with respect to height, productivity, taste?
I am growing both, but neither have produced fruit yet. Probably this year. I've tasted them both, fruit from other folks, like Mitchel. They are the same thing, at least in terms of taste. Both are productive and similar in height, though without growing them side by side, it is hard to say if they are exactly the same.
I have both with no fruit.
Misi from Going Bananas and Ice Cream from Walnart.
They look totally different and the Ice Cream is entirely more vigorous.
Maybe it's time for another ice cream thread.
Guess I could do a "real Misi" thread too. :woohoonaner:
sunfish
05-31-2012, 09:17 AM
I have both with no fruit.
Misi from Going Bananas and Ice Cream from Walnart.
They look totally different and the Ice Cream is entirely more vigorous.
Maybe it's time for another ice cream thread.
Guess I could do a "real Misi" thread too. :woohoonaner:
Do you have a pic of the real misi luki ?
Do you have a pic of the real misi luki ?
Only if by "real" you mean Going Bananas version, which came from Agristarts.
I'm really not up on the debate.
I've seen the threads but never actually read them.
I'm workin on some pics
momoese
05-31-2012, 04:47 PM
Only if by "real" you mean Going Bananas version, which came from Agristarts.
I'm really not up on the debate.
I've seen the threads but never actually read them.
There is no debate. The real Misi Luki is a Mysore.
The "Misi Luki" that Going Bananas and Agri starts sells is Awak or Namwah.
Which one do you have?
venturabananas
06-01-2012, 12:48 AM
There is no debate. The real Misi Luki is a Mysore.
Not true actually, though Gabe has asserted this. In one of Jeff Daniels' publications on bananas (Illustrated Guide to the Identification of Banana Varieties in the South Pacific), there are 3 different cultivars called "Misi Luki" in Samoa. One is Mysore, one is a Pome (the "Improved Lady Finger" of Australia, like Brazilian/Dwarf Brazilian), and one is Yangambi KM5. Note that none are Pisang Awak, which is what is sold as "Misi Luki" in the mainland US. So, to say "Misi Luki" only refers to Mysore in Samoa is false; though perhaps historically it was true, if the Pome and Yangambi were recently introduced.
momoese
06-01-2012, 03:05 AM
Not true actually, though Gabe has asserted this. In one of Jeff Daniels' publications on bananas (Illustrated Guide to the Identification of Banana Varieties in the South Pacific), there are 3 different cultivars called "Misi Luki" in Samoa. One is Mysore, one is a Pome (the "Improved Lady Finger" of Australia, like Brazilian/Dwarf Brazilian), and one is Yangambi KM5. Note that none are Pisang Awak, which is what is sold as "Misi Luki" in the mainland US. So, to say "Misi Luki" only refers to Mysore in Samoa is false; though perhaps historically it was true, if the Pome and Yangambi were recently introduced.
If Jeff would like to come and explain that's fine, until then I'll go with what Gabe says. And for the sake of argument we both know that what I'm talking about here is Mysore vs Awak because that's what the retailers are selling as "Misi Luki"
venturabananas
06-01-2012, 08:08 AM
If Jeff would like to come and explain that's fine, until then I'll go with what Gabe says. And for the sake of argument we both know that what I'm talking about here is Mysore vs Awak because that's what the retailers are selling as "Misi Luki"
Agreed, we are talking about Awak vs. Mysore. My point is that name "Misi Luki" in Samoa (where the Pisang Awak clone sold in the US is said to have come from) is not only Mysore, as Gabe has asserted. It's like a Samoan visiting the US, catching a fish he is told is called a "bass", and him telling his friends in Samoa that "bass" in the US means Paralabrax clathratus (kelp bass). While that is true, the common name "bass" refers to dozens of species of fish in several families.
sunfish
06-01-2012, 08:21 AM
We need a pic of an Aussie Misi Luki
http://www.bananas.org/f2/aussie-musa-translations-15463.html#post192602
well neither the gallery nor regular attachment deal is working for me this morning
people ask for pics but it's not possible to upload? :woohoonaner:
momoese
06-05-2012, 08:37 AM
well neither the gallery nor regular attachment deal is working for me this morning
people ask for pics but it's not possible to upload? :woohoonaner:
You may have to use photobucket.com to share pics.
robguz24
06-11-2012, 02:15 PM
Just thought I would join in. I have both a Mysore and a "Misi Luki" bought here on the Big Island of Hawaii. It's odd, because I bought my "Misi Luki" from the same guy I bought my Dwarf Namwah from. Even helped him remove the Namwah pup he sold me, so this "Misi Luki" is also clearly different than the Dwarf Namwah that he grows and I now have. Any guesses at to what it is?
The Misi Luki has a bit of pink on the midrib and and very slight pinkish tinge to the underside of each new leaf, but nothing like the real Mysore.
For comparison are some shots of the actual Mysore I bought from another nearby grower.
Mysore on the Left, "Misi Luki" on the right.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49230&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49230)
Mysore on the Left, "Misi Luki" on the right.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49232&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49232)
Pseduostem
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49233&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49233)
Up close
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49234&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49234)
Underside of newest leaf
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49235&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49235)
New leaves come out with a bit of pink, which fades.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49229&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49229)
Compared to the mysore leaf, which is very red.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=49231&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=49231)
Nicolas Naranja
06-11-2012, 03:47 PM
The one on the right looks very much like misi luki that we all seem to have. Which is some kind of pisang awak. Different bunch phenotype than Nam Wah though, less fruit and more space between fruit.
venturabananas
06-11-2012, 04:38 PM
The one on the right looks very much like misi luki that we all seem to have. Which is some kind of pisang awak. Different bunch phenotype than Nam Wah though, less fruit and more space between fruit.
And to add to what Nick said, the Dwarf Namwah looks a lot different from the tall Namwah, so no surprise this "Misi Luki" doesn't look like your Dwarf Namwah.
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