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Patty in Wisc
05-18-2010, 03:40 PM
Harvey started a thread on Feijola but I can't find it.
Someone just told me that this guava needs another guava to cross pollinate. Is this true? I thought it was self fertile. Last year was first year it got a few blossoms and I swear they turned into fruits but then fell off when about 1/2 inch. I have a ton of blossoms that just fell off & it sure would be nice to get fruits.
sunfish
05-18-2010, 04:43 PM
Feijoa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mbfirey
05-18-2010, 07:07 PM
I read somewhere that it needs cool night to fruit well... that discouraged me from trying it here in the south.
I did however, eat a few last trip to Colombia. Even tried them in conjunction with miracle fruit tablets- since they're pretty tart.
Patty in Wisc
05-19-2010, 11:28 AM
Pineapple guava are not tart at all. You maybe had one that wasn't ripe yet. They are sorta like a kiwi... very sweet.
I did read on wikipedia that they need certain chill hours & some need help in pollinating so maybe it didn't get enough chill hours being in my 50's*-60's* sunroom.
mbfirey
05-19-2010, 12:49 PM
I mean acidic like kiwi or lulo. It paired well with the miracle fruit.
Richard
10-16-2010, 04:37 PM
Here's the beginning of this year's Pineapple Guava (Acca sellowiana (http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?319761)) harvest. The fruits are a mixture of cultivars 'Nazemetz' and 'Lickver's Pride'.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Pineapple_Guava_fruits_400x300.jpg
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Pineapple_Guava_fruit_halves_400x300.jpg
chong
10-16-2010, 05:37 PM
Here's the beginning of this year's Pineapple Guava (Acca sellowiana (http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?319761)) harvest. The fruits are a mixture of cultivars 'Nazemetz' and 'Lickver's Pride'.
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Pineapple_Guava_fruits_400x300.jpg
http://www.plantsthatproduce.com/image_gallery/Pineapple_Guava_fruit_halves_400x300.jpg
Very nice, Mr. Richard! ! Wish I could get a few fruits from my over 20 year old tree. But then, I'm never home to regularly apply fertilizer to it
chong
10-16-2010, 09:33 PM
Harvey started a thread on Feijola but I can't find it.
Someone just told me that this guava needs another guava to cross pollinate. Is this true? I thought it was self fertile. Last year was first year it got a few blossoms and I swear they turned into fruits but then fell off when about 1/2 inch. I have a ton of blossoms that just fell off & it sure would be nice to get fruits.
How long were the fruits on the tree before they dropped, Patty? If they were there for a while, but only grew to 1/2 inch, they might have ripened. They say that the best time to pick the fruits is after they drop. The few fruits that developed on my tree usually only lasts a week or two and then drop. So, they definitely didn't ripen. They don't even get to be 1/4 inch. Do you have yours in the ground? Mine is in a 50-gallon pot. It was in a 5-gallon pot for at least 15 years. Then I finally moved it to its current pot about 8 or 9 years ago.
Oh! And most of what I've read about this plant is that it's better if it has a pollinator. So that must be another reason why mine never sets fruit properly, besides the fact that I don't fertilize it regularly.
Patty in Wisc
10-16-2010, 10:18 PM
I had fruits from the parent tree & when they (mine) fell off, they were much smaller. I'll have to wait till next spring & pay more attention.
Richard
10-17-2010, 12:45 AM
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Oh! And most of what I've read about this plant is that it's better if it has a pollinator. So that must be another reason why mine never sets fruit properly, besides the fact that I don't fertilize it regularly.
Chong, it depends on the cultivar. Plants grown from fruit collected in the wild (subtropical Brazil) do not need a pollenizer. Coolidge, a selection of one of these does not need a pollenizer either and is an excellent pollenizer for those which are "shy". Nazemetz does not need a pollinator, but Lickver's Pride produces more fruit with another pollenizer.
It is true that pineapple guava can be a water-frugal plant, but this often results in smaller fruit. The fruit size is mostly a function of water and nutrition -- and guess what(!) ... it is a potassium-loving plant. If you want larger fruit, then feed it like a pit fruit tree. The Lickver's pride is famous for having on average, larger fruit than the other cultivars.
sunfish
10-17-2010, 12:51 AM
Chong, it depends on the cultivar. Plants grown from fruit collected in the wild (subtropical Brazil) do not need a pollinator. Coolidge, a selection of one of these does not need a pollinator either and is an excellent pollinator for those which are "shy". Nazemetz does not need a pollinator, but Lickver's Pride produces more fruit with another pollinator.
It is true that pineapple guava can be a water-frugal plant, but this often results in smaller fruit. The fruit size is mostly a function of water and nutrition -- and guess what(!) ... it is a potassium-loving plant. If you want larger fruit, then feed it like a pit fruit tree. The Lickver's pride is famous for having on average, larger fruit than the other cultivars.
Is that pollinator or pollenizer ?
chong
10-17-2010, 12:54 AM
Is that pollinator or pollenizer ?
Splitting hairs, are we? ? ? ? I believe that either one is correct, though pollinator is more commonly used.
chong
10-17-2010, 01:12 AM
Richard,
Thanks for the info. My surviving tree is a Nazemetz. There were two of them when I bought them from The Banana Tree years ago. Then in '94, I visited the Raintree Nursery in Morton, WA (an hour and a half drive from Seattle), and got a Coolidge from them. It was in a 10-gallon pot. The Nazemetz were in 5-gal pots. Surprisingly the Coolidge didn't last the Winter. The following Winter, the smaller of the Nazemetz died too. I think that the Nazemetz is more like the original native variety, which is why I think it is more hardy.
I ordered 2 Loquat trees from Banana Tree at the same time as the Feijoas and they both survived the Winters here as long as the Feijoas. The reason they died was that I forgot to water them one Summer and we had not had rain for a while. The Feijoas appear to be more drought tolerant than the Loquats. Next time that Loquats are in season, I'll buy some and plant the seeds. It'll be cheaper that way, than buying the plant again. They are sure pretty. And they stay green through the Winter!
Chong
sunfish
10-17-2010, 01:24 AM
Splitting hairs, are we? ? ? ? I believe that either one is correct, though pollinator is more commonly used.
No not splitting hair's,just messing with Richard. There is a difference isn't there ?
Richard
10-17-2010, 04:09 AM
No not splitting hair's,just messing with Richard. There is a difference isn't there ?
Yes --> and pollenizer is the correct term. A pollinator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollinator) is something that moves the pollen; e.g., bees. Thanks Tony!
Patty in Wisc
03-25-2011, 02:02 PM
Here we go again. First blossom just opened and there are a ton of blossom buds... much more than last yr. I know, some ppl told me I need another to cross pollinate but I swear when I was in the backyard in Virginia Beach eating them off the ground, there was only the one tree (or bush?). I will try to hand pollinate.
BTW, this is in a pot in my sunroom ...snow flurries today & 20's f.
sunfish
04-29-2011, 09:05 PM
Pineapple Guava :ha::ha::ha:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=42290&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=42290&ppuser=2868)
Patty in Wisc
04-30-2011, 01:56 PM
Looks like my pineapple guava --mine is over 3'X 3'. Again, loaded w/ blossoms, so I hand pollinated & got nothing. I have 3 others - same age or older, but no blossoms yet. They are pink tropical, Lemon & Ruby red supreme. Was hoping they'd blossom this yr....maybe later.
Dalmatiansoap
04-30-2011, 01:59 PM
Weird Tony,
never seen such green Guavanas?!
:woohoonaner:
MSmith
06-01-2011, 04:52 PM
I bought one from Lowes yesterday for 5 bucks, the species is feijoa sellowiana
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Richard
06-01-2011, 05:58 PM
I bought one from Lowes yesterday for 5 bucks, the species is feijoa sellowiana
The tag is incorrect - Pineapple Guava species is Acca sellowiana (http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?319761). What cultivar did you obtain?
MSmith
06-01-2011, 09:12 PM
The tag is incorrect - Pineapple Guava species is Acca sellowiana (http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?319761). What cultivar did you obtain?
hello Richard, the tag doesnt list a cultivar, it only says feijoa sellowiana. It came from Nakase Brothers Wholesale Lake Forest , CA
Lowes did have bigger ones in 5 gallon containers, maybe they list the cultivar on them, I'll check them next time. Heres a link to Lowes plant info on this species Lowes.com : Lowe’s Plant Guide (http://www.lowes.com/cd_Lowes+Plant+Guide_253427968_?url=plant.aspx?code=L7511)
I just emailed the Nakese bros Ill report back if I get a reply
Richard
06-01-2011, 11:56 PM
I'm sure you don't do your grocery shopping at 7-Eleven. Buying fruiting plants from a big box store is the same sort of thing. :)
MSmith
06-02-2011, 05:17 PM
Yea I remember someone saying that about the bananas being mislabled at the bigbox stores. I went back today to look for the cultivar but didnt find anything, and the email to the nursery didnt go through. Oh well, I'm learning
GoAngels
06-02-2011, 11:18 PM
hello Richard, the tag doesnt list a cultivar, it only says feijoa sellowiana. It came from Nakase Brothers Wholesale Lake Forest , CA
Lowes did have bigger ones in 5 gallon containers, maybe they list the cultivar on them, I'll check them next time. Heres a link to Lowes plant info on this species Lowes.com : Lowe’s Plant Guide (http://www.lowes.com/cd_Lowes+Plant+Guide_253427968_?url=plant.aspx?code=L7511)
I just emailed the Nakese bros Ill report back if I get a reply
I actually called Nakese Bros when I saw a pineapple guava at Home Depot with their label and no cultivar. They could not, or would not, tell me what the cultivar was.
cherokee_greg
06-03-2011, 10:24 AM
Is this tag ok or is it wrong too ?
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=43222&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=43222&ppuser=5959)
Richard
06-03-2011, 11:34 AM
Is this tag ok or is it wrong too ?
Assuming the tag is otherwise correct, it should read:
Acca sellowiana "Coolidge".
Acca = plant Genus name
sellowiana = plant Species name
Coolidge = cultivar name
The cultivar "Nazemetz" (and other spellings) has growing availability in the U.S. Look for it -- the fruit is larger and improved quality over Coolidge.
GoAngels
06-03-2011, 11:50 AM
Is this tag ok or is it wrong too ?
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=43222&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=43222&ppuser=5959)
That one is probably from La Verne nursery...
sunfish
06-03-2011, 02:28 PM
I have ome across the street
lkailburn
08-04-2011, 11:57 AM
Assuming the tag is otherwise correct, it should read:
Acca sellowiana "Coolidge".
Acca = plant Genus name
sellowiana = plant Species name
Coolidge = cultivar name
The cultivar "Nazemetz" (and other spellings) has growing availability in the U.S. Look for it -- the fruit is larger and improved quality over Coolidge.
is the Nazemetz cultivar self fertile? I have seedlings popping up just for fun, but am looking to pick up a named variety for actual fruit production. If you have a link to share about that cultivar please post.
Thanks!
-Luke
Patty in Wisc
08-05-2011, 01:11 PM
I just found I have several baby pineapple guava fruits about 1 inch long!! I noticed a few more blossoms recently & also noticed the ruby Supreme Red has blossoms for the first time in 6-7 years. The Ruby blossomed after the pineapple but somehow the pineapple got pollinated. Geeze, this only took 6 years :(
There were a few times the plants got droopy from intense heat this summer,.... so maybe that shocked it to blossom again.
lkailburn
08-26-2011, 10:15 AM
I just found I have several baby pineapple guava fruits about 1 inch long!! I noticed a few more blossoms recently & also noticed the ruby Supreme Red has blossoms for the first time in 6-7 years. The Ruby blossomed after the pineapple but somehow the pineapple got pollinated. Geeze, this only took 6 years :(
There were a few times the plants got droopy from intense heat this summer,.... so maybe that shocked it to blossom again.
Post up some photos if you have some! Would be neat to see
-Luke
venturabananas
09-02-2011, 11:50 PM
lkailburn, Nazemetz is supposed to be self fertile, though I believe that cross fertilization is supposed to increase fruit set in this and other varieties.
harveyc
12-09-2011, 01:43 PM
I'm curious why the genus name change never caught on with nurseries or the public. People that have been collecting and growing them for 30 or 50 years with vast experience with them still refer to them as feijoa.
I went to a tasting of feijoa yesterday, tasting about 10 named varieties and another 20 or 30 seedlings in trial. I don't have anything written up yet (need to share notes with others), but some were quite good though many were smaller than I like since crop load was heavy this year. Some pruning methods are going to be experimented with as thinning is not very practical since it's hard to see the fruit until it's pretty large. I noticed a variation on the pronunciation of the word "feijoa" and asked about that. It was originally named for a Brazilian botanist and I've recorded this short audio with the pronunciation: www.correiafarms.com/Feijoa.amr (plays in Quicktime)
I found some sources, including GRIN that lists Feijoa sellowiana and Acca sellowiana as synonyms. Feijoa sellowiana information from NPGS/GRIN (http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?16573)
venturabananas
12-09-2011, 07:56 PM
Harvey, I look forward to hearing the results of your taste testing.
Regarding synonyms of scientific names, there can only be one accepted scientific name. In this case it is Acca sellowiana. Feijoa is considered a synonym of the correct name. You couldn't use that name Feijoa sellowiana in a scientific paper, for example. You may already know this.
Synonym (taxonomy) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synonym_(taxonomy))
harveyc
12-09-2011, 09:31 PM
Mark, I had looked at Wikipedia for some reference to the naming of the genus as Acca but could find none. GRIN is often more scientific than Wikipedia and I find it strange that they list both. In one cultivar no longer in a collection they did note that they changed the genus name to Acca (believe it was 2007 even though I thought the change was supposedly much earlier), but they didn't show such a change for others. I did quite a bit of searching and there are still some papers that scientific in character that use Feijoa. Seems that not everyone is on board....
harveyc
12-09-2011, 10:25 PM
I don't give up easily, still trying to figure this out. I read at Botanical Nomenclature (http://herbarium.usu.edu/teaching/4420/botnom.htm) to get an idea where to look further and ended up searching the International Plant Names Index. I searched the family Myrtaceae and came up with the following listings which seems to indicate both genus names are in use.
IPNI Plant Name Details (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=590501-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_infragenus% 3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePu blicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DMyr taceae%26find_genus%3D%26find_sortByFamily%3Dtrue%26find_isGCIRe cord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3Dall%26fi nd_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecie s%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3 D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dn ormal&show_history=true)
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IPNI Plant Name Details (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=30234024-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_infragenus% 3D%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26f ind_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DMyrtaceae%26find_genus%3D%26fi nd_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3Dall%26find_publicationTi tle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_incl udeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_species %3D%26output_format%3Dnormal&show_history=true)
IPNI Plant Name Details (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=20011125-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_infragenus% 3D%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26f ind_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DMyrtaceae%26find_genus%3D%26fi nd_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3Dall%26find_publicationTi tle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_incl udeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_species %3D%26output_format%3Dnormal&show_history=true)
IPNI Plant Name Details (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=887005-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_infragenus% 3D%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26f ind_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DMyrtaceae%26find_genus%3D%26fi nd_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3Dall%26find_publicationTi tle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_incl udeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_species %3D%26output_format%3Dnormal&show_history=true)
IPNI Plant Name Details (http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=103528-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Ffind_infragenus% 3D%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26f ind_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DMyrtaceae%26find_genus%3D%26fi nd_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3Dall%26find_publicationTi tle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_incl udeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_species %3D%26output_format%3Dnormal&show_history=true)
venturabananas
12-10-2011, 02:23 AM
Most scientists, like most people, are reluctant to let go of the tried and true. This is the case for scientific names, too. And scientists don't always agree on whether a name should be changed (by the standard rules of scientific nomenclature). As an example of name changes, a large marine snail, the wavy turban snail, has had three scientific names in the time I've been a marine biologist (Astraea undosa, Lithopoma undosum, Megastraea undosa). If you were to look up the species in an older book, you'd see it referred to by one of the older names.
From what I can tell, Acca sellowiana, is the accepted scientific name, though maybe some people are reluctant to accept it or the name just hasn't been updated in the reference you are viewing.
Richard
12-10-2011, 02:37 AM
I have many customers who are immigrants from the Philippines. They have told me that the common name of Acca sellowiana is Feijoa in their country!
harveyc
12-10-2011, 09:46 AM
Most people I know who are enthusiasts of the fruit use feijoa as the common name as well, including CRFG president Margaret Frane, Glen Woodmansee (both of Santa Monica), George Emerich (Fallbrook), Mark Albert (Ukiah).
I asked some very knowledgeable friends about this last night and they both agree that Acca is the new accepted genus but that it does not appear to be completely accepted. That's pretty common with most things, though. One friend commented that the Carica genus was changed for everything except papaya but everybody still uses Carica for all of them.
I had stumbled across somewhere the source of the name Acca (but spelled something like Akka) but don't remember what that was at the moment. I'm of Portuguese descent so I like Feijoa/feijoa but I know what folks mean when they use either.
harveyc
12-10-2011, 12:08 PM
Oh, and Tom Del Hotal also referred to hem as "feijoa" in e-mail. Speaking of which, do you happen to have a Lickver's Pride plant you could sell/ship me, Richard? Tom might have one by now based on the last e-mail I got from him but I don't know if I'll be getting down that way soon.
venturabananas
12-10-2011, 04:17 PM
Aren't the only common names used in the US really just feijoa and pineapple guava? Nobody uses the new scientific genus name (Acca) as a common name, do they?
harveyc
12-10-2011, 04:24 PM
Yes, as far as I know, Mark, though I read of some others that small groups of folks might use (i.e., Brazilian guava).
Richard
12-10-2011, 05:50 PM
Aren't the only common names used in the US really just feijoa and pineapple guava? Nobody uses the new scientific genus name (Acca) as a common name, do they?
In my experience, I rarely hear Acca at all, and then only as "Acca sellowiana" from well-healed French-Canadians or British who over-winter in coastal San Diego.
harveyc
12-10-2011, 08:36 PM
Guavasteen is another common name I came across but had not heard of before. I searched and came across this funny (?) eBay ad. The title description has Guavasteen and Pineapple Guava with the subtitle of Acca sellowaina. The listing photo also shows the name of Feijoa sellowaina and the item description uses the common name of feijoa. The photos are interesting as they do show feijoa fruits but also a tropical guava! Further, they ship the plants bare root which can be challenging. LIVE GUAVASTEEN PLANT Seedling PINEAPPLE GUAVA Fruit Tree Acca sellowiana | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/140657101583)
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