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DaveE
04-22-2010, 10:40 PM
My wife (BJ) knew I had placed a few bids on the Ca Gold that Rick had up for auction. During the last 30 minutes of the auction she was following the bids on my computer and bidding for me as I cooked dinner. She ended up winning the auction, (Sorry Migael) and getting the Gold for my birthday gift.
The package arrived today as I was mowing the yard. When the Mail Carrier handed the package to me I thought it felt a little heavy for one small bare root banana. When I open the box I found it filled with plants! :woohoonaner:
The first plant I unpacked was a large Musa valery pup.;) Then I pulled out a big stocky Dwarf Jamaican Red pup with a bunch of roots .:) And a two foot Manzano pup. :D The CA Gold was next and it looked awesome. You can't even tell it was shipped, it looks like he dug it up and handed to me!
Rick also include a bunch of plants for me to use in my landscaping like Black Taro, Giant Elephant Ear, Ginger, Cannas and Heliconia. He even included a rooted Vanilla plant cutting which will be perfect for my Wife's greenhouse when I build it later this summer.
I spent the afternoon planting the CA Gold and potting the rest. We had a light rain most of the afternoon, so I didn't get a chance to take any photos. I will try and get a few tomorrow if the weather cooperates.
Rick did a great job packing the plants. He even shipped the very next day with out us asking him to. Every thing was labeled professionally and he even included a personalized thank you card. Awesome service and awesome plants!
Thanks BJ and Rick for a great afternoon. :bananas_b
DaveE
Richard
04-23-2010, 12:37 AM
Can anyone tell the difference between a California Gold and a Dwarf Orinoco?
DaveE
04-23-2010, 09:56 AM
Can anyone tell the difference between a California Gold and a Dwarf Orinoco?
I have read much of the info out there on the CA Gold / Texas Star history and controversy.
Since I have a bunch of Dwarf Orinoco I thought doing a side by side comparison would be a fun experiment. Dwarf Orinoco does very well here and I have a chance to get fruit where I live if we have a good winter. I plan on removing a same size pup from each, making sure they are as close as possible in corm size and root growth and planting them about 6-8 feet apart in the same circumstances. My Dwarf Orinoco are from TC so they are the same as most out there.
I understand that growing a few comparison pairs will not be of any scientific value, but like I said; it is for fun and my enjoyment.
DaveE
natej740
04-23-2010, 11:05 AM
Can anyone tell the difference between a California Gold and a Dwarf Orinoco?
About a hundred and thirty bucks....lol
AV1611Corbin777
04-23-2010, 11:23 AM
Hey congrats on the plant(s)
Nothing like opening up a banana box and finding some freebies!
Dalmatiansoap
04-23-2010, 11:43 AM
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Dont mind me, Im just jealous:ha::ha::ha:
Patty in Wisc
04-23-2010, 12:22 PM
What a nice surprise!! And....HAPPY BIRTHDAY :)
Dean W.
04-23-2010, 01:05 PM
Way To go Dave! Happy Birthday too!:birthdaynana:
DaveE
04-24-2010, 09:09 PM
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Dont mind me, Im just jealous:ha::ha::ha:
LOL, I know i will get some up soon.
What a nice surprise!! And....HAPPY BIRTHDAY :)
Thanks Patty!
Way To go Dave! Happy Birthday too!:birthdaynana:
Thanks Dean.
About a hundred and thirty bucks....lol
Can you share your personal experience with these two and how you came to the conclusion they are the same?
Dave
Abnshrek
04-24-2010, 10:25 PM
Well Happy Birthday Dave!!! If I had known you were getting it for your BD I coulda let you get for alot less. I see from the contents of the package you got all your moneys worth thanks to Rick. I think that's show's the true nature of many of our members. You get more than you bargain for. Congrats :^)
natej740
04-24-2010, 10:36 PM
Can you share your personal experience with these two and how you came to the conclusion they are the same?
Dave
I have no experience with either but i have read the discussions on the forums about them.
I just stated the most notable difference the huge price of the Cali Gold compared to a Dwarf Orinoco.
Awesome Plant man i wasnt trying to say "they are the same".
DaveE
04-24-2010, 10:38 PM
Well Happy Birthday Dave!!! If I had known you were getting it for your BD I coulda let you get for alot less. I see from the contents of the package you got all your moneys worth thanks to Rick. I think that's show's the true nature of many of our members. You get more than you bargain for. Congrats :^)
Thanks Migael.
Your right many super people on this site. Rick did hook me up with all the extras. Hopefully we will get a few pups to share this summer.
Dave
I have no experience with either but i have read the discussions on the forums about them.
I just stated the most notable difference the huge price of the Cali Gold compared to a Dwarf Orinoco.
Awesome Plant man i wasnt trying to say "they are the same".
No worries, I thought you had some inside info or came across some DNA test that I hadn't heard about. :bananas_b
Dave
Abnshrek
04-24-2010, 10:47 PM
Thanks Migael. Your right many super people on this site. Rick did hook me up with all the extras. Hopefully we will get a few pups to share this summer. Dave
No doubt about that.. I have them coming up all over the place :^)
Gabe15
04-25-2010, 12:39 AM
Can anyone tell the difference between a California Gold and a Dwarf Orinoco?
Morphologically, it is very easy to tell that 'California Gold' is a dwarf type of Bluggoe, as is the common 'Dwarf Orinoco'. Just by looking at them at any stage you are not likely to be able to tell them apart. However, the claim of 'California Gold' and what makes it different has nothing to do with morphology, it is it's growth habit, which you cannot tell from morphology. It is my belief that if the two are different at all, it is just in cold tolerance and/or speed of growth and that 'California Gold' is a hardier/faster sport off the common 'Dwarf Orinoco'.
chong
05-14-2011, 01:47 PM
Morphologically, it is very easy to tell that 'California Gold' is a dwarf type of Bluggoe, as is the common 'Dwarf Orinoco'. Just by looking at them at any stage you are not likely to be able to tell them apart. However, the claim of 'California Gold' and what makes it different has nothing to do with morphology, it is it's growth habit, which you cannot tell from morphology. It is my belief that if the two are different at all, it is just in cold tolerance and/or speed of growth and that 'California Gold' is a hardier/faster sport off the common 'Dwarf Orinoco'.
Thanks for the comment, Gabe. That to me is the best explanantion that I've read to date as to the distinction between the two.
Richard
05-15-2011, 09:15 AM
Morphologically, it is very easy to tell that 'California Gold' is a dwarf type of Bluggoe, as is the common 'Dwarf Orinoco'. Just by looking at them at any stage you are not likely to be able to tell them apart. However, the claim of 'California Gold' and what makes it different has nothing to do with morphology, it is it's growth habit, which you cannot tell from morphology. It is my belief that if the two are different at all, it is just in cold tolerance and/or speed of growth and that 'California Gold' is a hardier/faster sport off the common 'Dwarf Orinoco'.
I'd like to see some independent trials of several Dwarf Orinoco and CA Gold grown side-by-side year-round in USDA cold-hardiness zone 9a and 9b. Myself and others have done so in zone 10a and find zero difference in hardiness, growth rate, and fruit.
breakintheweb
05-15-2011, 09:52 AM
If in 9B and already taking weekly notes on four varieties i'm growing by each other. These varieties are red dwarf, ice cream, fhia-17 and manzano.
If you can provide some orinco and ca gold suckers i'll pay shipping and provide weekly notes and pictures.
I'd like to see some independent trials of several Dwarf Orinoco and CA Gold grown side-by-side year-round in USDA cold-hardiness zone 9a and 9b. Myself and others have done so in zone 10a and find zero difference in hardiness, growth rate, and fruit.
cherokee_greg
05-15-2011, 09:59 AM
I'd like to see some independent trials of several Dwarf Orinoco and CA Gold grown side-by-side year-round in USDA cold-hardiness zone 9a and 9b. Myself and others have done so in zone 10a and find zero difference in hardiness, growth rate, and fruit.
I have a California Gold and a dwarf orinoco side by side they were the same size when I planted them.
Richard
05-15-2011, 07:01 PM
If in 9B and already taking weekly notes on four varieties i'm growing by each other. These varieties are red dwarf, ice cream, fhia-17 and manzano.
If you can provide some orinco and ca gold suckers i'll pay shipping and provide weekly notes and pictures.
If someone who is familiar with agricultural field trials has the resources to carry out a study, then I'd be happy to provide plants and materials. One plant of each does not make a study.
DaveE
05-15-2011, 08:55 PM
I'd like to see some independent trials of several Dwarf Orinoco and CA Gold grown side-by-side year-round in USDA cold-hardiness zone 9a and 9b. Myself and others have done so in zone 10a and find zero difference in hardiness, growth rate, and fruit.
I did this last year and unfortunately we had another crazy weather event last winter with 56 straight hours of below freezing temps. I have 5 pups on my CG now so I will add a second and third pair to the experiment.
Dave
harveyc
05-17-2011, 12:20 PM
I've got the space but not the time or desire to conduct a formal trial. Although what I'm growing which Gabe informally identified last year as Dwarf Orinoco (was bought on eBay as Raja Puri five years ago) started out larger than my California Gold, my California Gold did bloom earlier last year. I've got two Dwarf Orinoco from the same mat as last year which are larger than either of my California Gold plants so I'm interested in which one fruits earlier. My earliest plant to push a leaf this year was what is supposed to be Texas Star, then California Gold, then Dwarf Orinoco, but that is also the size of the plants from smallest to largest so it might just be a matter of the extra distance from the corm in pushing up growth. Bananas are strictly a hobby for me so it's hard to get too worked up about claims of them being the same or not. I'd be happy if the weather would just warm up and they'd all flower!
sunfish
05-17-2011, 01:18 PM
Let's not forget the California Cold Hardy.
http://www.bananas.org/f15/musa-california-cold-hardy-8536.html#post82478
harveyc
05-17-2011, 02:06 PM
My CCH is planted too close to some redwood trees and is shaded too much to do well. One of those things I've been meaning to do something about.
sunfish
05-17-2011, 02:10 PM
I have a feeling were going to find all these plants to be some form of Orinoco.Texas Star,C.G.,Carolina King and CCH.
harveyc
05-17-2011, 02:17 PM
I don't think CCH is similar to the others other than being a musa.
Here is a photo of a CCH I took at Shawn's:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=11897 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11353&ppuser=775)
harveyc
05-17-2011, 02:18 PM
What the heck is Carolina King?
sunfish
05-17-2011, 02:21 PM
http://www.bananas.org/f15/carolina-king-banana-9343.html
sunfish
05-17-2011, 02:27 PM
Musa Carolina King - Bananas Wiki (http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Carolina_King)
harveyc
05-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Wow, forgot all about that old discussion. I see Greg is growing it and I wonder what he thinks of it. Coming from Ty Ty made me lose any interest, I guess.
sunfish
05-17-2011, 02:47 PM
I don't think CCH is similar to the others other than being a musa.
Here is a photo of a CCH I took at Shawn's:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=11897 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=11353&ppuser=775)
I was definitely wrong on that one
harveyc
05-17-2011, 03:56 PM
Back in 2006 there was once a rather heated discussion about California Gold. I believe jeffreyp was the first person in this group to assert that California Gold was an Orinoco in his post at http://www.bananas.org/f2/last-california-gold-year-869-2.html#post5564.
Jeff Earl joined the forum (I think I alerted him to the heated discussion, just as a FYI) and posted at http://www.bananas.org/f2/last-california-gold-year-869-3.html#post5740 and made the following comment:
At least you must have went back and reread my ebay auction. You'll see that I offer my opinion as to it being related to the orinoco, blugoe, Ice Cream family.
Later on jeffreyp at http://www.bananas.org/f2/last-california-gold-year-869-3.html#post5679 he said he believes it's a "type of Orinoco" and says if it's a hardier sport it wouldn't really be beneficial outside of marginal growing areas.
There are quite a few comments from others in that 2006 thread from Mike V. and Joe real who shared their growing experiences and felt California Gold was different than the typical Dwarf Orinoco. As Gabe wrote above, he believes if there are any differences between California Gold and Dwarf Orinoco it's that California Gold might hardier/faster sport. I don't believe that's more than anybody has claimed, including Jeff Earl. The hobby-growing community has got a bit worked up over it and maybe made a bigger deal than warranted, sometimes paying ridiculous prices. It sort of reminds me of the ridiculous prices folks were paying for homes five years ago.
It's just not worth arguing about, IMHO. If you don't want one, don't buy one. I've only sold one pup and that was for $100 shipped and I only sold that one because Michael in Texas wanted one and offered to pay that.
chong
05-17-2011, 04:31 PM
I have a feeling were going to find all these plants to be some form of Orinoco.Texas Star,C.G.,Carolina King and CCH.
Carolina King, according to Anderson Nursery, is possibly a Cavendish variety, not a Bluggoe type. But then, they consider the Lacatan as a Cavendish type also, which I don't think it is. The original purveyor of this plant was Ty Ty Nursery.
sunfish
05-18-2011, 09:00 AM
Anyone growing Carolina King ?
harveyc
05-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Anyone growing Carolina King ?
According to the wiki, Greg in Fresno is growing it.
sunfish
05-18-2011, 09:38 AM
I didn't know that Cavendish are this cold hardy. Has survived temperatures below 10F.
cherokee_greg
05-18-2011, 10:31 AM
According to the wiki, Greg in Fresno is growing it.
I need to change it my Carolina King did not make it through the winter.
cherokee_greg
05-18-2011, 10:41 AM
Wow, forgot all about that old discussion. I see Greg is growing it and I wonder what he thinks of it. Coming from Ty Ty made me lose any interest, I guess.
Mine grew real fast when I planted it last summer. It did not make the winter it was the only big plant that did not make it.
chong
05-18-2011, 10:45 AM
I didn't know that Cavendish are this cold hardy. Has survived temperatures below 10F.
According to Ty Ty, CK is cold hardy to Zone 7 (5°F - 10°F) and it is covered by their replacement guarantee within that Zone.
harveyc
05-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Greg, how cold did it get at your place this winter? We got down to 26F once and several times down to 28F and most bananas did okay, with some actually keeping portions of some leaves. I even left several bunches of bananas on over winter and they are ripening now. :)
cherokee_greg
06-07-2011, 08:53 PM
Greg, how cold did it get at your place this winter? We got down to 26F once and several times down to 28F and most bananas did okay, with some actually keeping portions of some leaves. I even left several bunches of bananas on over winter and they are ripening now. :)
im not sure I was in the hospital most of the winter.
cherokee_greg
06-07-2011, 08:55 PM
Mine grew real fast when I planted it last summer. It did not make the winter it was the only big plant that did not make it.
update There is a pup from the Musa Carolina King growing Man im happy I did not did it up !
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