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Patty in Wisc
03-22-2010, 12:52 AM
The top 2 leaves are fully opened but not out all the way & have no stem (petiole) showing. There is a leaf coming out trying to unfurl & a leaf inside THAT one - like a cigar unfurling, AND a leaf inside that one. Why are they stuck? Maybe I should fert? Its been in the sunroom & because it's cool in there (ave 59*), the nanas haven't been growing much if at all, over winter. This Truly Tiny is truly trying. Maybe put it in warm west window?
A leaf in a leaf in a leaf. It looks healthy otherwise - & it's about 4 1/2 yrs old. Thanks for opinions & advice.
saltydad
03-22-2010, 01:11 AM
Sometimes this is evidence of the need for repotting to a larger pot. When this happened to me with my DC, I had to cut the leaves to allow the new leaf out.
Abnshrek
03-22-2010, 12:01 PM
I let the plant work its self out. I guess maybe pot is issue? But time and sun will help :^)
CookieCows
03-22-2010, 12:45 PM
That is happening to me now with some that I have over wintering inside in pots. Seems to happen every winter and I just pull and cut to give the inner ones room and pray that the weather warms up fast so they can be transplanted outside asap! Sounds like yours has always been in a pot .. maybe the bigger pot idea is a good one too.
Good luck!
Deb
What variety is it? This apparently is more prone to some than others. A few of mine are like that too. Raja Puri is kind of known for it.
Patty in Wisc
03-22-2010, 04:33 PM
Howard, you were absolutely right!!!! I thought...nah, can't be rootbound. I potted up twice last year -spring & fall. All of a sudden in last 2 years it is growing fast. I took it out of pot & sure 'nough - rootbound. It was in about a 4 gal pot (not actually 4 gal by volume) so I drilled holes in a 5 gal (real gal) bucket & gave it some fert & a sunnier place.
So, thanks Howard :) Deb, maybe you should check the roots(?)
Hey Bob, it's Truly Tiny. 22 inches high & 12 1/2" p stem.
CookieCows
03-22-2010, 05:48 PM
:) Deb, maybe you should check the roots(?)
Very well could be! ... mine are dug up and only potted throughout the winter though
Patty in Wisc
03-23-2010, 10:30 PM
I still really don't know if that is the problem LOL. I'll just have to wait & see.
CookieCows
03-23-2010, 11:04 PM
I just got done pulling the leaves down on another nana today. Was a pup we chopped off in the fall and put in a pot to over winter in the house. It sure looks pathetic right now. Water just poured out of it when I peeled back the outter leaves and the stuck leaf was real light green and by this evening part of it has turned dark green and looking better.
Patty in Wisc
03-24-2010, 03:13 PM
Now I'm noticing it's happening to my Dbl Mahoi. There is a big cigar coming out of a unfurled leaf. I don't remember this ever happening before, or at least not this bad. I don't think the mahoi is rootbound - I potted up to 30 gal last spring/summer.
C'mon summer!
CookieCows
03-25-2010, 01:26 PM
You know after looking around at all the nanas I have inside waiting to be put back into the ground, most of them seem to have the choking leaves and the only thing that is different for them inside verses outside in summer is that I don't water as much or fertilize more than maybe once during the winter and the growth slows way down which is what I want for in the house. I don't know how you are maintaining your growth rate but the slow growth is the only thing I can see on my end with that problem. Mayb the burst of fertilizer that I recently gave them caused a NEW growth spurt to happen before the other leaves were all the way out? I do know that it's happened before during winter and once they get back outside everything works it'self out but I end up peeling leaves back at end of winter on some that are the worst.
parid09
03-25-2010, 08:57 PM
I have had this problem for a little while with my Daj Giants ( see post "glued cigars"). What I did was to take a 409 bottle and blast the "stuck" portions of the leaf margins with water, hydraulically causing them to unstick, and the leaves continued to grow normally after that. My plants are definitely not rootbound, as the though of that keeps me up nights, and I make sure they don't have pinched feet. I am not sure of the reason, but after the plants got bigger, this seemed to stop. If the leaves can't unfurl properly, the new leaves will continue to grow up inside them and become a twisted mess! Try this and see what happens.. Good luck!
Patty in Wisc
05-05-2010, 09:10 PM
Thanks Parid, but they aren't stuck as if glued. The growth is stuck & it's getting worse. The stem part won't come up & out of previous leaf. Truly Tiny has 5 leaves 'stuck' like this & a new one coming. They can't unfurl.
Dbl Mahoi has leaves out but no stem on about 6 leaves. They are right on top of each other. What is causing this? Maybe I should do surgery.
sunfish
05-05-2010, 09:52 PM
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=31350&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=31350&ppuser=2868)
SDC
Patty in Wisc
05-05-2010, 10:04 PM
That's it... looks like 2 leaves in there trying to come out Tony. T.T. has about 6 or so all furled up in one big ugly bunch. Maybe I could post pic - if puter cooperates.
CookieCows
05-06-2010, 06:27 AM
That is exactly what happens to me but only during overwintering inside. When they go in the ground... everything corrects itself. I'll be interested to know if yours corrects it's self Patty since you've had your TT quite awhile and stays in a pot. This summer I'm keeping two DO's in a pot outside and hoping they correct themselves like the ones going in the ground.
Great pic Tony! Hope you don't mind me jumping on your thread with a similar problem Patty!
Patty in Wisc
05-06-2010, 10:30 AM
Don't mind at all...it's nice to know someone else has this problem. Was hoping that being outside would make the pstem grow but gotta bring them in ... we might get snow later:(
the flying dutchman
05-06-2010, 11:41 AM
Here you have leaf stuck, the leaf grows but doesn't unfold. It's said that
overfertilizing is the reason. This was a Basjoo of mine.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=3211&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3211)
Ron
justjoan
05-06-2010, 02:09 PM
I have the same problem on my SDC, the double Mahoi is doing great as are the others, think they just need to be back outside, but like you the temps got too cold here so brought them all back in till next week at least, I hate this weather !!!!:coldbanana:
Patty in Wisc
05-06-2010, 03:34 PM
Ron, nice to see you post again! Yours is different problem....nice pic. Mine are unfurling but the leafs before have no stem...growing out on top of each other with not much room to unfurl. It almost looks like 6 leafs coming out of one leaf. They should be growing upward. I only fertilized once this year but this started before that.
Gotta run but will try to post pics.
parid09
05-06-2010, 04:52 PM
Hi Patty. Somewhere in the past I have heard people talking about a "bunchy top disease" in bananas and cannas. Don't know what it is, but looking at the pics and hearing the stories, these certainly qualify. It certainly looks like the stems just arent growing out.. Good luck with this one!
Patty in Wisc
05-06-2010, 07:53 PM
Thanks Parid, looks like Ron's pic showed the same problem you had with the 'cigars' glued.
Off to post pics.
Patty in Wisc
05-07-2010, 12:26 AM
well for some reason Photobucket won't let me C&P pics of the plants I took today. Been on here for over 2 hours D loading pics & trying to get them on. They changed their format & for some reason, I can't use it. I feel like crying....I have good pics too.
It won't let me C&P the pics I uploaded there. Don't know what else to say except... boo hoo. But, it does show about 5-6 leaves coming out within a inch of @ other. They are unfurling but all in one bunch. :(
Abnshrek
05-07-2010, 01:10 AM
They are unfurling but all in one bunch. :(
Don't fret... When they pop apart it be like an umbrella opening up :^)
CookieCows
05-07-2010, 09:38 AM
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u18/dkelperis/2010/Bananaproblems001-1.jpg
Here is a pic of what mine are doing. The cigars are unfurling but the previous leaves aren't fully out yet. In some cases I have to pull outter leaves down. When I do that, water pours out of the plant. None of the plants are fertilized during the winter months inside until the last month or so before going back outside so maybe what Ron said about fertilizer factors into this also? So far this problem hasn't caused any damage as they all go back into the ground and it all works itself out.
Patti... on photobucket I copied the code that said 'direct link' and then I clicked on insert image on here and pasted.
parid09
05-07-2010, 11:02 AM
What I have run into a couple of times is if the leaves aren't "popped open" in time, the new leaf will grow up inside and catch the furl of the previous leaf causing the whole shebango to get stuck and require cutting open. However, this has only happened when I have had to bend a growing cigar over to accomodate the ever lowering ceiling. I am running out of vertical space rapidly on my sun porch, and am real glad heat is headed our way. Also, dis regard the "bunchy top syndrome" as it is a virus transmitted by a tropical aphid. I did a little research and found it is a real evil thing that has been attacking some plantations in Hawaii, resulting in some REAL sick looking plants, and highly doubt it would affect us who live in isolated, temperate areas. I think all of our problems will be solved as soon as we can get our babies out side!
Patty in Wisc
05-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Thanks Deb, that's a good pic of what mine are doing. TT has 5 leaves in one bunch - none being all the way out. DM has 6 in a bunch so I did a Deb....pulled older leaves down LOL.
I tried photobucket again...I highlite the IMG (like always) & go to edit but 'copy' won't highlite so I can't click on it. Right clicking on IMG won't do it. I click on the message & try to paste but that isn't highlited either. 'Direct link' won't do anything...maybe it's my puter.
I guess they just need warm weather & real sunshine:)
Patty in Wisc
05-07-2010, 06:21 PM
Hey, it works! It wouldn't let me C&P before. This is Truly Tiny w 5 leaves "stuck"
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/Patty_in_Wisc/bunchingTT.jpg
CookieCows
05-07-2010, 07:10 PM
It worked! yaaay! Must have been a glich on photobucket.
Yup those leaves sure look familiar! I had two that was getting so bad that the inner leaves were staying a light green and those are the ones that I first started ripping at and the water poured out of them and once I freed up the inner leaves they turned dark green and became sturdy within a day. It's such a struggle to get through winter inside!
sandy0225
05-19-2010, 05:46 AM
My Mini Sdc did that too in the fall. I think they tend to do that whenever they aren't totally happy in their growing conditions. It turned out the bloom was trying to come out in mine. How old is yours? Maybe you should take a good look inside and see if something is trying to come out? my mini bloomed at 3 yrs.
Patty in Wisc
05-19-2010, 12:22 PM
It turned out the bloom was trying to come out in mine. How old is yours? Maybe you should take a good look inside and see if something is trying to come out? my mini bloomed at 3 yrs.
Good point Sandy! I have them outside for last few days so the conditions are better. Maybe they are both trying to flower??? WooHoo, they are both 4 years old so maybe I could cut some leaves away & check what's in there.
Wouldn't 2 more flowers be great?!!
I just now pulled leaves down on both.
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