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ewitte
03-12-2010, 07:05 PM
Two trees. Just counted apples starting to grow not counting multiples in one spot or ones that are too small to tell :) Last year there was 1 and it got ate by a worm. Any tricks to keeping worms away?

Jack Daw
03-13-2010, 05:22 AM
Two trees. Just counted apples starting to grow not counting multiples in one spot or ones that are too small to tell :) Last year there was 1 and it got ate by a worm. Any tricks to keeping worms away?
A use a special plastic paper. You have to cut it into squares and then cover it in a sweet, long-lasting liquid glue (something you might find in a gardening shop) and hang it on various branches. That way not only adult bugs, but also larvae will be attracted to the paper. It will try to eat it, but stick to it and die because of starvation.
Attach one paper also close to the trunk (or around it) to make sure that any migrating bug won't escape.

Still, I think that trying to grow apples in zone 9 Texas is like trying to grow bananas in zone 6 Europe. ;) Whatever comes out of it, is just visual. :ha:

There are also numerous plants that you can plant in vicinity to make bugs fly away faster than a jet fighter. One of those is Tobacco.

ewitte
03-13-2010, 07:58 AM
Still, I think that trying to grow apples in zone 9 Texas is like trying to grow bananas in zone 6 Europe. ;) Whatever comes out of it, is just visual. :ha:


Anna and Dorsett supposed to do good in zone 9

There are also numerous plants that you can plant in vicinity to make bugs fly away faster than a jet fighter. One of those is Tobacco.

Bugs are smarter than people ;)

sunfish
03-13-2010, 08:18 AM
Anna and Dorsett supposed to do good in zone 9

They both do good in zone10

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=29956&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=29956&ppuser=2868)

Richard
03-13-2010, 12:16 PM
There are also numerous plants that you can plant in vicinity to make bugs fly away faster than a jet fighter. One of those is Tobacco.

Tobacco is host to several viruses, the most common is harmful to tomatoes and close relatives. Also, tests repeatedly show that when you plant an "insect repellent" plant, the bugs ignore it and go straight to the neighboring plant of interest.

the flying dutchman
03-13-2010, 12:34 PM
It probably was some kind of caterpillar, no worm.

Ron

sunfish
03-13-2010, 12:52 PM
WikiAnswers - What kind of worms are in wormy apples (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_kind_of_worms_are_in_wormy_apples)

Richard
03-13-2010, 02:15 PM
Attach one paper also close to the trunk (or around it) to make sure that any migrating bug won't escape.

Attaching strips on and especially around the trunk will slowly kill the tree.

Jack Daw
03-13-2010, 03:16 PM
Attaching strips on and especially around the trunk will slowly kill the tree.
Why? It's common fruitarian practice here, apples are cultivated like that not further than 2km from here (that's how I found out about that technique). It doesn't have to be tight, that's just for about 4 months, during fruit maturation, not the entire season. Also pears and peaches are protected that way. No pesticides or what-so-ever are needed.

the flying dutchman
03-13-2010, 03:30 PM
WikiAnswers - What kind of worms are in wormy apples (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_kind_of_worms_are_in_wormy_apples)

Didn't knew you call these Larvae "Worms". A misunderstanding then
from my side.

Ron

Richard
03-13-2010, 09:21 PM
Attaching strips on and especially around the trunk will slowly kill the tree.

Why? ... It doesn't have to be tight, that's just for about 4 months, during fruit maturation, not the entire season.

The problem with a general statement like this:

Attach one paper also close to the trunk (or around it) to make sure that any migrating bug won't escape.

is that a novice will read it, not knowing the limitations, and wrap it (or other consumer products) heavily around their tree trunks and leave it there permanently. I have at least one service call a month from someone with "problem" fruit trees that are slowly dying from this practice.

the flying dutchman
03-14-2010, 10:47 AM
Those strips are only there to see when the mots get active and to decide
whats the right moment to spray insecticides. Probably Jack is missing the moment when they are spraying and assumes the strips are sufficient
to kill the larveas of the mots or the mots themselves.

Ron

Jack Daw
03-14-2010, 11:09 AM
Those strips are only there to see when the mots get active and to decide
whats the right moment to spray insecticides. Probably Jack is missing the moment when they are spraying and assumes the strips are sufficient
to kill the larveas of the mots or the mots themselves.

Ron
Nope, I meant stripes with some sort of bio-glue. Just like the yellow stripes for flies, but different color and it is scented with something.

sunfish
03-14-2010, 11:49 AM
ODA Plant Division, Insect Pest Prevention and Management Light Brown Apple Moth Survey (http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PLANT/IPPM/survey_lbam.shtml)

the flying dutchman
03-14-2010, 01:55 PM
Nope, I meant stripes with some sort of bio-glue. Just like the yellow stripes for flies, but different color and it is scented with something.

Right Jack, if they grow apples commercially they are used for the reason I mentioned. To detect when the moths get active and to determine whats
the best moment to spray. At least, that is the way it's used here. It
is not a prevention. I am sure the growers near you spray the apples
also with insecticides but they have to know whats the right time.
They can see it at the stripes(Or whatever you call it) cause the moths
fly at night.

Ron

ewitte
03-14-2010, 06:29 PM
I remember seeing some kind of "wax" to coat over. The more I check to more I see. Just one tree has at least 25 now and 10 fastly approaching the size of a dime. Way more productive than the last two years (its been in the ground about 2.5 years).

Richard
03-15-2010, 02:35 AM
The pesticide I use to kill them is rated for USDA Certified Organic Farming. Ironically, you need a pesticide applicator's license to purchase the product and there is no consumer-approved product for these pests that has the certified organic farming rating!

sunfish
03-15-2010, 08:07 AM
Time to fend off the codling moth is now - San Jose Mercury News (http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-living/ci_14464885)

ewitte
03-15-2010, 10:56 AM
Been using Green light fruit tree spray which is 70% Neem Oil. Going to look for some hanging traps.

Richard
03-15-2010, 07:48 PM
Been using Green light fruit tree spray which is 70% Neem Oil. Going to look for some hanging traps.

I like Green Light Fruit Tree Spray and recommend it to customers for all the pests and diseases listed on the label.

http://images.lowes.com/product/converted/049424/049424410163md.jpg

Henry
03-16-2010, 04:18 AM
They both do good in zone10

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=29956&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=29956&ppuser=2868)

Sunfish,
I have the same apple tree and I always thought I've got a Fuji :)

sunfish
03-16-2010, 07:13 AM
This is a 5in1 Dorset,Anna,Beverly Hills,Einshjmer and Fugi.The apples in the pic are Dorset.