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kgbenson
10-05-2006, 02:17 PM
500 bucks - wow - and you have to buy:
http://asiaticanursery.com/product_info.php/cPath/66/products_id/1439
Keith
tlturbo
10-05-2006, 04:08 PM
If 25 of us threw in $20 and we had it TC'd and shared the plantlets.............................
Just a thought. :bananarow: :bananarow: :bananarow:
kgbenson
10-05-2006, 04:21 PM
read the fine print - you have to buy 2 . . . . :2190:
Keith
tropicalkid
10-09-2006, 12:43 PM
Then let's get $40 each. I think it's still a viable idea. More to tissue culture!!!
If the idea catches attention, make a list of interested people with $40 to donate for the cause.
Carlos
kgbenson
10-09-2006, 12:54 PM
While I like the idea, I am not certain we could generate that much speculation - and I suspect we would then need to contract with a TC lab to make the thing. I can do the TC, but I am not certain I would want that level of responsibility.
Keith
jeffreyp
10-09-2006, 01:37 PM
you could probably contact agristarts and see if they'd be interested. It might be quite a few months before you'd ever see any plantlets.
Zac in NC
10-09-2006, 01:45 PM
read the fine print - you have to buy 2 . . . . :2190:
Keith
counts as two plants for shipping calculations.
No actually it just counts as 2 plants when shipped, not you have to buy two plants.
Zac
tlturbo
10-09-2006, 02:53 PM
That's how I read it - buy 1 plant, pay 2 plants worth to ship.
I'm in for $20 to start this
Terry -
Hey - this looks like my .50 but I can't hold it like this (50 lbs)
:2687:
momoese
10-09-2006, 03:02 PM
Can this plant be TC'd or is it a mutation like Ae Ae?
PaulOdin
10-09-2006, 03:07 PM
I'm in, if this goes anywhere. Keith, you would only need a little tissue, Right? It ought to give you plenty of chances to get it right, and still get pups. Of course, whatever we actually paid would have to cover ALL expenses.
On the other hand, Brenda, down at A&B has given a few plants to Agri-Starts to tc, and they pay her a licensing fee for a set time. I didn't ask for details, but they might be willing to arranged some way to take the labor out of the project.
Paul
MediaHound
10-10-2006, 07:03 AM
I'm in, if it goes anywhere, too :)
tropicalkid
10-10-2006, 07:44 AM
Well, if Brenda did it, someone else can get the plants to agristarts and let them do the job, if they pay back licensing fees we can split it and at least get somethingwith the initial investment, 'cause then they will have their fees afterwards too. If a nursery license is needed, I can bet some of the members have nurseries by themselves. Just my 2 cents.
Carlos
kgbenson
10-11-2006, 11:53 AM
"Keith, you would only need a little tissue"
Yes - but it is the meristem of the plant and there is only one per pseudostem. In essence you destroy the plant to get the tissue you need. If the culture becomes contaminated you are then out of luck.
Agristarts might be the way to go. The thing could go from $500 to $1in less than a year.
Keith
jeffreyp
10-11-2006, 01:20 PM
I'd contribute $$ toward the purchase of this plant with the intention to donate it to agristarts. I think it's an incredibly beautiful plant that should be in cultivation.
:bananarow:
AnnaJW
10-12-2006, 12:37 AM
Keith,
That's so cool! Thanks for posting the link.
Come on - somebody here buy one! :hiiiiyanana:
D'Andra
10-18-2006, 01:54 AM
Keith, that is really cool! I don't know if I could grow one here in NM, but I'm more than willing to give it a try.
Terry, I think it's a great idea! Put me down for $40. and send me a message if this deal goes through.
I think for $20-$40 ea. we could get enough people together to pull this off. As far as the tc goes I'll have to leave that up to you guys to find somebody.
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D'.
AnnaJW
10-18-2006, 02:16 AM
I forgot to say that I'm willing to put in $20. Maybe $40, if not enough people join in.
jeffreyp
10-18-2006, 04:56 AM
Even if it wasnt immediately tissue cultured, if someone has a greenhouse and could grow it under optimal conditions then produce a few pups, start some more, and give the rest to who chipped in.
grammie
10-18-2006, 06:17 AM
I'm greenhouse rich, could chip in $20.
jeffreyp
10-18-2006, 06:59 AM
if everyone who is interested email me? I can collect the funds and we can make the purchase. lets get this train rollin... :choochoo:
grammie
10-18-2006, 10:53 AM
What is the plan Jeffrey? to give it to Agristarts?
jeffreyp
10-18-2006, 12:37 PM
Whatever the consensus is...or have keith grow it in his green house and grow a couple pups on it, then donate those pups for tc?
Tropicallvr
10-18-2006, 01:40 PM
Isn't this called Siam ruby also. Would it be a better deal to buy through ebay? Also the plant is only 12 inches tall which I think is the same size as the ones on ebay, and doesn't the meristem have to be fairly large for successful microprop?
Also don't we have a resident TCer that could do it for us?
I'd be interested in contributing for one.
Kyle
MediaHound
10-18-2006, 02:09 PM
While I like the idea, I am not certain we could generate that much speculation - and I suspect we would then need to contract with a TC lab to make the thing. I can do the TC, but I am not certain I would want that level of responsibility.
Keith
Still up for the task, Keith?
:2727:
jeffreyp
10-18-2006, 04:34 PM
ok before anyone else emails me, I wanted to bring this to everyone's attention. I called agristarts today, and they already have tissue cultured this plant. They already have explants at this stage. Sounds good so far? Nope! The kicker is that the indivdual who gave it to agristarts has exclusive rights to the plants they produce for 1 year. So the price is going to be artificially high on these things for a while. The only other option would be for Keith to take a plant, grow it in his greenhouse, then get a pup from it and try getting some explants from the pup. I think this is the best approach and would take alot of pressure off of him if the tissue cultures fizzled out. I am sure keith will give it the best of care, water it often, give it fertilzer and maybe blow it a kiss now and then (just kidding you keith)
(;
D'Andra
10-18-2006, 10:15 PM
This method could take awhile. Although I agree at this point it sounds like the best option. I guess it's up to Keith or someone with a greenhouse. If Keith says yes, I say we buy him a plant! I'm still in for a couple of shares!
___________
D'.
jeffreyp
10-18-2006, 10:28 PM
Yup I think Keith is our best hope, unless there is someone else on this site who is adept with tissue culturing plants? I think keith has access to a greenhouse at his work and I know he'd give it plenty of care. Once the plant started to produce suckers he could take one and immediatey tissue culture it. If I was any good at tissue culturing banana plants, I'd feel the same way he does in not want the responsibility of chopping up a $500 plant if it the explants all fizzeled out.
I am very passionate about gardening, and I am especially fond of all the banana cultivars I am growing. I really wish the ace of hearts was available to everyone at a reasonable price and I hate to see plants become like commondity items...And even the AEAE banana plants that I occasionally sell, I wish they were common so that everyone could have one at a realistic price. In the case of the ace of hearts, unlike the aeae there's no reason why this once can't be mass produced.
tlturbo
10-19-2006, 10:20 AM
I guess to let Keith off the hook, we all have to think how many times we have spent $20 on a plant (e-bay, Home Depot) and had it die?? I'm still in for $20 and if he has a freak freeze and looses it, hey, it was a shot.
Terry
jeffreyp
10-19-2006, 10:50 AM
honestly, if the plant costs 500 dollars, we'll need about 13 people to contribute 40 dollars. I doubt there is 25 people on this site in total willing to contribute for this plant. And we still have not heard from Keith.
momoese
10-19-2006, 11:17 AM
Does anyone know yet if it produces edible fruit? If so I'll go $20, otherwise it's just another pretty plant that I don't want.
D'Andra
10-19-2006, 11:54 AM
Help us Obi Keith Kenobi, you're our only hope!!! :2761:
I too want to know if it fruits. Although I'm still in even if it doesn't. Unlike Mitchel I NEED another pretty plant to try to get my yard from a desert sticker-patch to somethig that is lush and green (or red in this case)!
___________
D'.
MediaHound
10-19-2006, 11:56 AM
I guess to let Keith off the hook, we all have to think how many times we have spent $20 on a plant (e-bay, Home Depot) and had it die?? I'm still in for $20 and if he has a freak freeze and looses it, hey, it was a shot.
Terry
Worth repeating, Terry! I wouldnt mind.
as a side note, to get more eyeballs on this thread, I've stuck it to the top of the forum
I guess it is pretty impossible to get it to Norway, but just a thought here: The more people that gives money, the more plants is needed. So I'd say, at least $40 each, to get as few as possible to need pups.
Gard
jeffreyp
10-19-2006, 01:20 PM
Gard,
If you are having a tough time obtaining banana plants in Norway, why not try obtaining some banana seeds? You shouldnt have any problems importing seeds. You can buy them from here:
http://www.seedman.com/banana.htm
or
http://www.rarepalmseeds.com
PaulOdin
10-19-2006, 02:50 PM
How many people do we have? Let's call it 15 people at $40, or there abouts. I'm not sure how many hands are up out there (squinting)...
Paul
doubravsky
10-19-2006, 03:11 PM
I'm in. Does anyone know about possible hardiness? I'd hate to go through all this for something I can't plant outside.
AnnaJW
10-19-2006, 03:33 PM
I'm in, too.
tlturbo
10-19-2006, 03:36 PM
I made a separate thread for people that PROMISE to contribute to make a contribution - Maybe it can be made a STICKY?
PLEASE POST ONLY if you will contribute.
Terry
If I can get some of the pups in Belgium, I'm in for $40.
Who has any experiences with this? I guess customs won't do difficult with TC plants.:2118:
MediaHound, am I just discovering more and more smilies, or are still adding more and more ?
:nanerwaveytrain:
D'Andra
10-19-2006, 05:37 PM
It's zone 10+. I'm in 7b-8, it just means more work for wintering, but look at it! Even if I have to keep it indoors or in the greenhouse for 6 months a year I'm in. After a few pups I'll try overwintering one out in a cage. With the help and guidance I find here I'm willing to try. Actually I bought bananas and bamboo just to see if I could grow them in the desert sand, planted 4-06 and all are still doing good. Not sure where to put bananas for wintering though.
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D'.
Kylie2x
10-19-2006, 05:52 PM
:bungejumpnaner:
Why not I'm in for at least $20.. and or!
Kylie
MediaHound
10-19-2006, 06:13 PM
@ wim - they rotate :) If you click the little link under the smileys that says [more], it will take you to a new window where they all appear, so you can find your favorite or just something new or different. Then you click the smiley you like, and it puts it in the post wherever your cursor was left sitting before you clicked the "more" link. You can do more than one, they will just line up. Then you can cut and paste them wherever you want them in the post using Ctrl+X (copy) and Ctrl+V (paste) shortcuts. more info than you needed? well it'll help someone, believe me :)
@ Terry - here's the link to the other thread for everyone who needs it http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?t=1225
I think the link from here is good enough. I don't really see the need for a seperate thread, we could just do a list here and everyone can grab the most recent list and add their name to it. Now it'll get confusing!
I'm not sure if we should have two threads on this topic stuck, we don't want it too cluttered. I can still merge the threads, though...
Like I said, I'm in for at least $20.
And now that I know that Agristarts is doing TC on these, I will definately go in on a partial tray when they are available at the typical TC'd banana rate.
jeffreyp
10-19-2006, 09:14 PM
the problem with ag. starts is for the next year, 100% those plants are going to one grower. So not until a year from now will those plants be at a slightly more reasonable price.
momoese
10-19-2006, 10:09 PM
Ok, you folks don't seem to be hearing me so I'm going to yell now...................DOES THIS PLANT PRODUCE EDIBLE FRUIT?
jeffreyp
10-20-2006, 07:10 AM
If no one answers, it's probably because no one knows.
grammie
10-20-2006, 08:13 AM
I want to be in, but not if it's going to Agristarts. I will offer my business license, my greenhouse and my money, but if they are already committed to one grower what would they do for us? just asking.
jeffreyp
10-20-2006, 10:28 AM
they wont do anything with us. They alreday have an exclusive contract with one grower. All the plants they produce go to that one grower. And I am sure the price will be artifically high for the next year. Like I have mentioned before we need somone in house to do some tissue culturing for us. There also might be another tissue culture lab that would be willing to do this, probably would have to google for one.
grammie
10-20-2006, 10:45 AM
well, can't help with the TC, hopefully you can find someone.
D'Andra
10-20-2006, 01:16 PM
Hi Jeffreyp. How hard is it to do a tc? Any ideas where I could get more info on it? Do you need expensive lab equipment or some dishes and a sterile enviroment? I have a friend who grows mushrooms and has a lot of equipment. Maybe I could start practicing on some of my pups. Then someday...
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D'.
jeffreyp
10-20-2006, 01:45 PM
There's a bunch of links on how to do this on the net, keith benson has a good one on bananas, but he moved the pages to another site. You could send him a private message to find his links.
Here's one that might be helpful for you.
http://www.quisqualis.com/tv03tc01p2.html
D'Andra
10-20-2006, 06:49 PM
Wow thanx!
That link is very helpful and gives me a good idea of what I'm getting myself into. I think my friend has all the equipment to do this! I'll try to get a hold of Keith for his links.
Have you ever tried this?
Again thank you!
__________
D'.
KeyWest
12-08-2006, 11:33 AM
I uploaded a picture of my Musa "Ace of Hearts" to new bananas and to my gallery. There appears to be very little red in the leaves of this immature plant. I would appreciate any of your thoughts on this or more information on this plant. --KW--
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=1758&size=1
The reason it is probably not displaying very much red is because most likely that plant was grown in some kind of greenhouse or filtered light conditions. From a little bit of experience, this plant seems to need full sunlight to really develop the red coloring especially if its a small pup. There's a few different posts on here about this banana but little information is out there. :gifs_rojo
chong
12-10-2006, 11:57 PM
i'm in!
Hey! Sean,
I believe you are in the wrong thread. The thread for whether you want in or not for the list of recipients of TC'd M. Siam Red is not this one. This is the one: http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?t=1225&highlight=ruby+red
Unfortunately, participation on that list is now closed.
chong
12-11-2006, 01:49 AM
they wont do anything with us. They alreday have an exclusive contract with one grower. All the plants they produce go to that one grower. And I am sure the price will be artifically high for the next year. Like I have mentioned before we need somone in house to do some tissue culturing for us. There also might be another tissue culture lab that would be willing to do this, probably would have to google for one.
There is another TC place in FL called Oglesby Plants International. I have ordered several flats of "Super Dwarf Banana" from them through their wholesalers. They hold the patent and copyright for that plant. They used to accept special contract for TC of plants. But I looked in their website, and did not find most of the information that they had from before. The links they now have only lead you to 1 page description of that particular topic or department. Nothing in any of the links would indicate if they will do special contract for TC'ing.
Then, also, if they did accept a contract to do it, where would we get the meristem to give them?
Chong
KeyWest
12-11-2006, 08:47 AM
The reason it is probably not displaying very much red is because most likely that plant was grown in some kind of greenhouse or filtered light conditions. From a little bit of experience, this plant seems to need full sunlight to really develop the red coloring especially if its a small pup. There's a few different posts on here about this banana but little information is out there. :gifs_rojo
Eggo - Thanks for the info. I got this "Ace of Hearts" plant last week. I have it in partial shade at this time. I plan to move it slowly into more sun. Once it adapts to full sun I plan to plant it in the ground in a full sun area. I am having a small problem of where to put it (too many bananas in my yard). I plan to do photo documentation of the growth progress of this plant. I hope to learn as I go with this plant. Thanks for your interest. -KW-
Taylor
02-03-2007, 03:31 PM
They stopped selling this item.
I guess they ran out?:11:
Taylor
dragr13
02-03-2007, 05:13 PM
I don't know if this is the thread i'm supposed to say it in, but i'll put some money into this venture. if anyone is ACTUALLY doing this put my name on the list! 20 or 40, whatever. and i don't mind waiting for a decent pup!
dragr13@hotmail.com
but it looks like Tyler's right, now that i look at the link...
MediaHound
02-08-2007, 09:58 PM
http://www.bananas.org/showthread.php?t=1225
Please check this thread for the progression of this conversation. And Sean, you are already on the list. Posts 23 and 31 (and maybe some others) assured you were in...
:)
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