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djmb74
01-13-2010, 11:58 AM
Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/12/monsantos-gmo-corn-linked_n_420365.html)


Monsanto's GMO Corn Linked To Organ Failure, Study Reveals

Huffington Post | Katherine Goldstein/Gazelle Emami Posted: 01-12-10 05:30 PM

In a study released by the International Journal of Biological Sciences, analyzing the effects of genetically modified foods on mammalian health, researchers found that agricultural giant Monsanto's GM corn is linked to organ damage in rats.

According to the study, which was summarized by Adam Shake at Twilight Earth, "Three varieties of Monsanto's GM corn - Mon 863, insecticide-producing Mon 810, and Roundup® herbicide-absorbing NK 603 - were approved for consumption by US, European and several other national food safety authorities."

Monsanto gathered its own crude statistical data after conducting a 90-day study, even though chronic problems can rarely be found after 90 days, and concluded that the corn was safe for consumption. The stamp of approval may have been premature, however.

In the conclusion of the IJBS study, researchers wrote:

"Effects were mostly concentrated in kidney and liver function, the two major diet detoxification organs, but in detail differed with each GM type. In addition, some effects on heart, adrenal, spleen and blood cells were also frequently noted. As there normally exists sex differences in liver and kidney metabolism, the highly statistically significant disturbances in the function of these organs, seen between male and female rats, cannot be dismissed as biologically insignificant as has been proposed by others. We therefore conclude that our data strongly suggests that these GM maize varieties induce a state of hepatorenal toxicity....These substances have never before been an integral part of the human or animal diet and therefore their health consequences for those who consume them, especially over long time periods are currently unknown."

Monsanto has immediately responded to the study, stating that the research is "based on faulty analytical methods and reasoning and do not call into question the safety findings for these products."

The IJBS study's author Gilles-Eric Séralini responded to the Monsanto statement on the blog, Food Freedom, "Our study contradicts Monsanto conclusions because Monsanto systematically neglects significant health effects in mammals that are different in males and females eating GMOs, or not proportional to the dose. This is a very serious mistake, dramatic for public health. This is the major conclusion revealed by our work, the only careful reanalysis of Monsanto crude statistical data."

jeffreyp
01-13-2010, 01:08 PM
Personally I am ok with GM plants in a limited sense such as imparting genes from related plants that have immunity to disease or related plants that can give an increase nutritional value. I think giving plants genes from animals or genes that give immunity to pestisides/herbicides are a bad thing. Generally speaking I am opposed to it. I worry about the fate of citrus with the spread of greening disease. In citrus they have imparted genes from spinach and other plants that are immune to greening disease and citrus canker. There are related plants "citroids" that can be infected with greening but never get greening, perhaps those would be better candidates as donor plants?

sandy0225
01-14-2010, 09:13 AM
I wish they could GM a corn that was immune to DEER too! I guess bugs is a good start...

Worm_Farmer
01-14-2010, 09:15 AM
GMO's are turning into a bad thing. Monsanto putting small farmers out of business because there stupid GMOs have cross pollinated with other plants in the area. I have seen some crazy movies on You Tube and read some crazy info on GMO's. I do not think GMO's are always bad but I do think they need more testing before released to general public. I also believe that if Monsanto is going to go after the small farmers because their GMO genes have polluted someone else genes, that farmer should not be held accountable for this. I believe all GMO products should be grown in doors only. Build huge warehouse's/tunnels/greenhouses ect. This will keep the genes closed off from the outside world and allow for higher out put(IMO). ALL GMO products should be labeled in local stores as such!

Now that we know this type of GMO corn is at fault for some types of organ failure then we should ban it from use in consumer and animal food products and only use this type of corn to make OIL and ethanol fuel. So there can still be good made of a bad thing.

turtile
01-14-2010, 10:24 AM
Now that we know this type of GMO corn is at fault for some types of organ failure then we should ban it from use in consumer and animal food products and only use this type of corn to make OIL and ethanol fuel. So there can still be good made of a bad thing.

Given that this study was funded by Greenpeace which has an all out campaign against genetic engineering, I wouldn't take this study to be a fact. Until we see this test done by unbiased scientists, we won't know for sure.

momoese
01-14-2010, 10:36 AM
Given that this study was funded by Greenpeace which has an all out campaign against genetic engineering, I wouldn't take this study to be a fact. Until we see this test done by unbiased scientists, we won't know for sure.

Yes but with Monsanto in bed with the government that will be tough. They will do everything they can to stop or discredit any such research.

I'll take Greenpeace's word over Monsanto's any day.

djmb74
01-14-2010, 10:42 AM
I agree

They could make a James Bond movie using Monsanto corporation as the evil villain.... or did they already do that?

No wait that was an X-Files episode...

Yes but with Monsanto in bed with the government that will be tough. They will do everything they can to stop or discredit any such research.

I'll take Greenpeace's word over Monsanto's any day.

momoese
01-14-2010, 10:52 AM
Here is the actual report.

http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.pdf

CookieCows
01-14-2010, 10:53 AM
Given that this study was funded by Greenpeace which has an all out campaign against genetic engineering, I wouldn't take this study to be a fact. Until we see this test done by unbiased scientists, we won't know for sure.

I completely agree with you but then I agree with Mitchell too. I wish we could believe what we read but even with Greenpeace the best of intentions regarding information can get so convoluted by the time it reaches print that you just don't know if it's slanted just a little.

No matter how little space a person has growing anything is better than growing nothing to have some healthy food and know where it comes from in my opinion.

jasonlotp
01-14-2010, 12:42 PM
This is just sensational news. There study they did was flawed using poor control and sample size. This isn't a real "scientific" study, its just some group trying to create public panic

LilRaverBoi
01-14-2010, 02:55 PM
I believe all GMO products should be grown in doors only. Build huge warehouse's/tunnels/greenhouses ect. This will keep the genes closed off from the outside world and allow for higher out put(IMO).
This is a nice thought, but is not even CLOSE to being a feasible option. I'm from Iowa and my family has grown corn/soybeans my entire life. Our farm is 1500 acres and is a VERY small percentage of the cropland in Iowa. And I would estimate that 90 percent or more of the corn/soybeans grown in Iowa are GMO (round-up ready, liberty-link, etc are all VERY common these days). It simply is not even close to being affordable or economical to build greenhouses over tens of thousands of acres of cropland. This option may work for other species that are grown in large greenhouses already (tomatoes, lettuce, etc) but simply is not an option for things like corn or soybeans.

jeffreyp
01-14-2010, 09:15 PM
I still like the GM monkey that glows in the dark!

http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/weirdscience/monkey_x600.jpg

Abnshrek
01-14-2010, 09:20 PM
Is the monkey really glowing or is that the light? freaky regardless :^)

sandy0225
01-24-2010, 07:17 PM
I'm glad for organ failure...I never cared for that kind of music anyway....lol.......

jeffreyp
01-24-2010, 11:59 PM
Is the monkey really glowing or is that the light? freaky regardless :^)

It's a jellyfish gene that glows when exposed to UV light, yes it's really glowing.

damaclese
01-25-2010, 10:05 AM
i hate to contradict any one but Monsanto is already in bad state with the FDA after there escaped seed landed in over 100,000 test samples in 1998 and 1999 this particular seed was of the type that produces its own insecticide and is only rated for live stock feed in those same years of 98 and 99 100,000,000 million $ US of corn was ordered destroyed and to this day there are at least 4 to 5 samples of this GM corn showing up out in the natural farm environments do to cross pollination Monsanto was hit with the largest fine ever leveed on a US corporation they are still paying Quarterly payments to the FDA and will be for the next 20 years this is all a mater of public record and there was a nice documentary on it on the history Chanel 2 weeks ago I'm sure it apiaries that Monsanto is in bed with the government but if you brig there name up to any FDA inspector you will see his or heres face turn red they hate Monsanto and the only reason Monsanto was not forced out of the US market was by a court saving maneuver on Monsanto's part or they would be completely out of business here so much so that now the FDA has posted full time inspectors at all of Monsanto's Labs and facilities if Monsanto so much as sneezes they will by the Judges own statement see a plague come down apron there head such as no US corp has ever seen end quote he also ordered the head of the distribution as well as several other key Monsanto people to be remanded over for trial i do not know the out come of thees trials

momoese
01-25-2010, 11:23 AM
Pauly, the evidence is overwhelming that Monsanto and our government are in bed together. Obama appointed Michael Taylor as our food czar. What more does one need to know? It's over, the fat lady is singing.

Jeffrey Smith: You're Appointing Who? Please Obama, Say It's Not So! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/youre-appointing-who-plea_b_243810.html)

Monsanto’s man Taylor returns to FDA in food-czar role | Grist (http://www.grist.org/article/2009-07-08-monsanto-FDA-taylor/)

Will Obama's new Food Czar end organic farming? (http://www.examiner.com/x-11401-Orlando-Alternative-Medicine-Examiner~y2009m8d10-Will-Obamas-new-Food-Czar-end-organic-farming)

A little history of collusion.
US Goverment - Monsanto Collusion Reported -- Item #10029 (http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/news/10029.htm)

And the icing on the cake.
Monsanto Today ~ Forbes Magazine Names Monsanto Company of the Year (http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto_today/2010/company_of_the_year.asp)

harveyc
01-25-2010, 12:30 PM
Come on, Mitchel. Michelle has an organic garden at the White House, cut the administration some slack!!! :ha:

jeffreyp
01-25-2010, 03:25 PM
i hate to contradict any one but Monsanto is

I am not spinning anything in favor of them. I only said I would favor limited gm when lending genes from related plants that increase nutrition or disease resistance. Citrus is an example of a plant species that could go extinct without the help of gm.

Richard
01-25-2010, 06:01 PM
I'm sure for some people that this finding about Monsanto's GMO corn means that all GMO foods are bad for you, including all the seedless Tangerines and thornless blackberries you've ever eaten.

harveyc
01-25-2010, 06:25 PM
Still waiting on my first Tango! :D

r3tic
01-25-2010, 07:10 PM
i hate to contradict any one but Monsanto is already in bad state with the FDA after there escaped seed landed in over 100,000 test samples in 1998 and 1999 this particular seed was of the type that produces its own insecticide and is only rated for live stock feed in those same years of 98 and 99 100,000,000 million $ US of corn was ordered destroyed and to this day there are at least 4 to 5 samples of this GM corn showing up out in the natural farm environments do to cross pollination Monsanto was hit with the largest fine ever leveed on a US corporation they are still paying Quarterly payments to the FDA and will be for the next 20 years this is all a mater of public record and there was a nice documentary on it on the history Chanel 2 weeks ago I'm sure it apiaries that Monsanto is in bed with the government but if you brig there name up to any FDA inspector you will see his or heres face turn red they hate Monsanto and the only reason Monsanto was not forced out of the US market was by a court saving maneuver on Monsanto's part or they would be completely out of business here so much so that now the FDA has posted full time inspectors at all of Monsanto's Labs and facilities if Monsanto so much as sneezes they will by the Judges own statement see a plague come down apron there head such as no US corp has ever seen end quote he also ordered the head of the distribution as well as several other key Monsanto people to be remanded over for trial i do not know the out come of thees trials



Do you have any additional information on this. I can't seem to locate anything on it.

Thanks

Richard
01-25-2010, 07:15 PM
I'm going to watch something else -- seen this sci-fi "B" movie too many times.

LilRaverBoi
01-26-2010, 12:02 AM
I'm sure for some people that this finding about Monsanto's GMO corn means that all GMO foods are bad for you, including all the seedless Tangerines and thornless blackberries you've ever eaten.

I agree that some individuals may carry such a finding in such a way, but I assure you this is not a logical scientific conclusion in the LEAST. No doubt you agree.

jeffreyp
01-26-2010, 02:30 AM
seedless citrus? It was my understanding seedless citrus came about by irradiating them or through mutations not gmo.

damaclese
01-26-2010, 08:59 AM
Pauly, the evidence is overwhelming that Monsanto and our government are in bed together. Obama appointed Michael Taylor as our food czar. What more does one need to know? It's over, the fat lady is singing.

Jeffrey Smith: You're Appointing Who? Please Obama, Say It's Not So! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/youre-appointing-who-plea_b_243810.html)

Monsanto’s man Taylor returns to FDA in food-czar role | Grist (http://www.grist.org/article/2009-07-08-monsanto-FDA-taylor/)

Will Obama's new Food Czar end organic farming? (http://www.examiner.com/x-11401-Orlando-Alternative-Medicine-Examiner~y2009m8d10-Will-Obamas-new-Food-Czar-end-organic-farming)

A little history of collusion.
US Goverment - Monsanto Collusion Reported -- Item #10029 (http://www.ethicalinvesting.com/monsanto/news/10029.htm)

And the icing on the cake.
Monsanto Today ~ Forbes Magazine Names Monsanto Company of the Year (http://www.monsanto.com/monsanto_today/2010/company_of_the_year.asp)

hey i hear ya I'm not disagreeing completely but the facts of there near demise in 2000 are a mater of public record the appointment mite be Monsanto's attempt to recover from there tragic poisoning of the corn supply's and i think Obama should know better but the main stream Medea well as usual ignore all the pertinent facts and let the American People stay ignorant there easer to control that way its all so Orwellian don't you think

im beginning to think that there mite not be a way to fix any of this stuff i think we may have lost to the Corp in that case the USA is soon to become a there'd world country with controlled and ignorant folk weirs then now
well we can all go to MEXCO wouldin't that be a hoot if all theas amaricans started imagrating they wouldint know what to do its sapose to be the othere way around

damaclese
01-26-2010, 09:03 AM
Do you have any additional information on this. I can't seem to locate anything on it.

Thanks

i first learnd of it in a documentary on the history Chanel on GM food they talked extensively about it i saw the show 2 or 3 weeks ago i think it was "Modern Marvels" but I'm not sure

damaclese
01-26-2010, 09:13 AM
I'm sure for some people that this finding about Monsanto's GMO corn means that all GMO foods are bad for you, including all the seedless Tangerines and thornless blackberries you've ever eaten.

Richard i dont know on which side of this you are on But GM food is so bad that out side the USA there are hardly any Countrys that alow it and becaus of this are food exsports are shrinking no one wants are GM food so its really not good for busness they just havint figured that out yet the European unoin will not let it in that 14 countrys or so that wont buy are food and theas are the richesed ones we need there busness why do we have to alwas debat what is in my mine a no brainer if its not natural its probly not good for us history teaches us that Humin Bings as good as we are at building things suck at Creation somthing alwas gose wrong! im begining to think that we are tuely lost its a good thing im old and wont have to live with this much longer it feels like Hell to me

harveyc
01-26-2010, 09:56 AM
Pauly, USA farmers do not face any big problems exporting their GMO crops. I've grown GMO corn and global supplies of corn (all types) are what drive exports. When I've sold corn to a grain broker they don't even ask if it's GMO or not, though that's been a few years since I've been growing alfalfa since then (GMO and conventional).

I once read an article that reported that majority of sobyeans used in Italy were GMO. This is pretty lengthy, but it does say that most of the soybeans used there are from USA and Argenta where GMO crops are allowed: http://www.dista.unibo.it/doublehelix/proceedings/SECTION_VI/HELIX%20pp%20627-633.pdf. That same paper also says that any risks with GMO crops that may exist is greatly reduced after it is utilized as feed. Here the Italian Welfare and Health Minister had suggesting lifting the ban in 2008 Italy should lift GM ban - health minister - Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2008/10/20/afx5578934.html).

I personally try to avoid eating foods that I know have been genetically modified but don't worry about eating meat that has been produced using GMO feed (more concerned with hormones, actually). I recently was surprised to learn something like 95% of the sugar beets grown in the USA last year were Roundup Ready beets so I've checked a few times and have made a conscious effort to buy cane sugar instead. I do buy many organic food items as is since I'm also trying to avoid using high fructose corn syrup and that's ending up in just about everything, but that's getting off subject and I'll leave it up to Bob or Beth to further derail.

damaclese
01-26-2010, 10:06 AM
Pauly, USA farmers do not face any big problems exporting their GMO crops. I've grown GMO corn and global supplies of corn (all types) are what drive exports. When I've sold corn to a grain broker they don't even ask if it's GMO or not, though that's been a few years since I've been growing alfalfa since then (GMO and conventional).

I once read an article that reported that majority of sobyeans used in Italy were GMO. This is pretty lengthy, but it does say that most of the soybeans used there are from USA and Argenta where GMO crops are allowed: http://www.dista.unibo.it/doublehelix/proceedings/SECTION_VI/HELIX%20pp%20627-633.pdf. That same paper also says that any risks with GMO crops that may exist is greatly reduced after it is utilized as feed. Here the Italian Welfare and Health Minister had suggesting lifting the ban in 2008 Italy should lift GM ban - health minister - Forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2008/10/20/afx5578934.html).

I personally try to avoid eating foods that I know have been genetically modified but don't worry about eating meat that has been produced using GMO feed (more concerned with hormones, actually). I recently was surprised to learn something like 95% of the sugar beets grown in the USA last year were Roundup Ready beets so I've checked a few times and have made a conscious effort to buy cane sugar instead. I do buy many organic food items as is since I'm also trying to avoid using high fructose corn syrup and that's ending up in just about everything, but that's getting off subject and I'll leave it up to Bob or Beth to further derail.

Harvy this same documetary that i watched about Monsanto said that Gm foods are expressly ban in all European Union country's

djmb74
01-26-2010, 10:09 AM
Funny how you can argue for climate scientists theories but you think the FACT that a large corporation that pays off politicians and genetically modifies the largest food crops in the world unchecked is science fiction! :ha:

I'm going to watch something else -- seen this sci-fi "B" movie too many times.

harveyc
01-26-2010, 10:20 AM
Harvy this same documetary that i watched about Monsanto said that Gm foods are expressly ban in all European Union country's But I believe those laws are ignored about like how we ignore speed limit signs, though the UK might be an exception.

djmb74
01-26-2010, 10:23 AM
One thing I have noticed, not sure if this has to do with GM foods or probably just people's diet in general.

When I was growing up with my 3 brothers we had a lot of friends and hardly any of them had allergies, food allergies in particular. Now that I have 6 kids and they have all kinds of friends over, I am shocked at how many of them are allergic to something or another. My kids not at all, maybe its because we have always not had much processed food, no soda in the house or eat fast food at all. Also the amount of children that wear glasses now, its crazy. I remember in school there was only that one kid that got picked on with glasses now maybe a 3rd of the kids coming around have prescription glasses....

damaclese
01-26-2010, 10:26 AM
harvy heres a link to a paper writen about the European unoins bans on GM foods

The European Union Skepticism towards Genetically Modified Food (http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/7/8/5/7/p178573_index.html)

heres a news artical posted on line about how The US is trying to get the European Unoin to revers its ban

U.S. Challenges European Ban on GM Food (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/06/18/gm-food-ban.aspx)

this is just funny
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=29290 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=29289&ppuser=2612)

harveyc
01-26-2010, 10:33 AM
Pauly, I know the ban exists. It's addressed in the paper I linked above. They still import GMO soybeans and they know it.

You better watch out uploading that picture here on the org, someone sticking their tongue out can be deemed offensive, you know! :ha:

damaclese
01-26-2010, 01:57 PM
Pauly, I know the ban exists. It's addressed in the paper I linked above. They still import GMO soybeans and they know it.

You better watch out uploading that picture here on the org, someone sticking their tongue out can be deemed offensive, you know! :ha:

well you made me lafe for today thanks ;-P

lorax
01-26-2010, 02:06 PM
I've been lurking with great humour on this debate for some time now. Pauly, thought you might like to know that GMO crops are banned under Ecuador's constitution, and that the ban is STRICTLY enforced.