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jeffreyp
01-07-2010, 02:08 PM
Sorry this is really off topic (and moderators feel free to delete this after a day or so), but if you or anyone you know has problems with gallstones don't get surgery but rather consider trying a gallstone cleanse. There is so much quack and worthless information out there I thought this was important enough to pass along since I have had first hand experience with this and it works. I feel 1000 percent better since doing it and interestingly this is a very ancient cure.
Basically you fast all day (you can drink juice or water), at the end of the day before bedtime drink 1 cup olive oil (yea i know it's gross) and 1/2 cup lemon juice, lay down and go to sleep. In the morning drink 1 cup of water with three teaspoons of epsom salts mixed in. In about 2-3 hours you will pass all the gallstones.
Just getting the liver and gallbladder working again cured some allergies I have had, acid reflux, and bad cholesterol levels. The gall bladder stores bile (stuff that breaks down fats) and sometimes genetics play a part, drinking alcohol, medicines, fatty foods, etc can cause stones to build up in the liver and gall bladder. Over time the stones get larger and it becomes difficult for the body to release bile to break down fats. Sometimes the stones can cause a painful feeling called a "gallstone attack" after eating greasy, rich foods. This is because the bladder is so full of stones it's like trying to push water through a hose that's full of marbles. So having stones in your gall bladder is bad because you can't release enough bile to break down the fats, bile is also a laxative so not having enough bile release causes constipation, and also the liver isn't able to get rid of toxins so you feel sluggish and tired. I've done maybe 6 cleanses and have gotten rid of 100's of stones. I had an allergy to caffeine but since doing this the allergy is now gone, along with the panic attacks. My cholesterol is perfect now and energy levels are great.
Liver cleanse gallbladder cleanse gallstones flush recipe (http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp)
CValentine
01-07-2010, 02:55 PM
Jeffrey,
I am finishing a 4 day Kidney Cleanse today & did a Gallbladder Cleanse last night...My friend Marimer & I are doing it together as support!
The Kidney & GB Cleanse work well in conjunction with each other.
I only do 1/2 of olive oil & a 1/4 cup of fresh squeezed lemon juice - must consume within 15 minutes before going to bed & I lie on my right side.
I have not used the epsom salt flush, my body is expelling just fine!! :D
My friend has used the Saltwater Flush, 1 quart water to 2tsp non-Iodized salt & says it works well for her.
I am not going to share about my gallstones(just gross!), but the relief from my kidney stones has been beyond belief!
Many, many stones have passed & I am pain free!!
I am planning my first meal back on Friday afternoon, probably around 1-2pm, as it is my body's natural rhythm to get hungry around that time.
Probably going to make a French onion soup, what are you having to eat?
:) ~Cheryl
jeffreyp
01-07-2010, 03:32 PM
Cheryl,
Hmmm...tonight I'll probably have some Italian food, tho french onion soup sounds delish! I really believe alot of allergies and other random health problems could be attributed to congested gall bladders and livers. I've read that most people have liver or gallstones and are asymptomatic (in the sense they are not having gallstone attacks) but may have other health issues related to this..If you consider the billions of things the liver does and if it's not working properly or at peak performance it just makes sense you're not going to feel right. I've read a recipe for another flush that calls for two cups of olive oil, but to me that's just overkill...1/2 cup may work but it might be on the low end of what's required to make the gall bladder empty its contents. I'd even bet most of the acid reflux and high cholesterol cases are due to having gall/liver stones. Probably the two most difficult things about this is fasting all day and drinking the oil...I just drink lemon aide and eat fruit Popsicle s to deal with the hunger pangs. You don't HAVE to do it before you go to bed, if you have the day off you can do it around 4 or 5 in the afternoon, but it's important to either lay flat on your back for at least 4-5 hours or on your right side...one more point I'd like to make is relax, and think of soothing, happy thoughts...I believe that when you have tense or angry thoughts, anxiety it can make the body tense and not release as many stones.
Patty in Wisc
01-07-2010, 04:47 PM
Thanks, this is interesting. Do those stones hurt when they pass? Can you actually see them? How do you know how many there are & if they all passed? I should try this sometime. Do you drink the oil & lemon jc together or jc after the oil?
Sorry for all the quests.
jeffreyp
01-07-2010, 04:55 PM
Patty, I hold my nose and gulp down the oil, then chase it with the lemon juice. I'll eat a peanut or something insignificant to get the taste out of my mouth, then I lay down and let the oil/lemon juice do their magic. My experience is within the first couple hours I can feel the gb spasm and release the stones (there is never any pain), I can also feel the liver stones traversing the liver through the heptic duct as well. In the morning when you go #2 (again sorry not meaning to be gross but..) you'll see the stones in floating on top in the bowl. I usually drink a glass of water with 3 teaspoons of epsom salts to really help flush everything out. They are pea green usually but can be tan, brown or red in color but usually they are a deep green color (cholesterol stones). If this is your first cleanse you'll probably pass a bunch the first evacuation, and less each time you have to go. The first time I did a gb cleanse I probably passed about 200 stones easily. If you have gall stone attacks I'd recommend doing a second flush two weeks later. For what it's worth, it's interesting if nothing else, one thing I noticed is the white of my eyes are brilliant white after doing a flush. I think it's because the liver is working at top performance and the toxins are flushing out instead of building up in the bloodstream. It's worked so well for me and it really makes me sad when I hear someone going in for gall bladder surgery. I've tried to tell people but generally the response is BAH! Or I think I will go with the advice of my doctor! The gall bladder stores bile and then releases it as needed to break down fats but when you have your gall bladder removed your liver is constantly dripping bile into the small intestine and you're destined for a life of constantly having "the runs" because you have too much bile all the time in the intestines. The first time I did it I admit I was skeptical - nevertheless I was also hopeful. I promise you I felt soooo much better and had a ton of energy the next day it's like I was given a new body.
Patty in Wisc
01-07-2010, 05:36 PM
Jeff, a doctor couldn't explain it better! I only heard that galstones pass thru urinary tract & when they are big, it is very painful esp. for men, & they gotta get the stone zapped out. I gotta get Michael to do this w/ me. Since Cheryl drinks half your amount, maybe I'll go w/ 2/3 cp oil & 1/3 cp jc. Can I still drink my usual wine or 2 martinis before bed?
Cheryl what's the diff between kidney cleanse & gallbladder cleanse?
CValentine
01-07-2010, 07:03 PM
Hi Patty!!
The kidney cleanse is for your urinary tract system. #1's
1 gallon of unfiltered apple juice & 1 gallon of distilled water A DAY.
The gallbladder cleanse works via your intestinal tract. #2's
1/2 cup olive oil followed by 1/4 cup lemon juice - rest for 5-6 hours(best at bedtime for me), lie on right side.
The kidney cleanse(KC) takes 3-4 days, while the gallbladder cleanse(GC) is for 1 day.
Once the KC kicks into full gear, you will end up going #1 about 10 or more times a day...it flushes the stones if you have any - it doesn't hurt me.
When the stones get stuck is when they hurt me...they've not stuck during a KC.
In the morning after a GC, I would stick VERY close to the bathroom.
They are expelled painlessly through the #2's.
The stones, oddly enough, float - as they are made up mostly of cholesterol.
Some people I know filter there #2's to keep track of the number & size of stones.
So now...that I've totally grossed you out :ha:, I gotta tell you how much energy I have after I get done with the Cleanses!!
As far as your nightly cocktails...I know with the KC - No, but with the GC, I am unsure.
:) ~Cheryl
Abnshrek
01-07-2010, 09:04 PM
I don't know if it works or not but I do know if your gaulblatter gets full of stones and burst you best be in the hospital before hand having it taken out.. :^)
jeffreyp
01-07-2010, 09:06 PM
That's true Abnshrek, but it's best to do these flushes before you ever get to that point and yes it works.
kidney stones are mineral stones that are tiny but extremely painful to pass as they travel from the kidneys then through the bladder and urinary tract. Gallstones on the other hand, when doing a gallstone flush, are painless to expel. They pass from the gall bladder into the small intestines follow along on their merry journey to the large intestines and then into the swimming pool (:
Patty no booze the day of the cleanse ): I know it stinks but it's all for the good. Also take any RX medications the morning of and if you take Rx's 2x a day, try at least an hr or two before the cleanse.
Liver cleanse gallbladder cleanse gallstones flush recipe (http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp)
http://gallstoneflush.com/images/gallstones1.jpg
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Patty in Wisc
01-07-2010, 09:33 PM
Cheryl, thanks for the details. I pee about 10 x's a day average so I might have to sleep in the bathroom huh? :) Also, I'm prone to light bladder infections that make ya pee little but often, so I drink cranberry juice & it goes away. I heard it cleanses the kidney too. Ever try that?
My cholesteral was high so I'm on a med for it. I guess it won't hurt to go without - I forget to take them a lot anyway LOL
I always wondered why ppl had gallbladder surgery...now I know! Thanks!
Geez, I don't know if I can go 4 days w/out eating while drinking 2 gal a day. whew!
jeffreyp
01-07-2010, 10:07 PM
Along with cranberry juice Patty, this might help you too..
1. TMG, MSM, or SAMe - methyl donors
(Diagnose-Me: Treatment: MSM (Methyl Sulfonyl Methane) (http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T31893.html))
2. CornSilk (herb) (2x daily)
3. D-Mannose ( D-Mannose (http://www.healingtherapies.info/D-Mannose.htm) )
4. Querectin (2x daily)
saltydad
01-08-2010, 03:39 AM
I had one kidney stone that was almost the size of a ping pong ball! When I saw the IVP film I was totally grossed out, and in panic. I don't care how well endowed you are; a ping pong ball ain't gonna make it out! It took 2 months before it finally reached a point when I was able to have it surgically broken up and removed. Definitely the most painful time in my life. As a nurse I'm skeptical of these 'cleanses', but if it avoids the pain of a renal or gall stone, try it!
jeffreyp
01-08-2010, 10:04 AM
hahaha! Now it's clear to me why I've never had problems with kidney stones (;
Patty in Wisc
01-08-2010, 02:38 PM
Jeff, I clicked on those links & read for about 2 or more hours LOL. Thanks. I ordered some D-Mannose
justjoan
01-08-2010, 03:01 PM
Thanks Jeff for this, will be giving this a try, my GB has been fired up off and on for years, time to try this remedy, and help myself out. I must admit I am nervous about it but it has to be done! I will try the 1/2 cup at first, although I do love the taste of olive oil !
jeffreyp
01-08-2010, 03:34 PM
Let me know how it works for you?
Patty in Wisc
01-13-2010, 03:04 AM
Just got my D -mannose today (kidney cleanse)...only 4 days after I order! I will call the 1-800# cuz I have a question about the doseage. I will do the G cleanse soon - with Mike. I think we both need it:) Good luck Joan & let us know how it went!
Hey Jeff, can't thank you enough for posting this:)
jeffreyp
01-13-2010, 04:42 AM
Patty and Joan, there are a quite a few testimonials here: Liver cleanse gallbladder cleanse gallstones flush recipe (http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp)
It seems a common thread when you need to do a cleanse (me included) is abdominal pain after eating rich foods, pain under the right shoulder, and acid reflux.
stumpy4700
01-13-2010, 08:23 AM
In the morning after a GC, I would stick VERY close to the bathroom.
That was my question can you leave the house without worry.
How long does the effect take place. is it one time? if not how long should one expect the GC to take place.
Also do you fast while you wait for the evacuation? or just do it before bedtime?
Thanks for this great info
CookieCows
01-13-2010, 08:55 AM
I'm a great believer in natural remedies but I agree with Abnshrek that it could be hospital time if you're not careful. Nothing wrong with seeing your Dr and getting an ultra sound to see what condition the gall bladder is in if you've been having problems. I hadn't realized that I had been having gallbladder problems until about 10 hours before I went in for surgery. They tried laproscopy first but it was too far gone so had to switch to the old fashioned way and the Dr said my gall bladder almost fell apart in his hand. Now had I started on the cleanses long ago as a preventive measure I'm sure I wouldn't have ended up in that position but I hate to hear advice given this way promoting 'a cure' over surgery. People could get hurt. As a healthy preventive measure I think it sounds great.
jeffreyp
01-13-2010, 09:45 AM
That was my question can you leave the house without worry.
How long does the effect take place. is it one time? if not how long should one expect the GC to take place.
Also do you fast while you wait for the evacuation? or just do it before bedtime?
From my experience I usually pass the stones early in the morning and I am fine to go to work / go about my day.
I think within the first hour of consuming the oil and lemon juice most of the stones are expelled, then it's just a matter of them passing through the digestive / intestinal tract and finally into the bathroom. If you start at 9pm, expect to go #2 around 7 hrs later. You should fast the day of the cleanse and only drink water or fruit juice.
jeffreyp
01-13-2010, 09:47 AM
I'm a great believer in natural remedies but I agree with Abnshrek that it could be hospital time if you're not careful. Nothing wrong with seeing your Dr and getting an ultra sound to see what condition the gall bladder is in if you've been having problems. I hadn't realized that I had been having gallbladder problems until about 10 hours before I went in for surgery. They tried laproscopy first but it was too far gone so had to switch to the old fashioned way and the Dr said my gall bladder almost fell apart in his hand. Now had I started on the cleanses long ago as a preventive measure I'm sure I wouldn't have ended up in that position but I hate to hear advice given this way promoting 'a cure' over surgery. People could get hurt. As a healthy preventive measure I think it sounds great.
Your concerns are addressed in a forum within the link I posted.
Liver cleanse gallbladder cleanse gallstones flush recipe (http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp)
CookieCows
01-13-2010, 09:58 AM
Your concerns are addressed in a forum within the link I posted.
Oh ok I appologize. I haven't clicked on the link as I thought it was just going to be propaganda promoting the cleanse. I've read so many articles that are totally biased towards the medical profession that I assumed and I know what they say about people that assume!
Again I apologize.
Deb
Patty in Wisc
01-13-2010, 11:52 PM
Jeffry & Cheryl, this D-Mannose I got for KC ...directions:
1/2 - 1 tsp per serving
Day 1 :
1 serving w/ 6 oz water every 2 hours (maz 7 times)
Day 2:
1 serving w/ 6oz water every 3 hours (max 5 times)
Day 3:
1 serving w/ 6oz water every 4 hours (max3 times)
Maintenance:
1 serving daily w/ 6 oz water
It doesn't say anything about fasting, nor how long for the maintenance. What do you think? I s'pose I can find the 1-800 # too:) I'm just a wee wee (pun intended) thinking of not eating for 4 days LOL
I told Mike that we will both do the gb cleanse on sunday. That's only 1 day to fast.
jeffreyp
01-14-2010, 07:31 AM
I don't think you have to fast while using D-Mannose, though you might want to space out meals after taking it. For example in the morning take d-mannose with water then wait at least an hour before your first meal of the day or drinking anything. I think the regimen you posted would be for treating a bladder infection or UTI.
D-Mannose (http://www.healingtherapies.info/D-Mannose.htm)
How much d-mannose do I need to take, and how often?
For an infection, you will need to take ½ - 1 tsp every 2 hours you are awake for the first 2 days. Do not dilute the dose by mixing the powder in a full glass of water. It should mix with 1-3 ounces of liquid, preferably water, to ensure the dose is concentrated and you are getting all of the Manno-max at the same time. DO NOT MIX WITH CITRUS JUICES.
According to Dr. Jonathan V. Wright, editor of Nutrition and Healing, if the infection is not considerably better within 24 hours, it is probably not caused by E.coli, Streptococcus, or Psuedomonas bacteria, please consult your physician.
VERY IMPORTANT – Take ½ - 1 tsp at least 45-60 minutes before relations and ½ - 1 teaspoon immediately after relations whether or not you are on a regular maintenance dose. Manno-Max d-Mannose can also be used for maintenance and prevention.
Will d-mannose react with the prescription drugs I’m taking?
Since d-mannose is a natural food substance, and not a drug, it will not interact with any other prescription drugs an individual is taking. It is completely safe to take d-mannose simultaneously with any prescription drug.
What is the shelf life of D-mannose?
The shelf life of d-mannose is approximately 3 years.
Can bacteria build up a resistance to D-mannose?
No. D-Mannose is not a drug and it does not kill bacteria. D-mannose merely prevents bacteria from attaching to cell walls, enabling the body to eliminate them naturally.
Does D-mannose feed Candida yeast?
D-mannose does not feed Candida yeast because the body does not metabolize it the same way it does with other sugars.
Patty in Wisc
01-14-2010, 05:57 PM
Excuse my ignorance last page. I guess I never really of gallstones - I only heard of kidney stones & pain men have in passing them.
I was just doing more reading on D-Mannose. When you said:
VERY IMPORTANT – Take ½ - 1 tsp at least 45-60 minutes before relations and ½ - 1 teaspoon immediately after relations" - I'm sure you mean intercourse?
I also read that first link you posted & other recipes. One says to drink the epsom salts night before but I'll do it your way. Mike is 6'1" & about 240 so I think he should drink full cup o oil & I'm 5'8" 125-130 so should I also drink that much? Well, if skinny Cheryl can drink 1/2 cup, maybe 3/4 cp will work for me LOL.
Cheryl, does the apple jc have something in it to flush K stones, or can it be any jc? Can you see the stones? Thanks alot you 2...I'll let you know on Monday:)
CValentine
01-14-2010, 06:52 PM
Patty,
I have seen other cleanses that use other juices...I like the simplicity of this one.
The unfiltered apple juice I believe is to keep your calories up & keep you hydrated.
A gallon of the apple juice I had added up to 1600 calories a day.
Gives you something that tastes good too! :D
I drink the water until I can't stand water & then I have a good sized glass of apple juice.
I use a fine mesh screen & counted 19 Kid. stones(3 large & the rest small) - I make alot of stones, my kidneys are usually peppered with them when I get X-rays.
I have had no pain & feel more energized!! I recommend it if you are suffering from KS.
Keep us posted! :) ~Cheryl
Patty in Wisc
01-14-2010, 07:29 PM
WOW 19!! Ok, just one more question LOL. What are the symptoms of having K stones? I have no pain when I go.
jeffreyp
01-14-2010, 09:13 PM
Patty, for me 1 cup of olive oil and 1/2 cup of lemon juice does the trick. In the morning I drink a cup of water mixed with 3 teaspoons of epsom salts to help mother nature along.. So I drink the olive oil and lemon juice and go to bed immediately (usually around 10pm), then usually wake up around 4am drink the water/epsom salts, go back to bed and around 6 or 7 am go #2 and pass all the stones, usually around 20-40 stones each time!
CValentine
01-14-2010, 10:44 PM
Patty,
When I have KS pain, I feel like I'm being kicked by a horse or taking kidney punches from a boxer.
On the 2nd day of the KC, I had the kicking sensation...I was pained & got a small fever.
I layed down..the next morning I had a small stream & then a surge! It was a large stone.
I have passed some good sized stones before, the small ones don't hurt & the larger ones you just cry & bear it!
Always talk to your physician if you do feel you have kidney stones, they can get an X-ray to evaluate how many & their placement.
I had a very large (17x19mm) stone that completely blocked off my Left Ureter, if I'd had tried a cleanse, it would have done me more harm than good.
Standing by! :) ~Cheryl
Patty in Wisc
01-14-2010, 10:53 PM
This is a little confusing below --I c&p'd it from link. It also says to eat brkfst & lunch day of fast (?):
"Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal, fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk). This allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones.
2:00 PM. Do not eat or drink after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule you could feel quite ill later. Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs. in 3 cups water and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings, 3/4 (three fourths) cup each. Set the jar in the refrigerator to get ice cold (this is for convenience and taste only).
6:00 PM. Drink one serving 3/4 (three fourths cup) of the ice cold Epsom salts. If you did not prepare this ahead of time, mix 1 tbs. in 3/4 (three fourth) cup water now. You may add 1/8 (one eight) tsp. vitamin C powder to improve the taste. You may also drink a few mouthfuls of water afterwards or rinse your mouth. Get the olive oil (ozonated, if possible) and grapefruit out to warm up.
8:00 PM. Repeat by drinking another 3/4 (three fourths) cup of Epsom salts.You haven't eaten since two o'clock, but you won't feel hungry. Get your bedtime chores done. The timing is critical for success.
9:45 PM. Pour 1/2 (half) cup (measured) olive oil into the pint jar. Add 2 drops HCl to sterilize. Wash grapefruit twice in hot water and dry; squeeze by hand into the measuring cup. Remove pulp with fork. You should have at least 1/2 (half) cup, more (up to 3/4 (three fourths) cup) is best. You may use part lemonade. Add this to the olive oil. Also add Black Walnut Tincture. Close the jar tightly with the lid and shake hard until watery (only fresh grapefruit juice does this).
Now visit the bathroom one or more time, even if it makes you late for your ten o'clock drink. Don't be more than 15 minutes late. You will get fewer stones.
10:00 PM. Drink the potion you have mixed. Take 4 ornithine capsules with the first sips to make sure you will sleep through the night. Take 8 if you already suffer from insomnia. Drinking through a large plastic straw helps it go down easier. You may use oil and vinegar salad dressing, or straight honey to chase it down between sips. Have these ready in a tablespoon on the kitchen counter. Take it all to your bedside if you want, but drink it standing up. Get it down within 5 minutes (fifteen minutes for very elderly or weak persons).
Lie down immediately. You might fail to get stones out if you don't. The sooner you lie down the more stones you will get out. Be ready for bed ahead of time. Don't clean up the kitchen. As soon as the drink is down walk to your bed and lie down flat on your back with your head up high on the pillow. Try to think about what is happening in the liver. Try to keep perfectly still for at least 20 minutes. You may feel a train of stones traveling along the bile ducts like marbles. There is no pain because the bile duct valves are open (thank you Epsom salts!). Go to sleep, you may fail to get stones out if you don't.
Next morning. Upon awakening take your third dose of Epsom salts. If you have indigestion or nausea wait until it is gone before drinking the Epsom salts. You may go back to bed. Don't take this potion before 6:00 am.
2 Hours Later. Take your fourth (the last) dose of Epsom salts. You may go back to bed again"
It says, eating brkfst allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones. That part is a little confusing.
jeffreyp
01-15-2010, 05:28 AM
Hi Patty,
I've read quite a few recipes and methods and what seems to be the most consistent theme is to not eat anything all day but I'd like to make the point drinking juice or water is ok. One extreme method is to fast for a week before doing the cleanse, another is to drink 2 cups of olive oil, another is to walk all night, and other silly things. I find most of these superfluous things unnecessary. Just keep it plain and simple...one cup olive oil, 1/2 cup lemon juice, lay down...anything else is just overkill. I can see some benefit in taking a magnesium supplement maybe earlier in the day or a couple of hours before doing the cleanse because magnesium has a relaxing effect but I have never bothered with it.
Patty in Wisc
01-15-2010, 09:17 AM
I'll do it yours & Cheryl's way Jeff:). I hope it helps Michael...he has pain in joints, acid reflux, fatigue & some other things you mentioned. I'll let you know monday:)
jeffreyp
01-15-2010, 10:50 AM
It definitely something to the allergy theory. I used to have get panic attacks and had a caffeine allergy. After a few flushes I have more energy, no more mental fog, and no more panic attacks or allergies. On person commented that the liver is compartmentalized in regard to function, as you flush out the stones from your liver and gall bladder certain allergies and ailments go away. Some people have livers and gall bladders so full of stones it takes a few flushes to get them all out. Unfortunately that was the case with me.
Patty in Wisc
01-15-2010, 11:46 AM
Which brings me to another question LOL. How far did you space those 3 flushes Jeff? 2weeks? 2 months? I'm sure weekly is not a good thing.
Cheryl, thanks for the honest & detailed description. You are both the greatest:)
jeffreyp
01-15-2010, 02:31 PM
they say at least two weeks, I've done two weeks, but usually 1 or two months.
Patty in Wisc
01-17-2010, 11:51 PM
Michael just took his dose & is in bed. I'll do it within the hour. Boy, am I ever STARVING!!!
CValentine
01-18-2010, 01:13 PM
Patty...How did it go?
Sorry I've been MIA...went camping & trail-riding, just hubby & I!
Hope we hear of good results!! :) ~Cheryl
Patty in Wisc
01-18-2010, 01:21 PM
Mike drank his dose at 10:15 like a trooper, & went right to sleep on his right side. I waited till 12:30 to drink mine. THANK GOD, or we'd be fighting over the B roomLOL. I had epsom/water in a jar in a little ice bucket in our B room, so when he got up (around 7) he drank some & went back to bed. He went about 7 times in just over an hour he said was over 100 mostly green ones. The biggest was pea size but not many of those...mostly small - some too small to count.
Well then it was my turn. Not many green ones if any, but they looked like dark raisins! Some 1/2 inch!!!! WOW, gross! Must've passed over 50 & more to come. The green ones are made up of cholesterol but what are the dark ones from? This is just amazing us LOL Sure helps when you don't do it alone - we supported each other. Thanks Jerry for posting this - I never heard about these cleansings. And thanks to you too Cheryl!
Oh BTW, we drank the oil thru a straw...much easier. I held my nose too. Also added a little lemon juice to oild - tasted better.
CValentine
01-18-2010, 01:42 PM
Wonderful Patty!!!
The varying colors of dark greens & browns, even yellow & white are the cholesterol stones. Bile causes the lighter green stones.
Dr. Hulda Clark Liver cleanse & gallbladder cleanse & gallstones flush recipe (http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp)
There are some stone descriptions in the above link...
You could be clearing out stones for a few days after the cleanse.
I hope you & Mike feel rejuvenated & full of energy like I did!! :) ~CHeryl
Patty in Wisc
01-18-2010, 01:52 PM
Hi Cheryl, yesterday around 6pm we were starving & wishing for today to come. We were both thinking, if this doesn't work we'll be pissed LOL. Ya know, when I laid on my side I felt some kind of movement but thought it was just a little twitching in mid abdomen & then remembered what Jerry said - about feeling them move. When I drank the juice, it went down wrong & I started choking & caughing. I gagged & almost thru up. I just drank it too fast but it was OK then. Mike says he passed about 150 (est) including little ones. I passed over 100 so far & most were little, but I had a LOT of big ones!! We looked at each others g stones to compare. Isn't that romantic?!!! :):):) We are laughing about it now. Hey, that's LOVE :)
CValentine
01-18-2010, 02:26 PM
Patty & Mike!!!
Getting healthy together & supporting each other...what could be more romantic!!
Gallstone comparison...
Hey, laughter is the best medicine!!! :D ~Cheryl
Patty in Wisc
01-18-2010, 02:43 PM
Thanks , it's all so interesting. What does "ozonate" mean?:
"For best results, ozonate the olive oil in this recipe to kill any parasite stages or viruses that may be released during the cleanse.
My dictionary doesn't have the word.
jeffreyp
01-18-2010, 04:47 PM
I have no idea what ozonate means either? Tho I have heard people say they have passed liver flukes (a type of parasite) after doing a gallstone/liver flush. I think taking some caprylic acid capsules is sufficient if you did happen to have liver flukes ( Liver flukes usually come from eating uncooked fish. )
All I can say is I am glad both of you are no longer stoned! (:
Patty in Wisc
01-18-2010, 05:26 PM
:ha::ha::ha::ha::ha:
We are destoned
jeffreyp
01-18-2010, 05:31 PM
I am sure you feel alot better...any comments?
momoese
01-18-2010, 06:11 PM
What does "ozonate" mean?
"For best results, ozonate the olive oil
toolsforhealing.com - How to Ozonate Oil (http://www.toolsforhealing.com/products/Ozone/Articles/OzonatingOil.html)
PortaZone Ozonator for Ozonating Water and making Ozonated Olive Oil (http://www.portazoneuv.com/)
jeffreyp
01-18-2010, 08:59 PM
very cool momoese, tho who has a ozone gas readily available?
Patty in Wisc
01-18-2010, 09:01 PM
Oh, so that's it. What I did was shake the bottle & take the cap off LOL. Hey, I had the right idea! I could use my old aquariam pump & tubing - maybe next time. Thanks Momo
Jerry, Mike says he feels better & I am getting some energy back. I had diarhea 7 - 8 times Sun when I fasted - don't know why - maybe too much apple jc. We also painted & insulated last 2 days to pass time. I felt drained this am but feel better now & I'm sure tomorrow I'll be back to normal or better. I think I'll try this again in another month or 2. Both of us are still amazed at the results.
Ozonate... geeze, I'm getting so smart, I can't stand it :):)
CookieCows
01-19-2010, 12:35 AM
Ok well I have to admitt I'm getting interested in this now. You guys tried it and didn't end up in the hospital. LOL
I talked to hubby about him doing it. Don't know if it would be safe for me to do it for kidneys since I don't have a gall bladder. Probably a dumb question but I don't have health ins. anymore so don't want to do anything stupid. Ric has health ins. so I figure he can take the chances. He has MS which causes big time fatigue BUT it's hard to tell what symptoms are MS and what symptoms are something else. It's easy to just blame everything on MS.
Patty in Wisc
01-19-2010, 01:05 AM
Deb, there can't be any bad results as far as I'm concerned. If you don't have a gallbladder, you still have a liver & it cleanses it too so go for it! Do it together for support.
Wish you luck.
jeffreyp
01-19-2010, 02:46 AM
The good news is MS responds in a very positive way to liver / gallstone flushes.
Here is another great article:
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Patty in Wisc
01-19-2010, 05:53 PM
Jeffrey, why do I keep calling you Jerry??!! I just noticed that.. duh. I just asked Mike if he feels better & he says he does feel more energy & he slept better:) Ya know, this would be a good start to a weight loss diet LOL. Yesterday we weighed same but today I weighed in at 120. Haven't weighed that since grade school LOL
stumpy4700
02-12-2010, 05:22 AM
What happens if you cant fast that long. Is 8 hours long enough? I work the midnight shift and the time line is a lil different.
jeffreyp
02-12-2010, 08:40 AM
It might be...the earliest I've done one is around 2 or 3 in the afternoon and it worked just fine. Most of the websites describe how to do a cleanse say doing it before bed mainly because who wants to lie on your back for 3-4 hours during the day?
Patty in Wisc
02-12-2010, 01:33 PM
In one of those links that Jeffrey posted, the directions said to eat brkfast and not eat after that all day. So, I would try last small meal 15 hours before your "cleans" drink because more than 24 hours is a long time to go without food. Well, we went longer than that...we ate sat night dinner & went to sleep & didn't eat anything on sunday & drank the "stuff" Sun night, so we didn't eat till Mon. Next time, I will eat lite brkfst & then about 15 hours later drink the stuff & go to sleep.
So Jeff, eat a lite meal 12 -15 hours before you go to sleep & I think it'll work just fine. Also, mix a little or all of the lemon juice w/ the o oil to make it taste better. That was the hard part - esp for Mike, untill I mixed the lem jc. in. You won't be sorry. Please let us know how it all goes:)
Oh, and take it easy on the epsom salt! Use 1/3 of that dose --Mike & I went to bathroom 7 times because of it! It helps to make you go, & loosen "things" so you can see the stones, but we drank the dose of 3 tsp(?) per 1 cp water & it was a little too much LOL.
And, next time I'll use 3/4 cp O. oil instead of 1 cp. I gave Mike 1 cp & I drank 3/4 cp & it worked just fine.
jeffreyp
02-12-2010, 03:37 PM
thanks patty for your feedback. I wish we were not in such a litigious society where a doctor could share this type of information.
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