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Lagniappe
11-24-2009, 11:05 AM
I didn't know where to post this, because it can go into a lot of catagories.
I have seeds in my orinoco x saba fruits!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27177&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27177)
:woohoonaner:
conejov
11-24-2009, 11:20 AM
WHO WHAT WHERE? Is this a cross breed? aren't both of them seedless?
Lagniappe
11-24-2009, 11:24 AM
YES!
But they both have fertile pollen. So I pollinated orinoco with saba, saba with orinoco, and basjoo with saba.
The basjoo fruits may not have had time to produce seed (or have been successfully pollinated),but the saba fruits are plumping up. I may pull a fruit off of that bunch today as well. The anticipation is killin' me.:D
Dalmatiansoap
11-24-2009, 11:30 AM
Congratulations!
:woohoonaner:
Jananas Bananas
11-24-2009, 11:31 AM
Too COOL! :)
conejov
11-24-2009, 11:35 AM
Its looks like some of the Basjoo pollen must have gotten on the Orinoco. did you use the same brush pollinate them all?
Lagniappe
11-24-2009, 11:37 AM
No, I used the anthers from male saba flowers.
conejov
11-24-2009, 11:45 AM
its still cool either way! I wonder if the seeds would germinate.
Lagniappe
11-24-2009, 11:48 AM
An orinoco x basjoo cross would be far more desirable, especially if it produced edible fruit, but these attempts were made before my basjoo ever flagged.
austinl01
11-24-2009, 11:53 AM
Wow, great work! You're amazing, Pete! Now, let's hope those seeds germinate.
Bananaman88
11-24-2009, 12:25 PM
Cool! Our latest mad scientist!
momoese
11-24-2009, 12:28 PM
Wow, look at you! I'm amazed you had bunches at the same time, or did you save the pollen?
You didn't do Basjoo x Orinoco?
Lagniappe
11-24-2009, 12:44 PM
I figured that the opportunity to cross basjoo with orinoco would be more likely to happen again, so I only used saba pollen for my basjoo attempts .
browndrake
11-24-2009, 01:02 PM
Very neat Pete!... Looking forward to updates.
aaron
Seaner
11-24-2009, 01:04 PM
Congrats! I'm new at growing plants but I'm getting that crosses like these don't come easy. Best of Luck on germination!
saltydad
11-24-2009, 02:36 PM
Fantastic news, and congratulations!
AV1611Corbin777
11-24-2009, 03:09 PM
Very nice man congrats. Do these seeds need any dormant time before germination?
CValentine
11-24-2009, 03:15 PM
AWESOME PETE!!! :D :D :D ~Cheryl
john_ny
11-24-2009, 04:01 PM
Nice going, Pete! I hope we'll soon be seeing a posting about germination.
momoese
11-24-2009, 04:19 PM
Is it possible to freeze the pollen for later use?
Dadmeister
11-24-2009, 04:28 PM
I didn't know where to post this, because it can go into a lot of catagories.
I have seeds in my orinoco x saba fruits!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27177&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27177)
:woohoonaner:
Very cool. :nanadrink:
jeffreyp
11-24-2009, 05:08 PM
did the seeds ever germinate?
winsorw
11-24-2009, 05:36 PM
Very interesting progeny. Both are doing well in my area (zone 8), especially Saba that seems to entertain low light too.
Please keep us posted if you grow them.
Congrats! I'm new at growing plants but I'm getting that crosses like these don't come easy. Best of Luck on germination!
:nanerwizard: Congratulations Pete :) !! :nanerwizard:
Totally awesome! Cant wait to see how good those seeds work!!
Winsorw: Awesome avatar, Luv it!
Sean: They dont. I'll explain when I get back, tonight.
curriedrice
11-24-2009, 06:16 PM
Start filing your plant patent! If you did cross basjoo with the others then I can picture a forest of banana trees fruiting in many different areas.
Congrats and thanks for sharing!
Dadmeister
11-24-2009, 06:27 PM
I didn't know where to post this, because it can go into a lot of catagories.
I have seeds in my orinoco x saba fruits!
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27177&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27177)
:woohoonaner:
If you need volunteers to try and germinate your seeds...well.... Pick me, pick me, pick me. :goteam::goteam::goteam:
Gabe15
11-25-2009, 01:05 AM
Is it possible to freeze the pollen for later use?
Im sure it is possible to preserve the pollen in some manner, but of what I have read I have found only reference to storing the pollen up to 3 days in refrigeration. I don't think simply sticking them in your freezer will do the trick, but maybe some type of advanced deep-freeze method would work theoretically.
Gabe15
11-25-2009, 01:09 AM
Looks good Pete. I don't want to discourage you (I do the same things you are doing), but just as a piece of information about banana breeding, the seeds, even if they look good on the outside, are often inviable or only viable with embryo rescue. By all means plant them and hope for the best, but if you are having a very difficult time getting them to grow, it is normal. Also there is no telling what the embryo inside is, it could have any range of ploidy, and anything beyond tetraploid is inviable. But....you could also become very lucky and produce something wonderful...who knows!
Lagniappe
11-25-2009, 01:36 AM
Thanks for all your help, Gabe.
I wouldn't have been confident enough to play around with this, without your answering my batteries of questions.
I'm excited just to get seeds in an orinoco, and I'll keep trying to hybridize as long as the plants bloom at the right times.
sandy0225
11-25-2009, 06:55 AM
very very cool!
CValentine
11-25-2009, 10:20 AM
Flavor??? Texture????
Inquiry minds Want to know!!! :D ~Cheryl
sirmoebly
11-25-2009, 04:27 PM
this is so cool....:woohoonaner:
Lagniappe
11-25-2009, 05:41 PM
Flavor??? Texture????
Inquiry minds Want to know!!! :D ~Cheryl
Oops, I need to re-phrase my original comment. I have seeds in my Orinoco fruit, which were pollinated with saba.
CValentine
11-25-2009, 07:49 PM
Oops, I need to re-phrase my original comment. I have seeds in my Orinoco fruit, which were pollinated with saba.
Can you get any pulp without seeds to taste.....HMMMM??!!! Please Pete???!!!!
See - I would be the crazy lady straining the seeds out to taste these seeded varieties...
Pink bananas have a flavor...I will find out - I will separate those seeds out & make True Pink Banana Ice Cream...(since 'smoosh' will be all I get out of it.)
Thank you Pete for sharing with us, you are the adventurous one!! :D ~Cheryl
Gabe15
11-26-2009, 09:28 PM
Can you get any pulp without seeds to taste.....HMMMM??!!! Please Pete???!!!!
See - I would be the crazy lady straining the seeds out to taste these seeded varieties...
Pink bananas have a flavor...I will find out - I will separate those seeds out & make True Pink Banana Ice Cream...(since 'smoosh' will be all I get out of it.)
Thank you Pete for sharing with us, you are the adventurous one!! :D ~Cheryl
What Pete is saying is that his fruit is just an 'Orinoco' fruit, it is nothing special taste or texture wise. He pollinated it so that it would form seeds, but its still just a normal 'Orinoco'.
Lagniappe
11-27-2009, 07:02 PM
Well, I got a grand total of 13 seeds from 27 fruits. Seems most were in the one fruit I picked...go figure.
There were many others, but they were white and not well formed yet.
The saba fruits were a flop. :(
frog7994
11-27-2009, 09:49 PM
ok now see if you can get the seeds to germinate. That would be really cool!
RobG7aChattTN
11-27-2009, 11:06 PM
You might want to try and contact someone who specializes in embryo rescue. That way germination would be almost 100% vs. the usual...or perhaps even less likely with a hybrid. I sure hope your basjoo crosses produce seed! Any chance that the flowers could have been self pollinated after you tried the cross? If the cross didn't take the flower could still be pollinated. I've heard that basjoo won't cross with anything due to a different number of chromosomes...but I don't know if that is true.
Lagniappe
11-27-2009, 11:20 PM
I'm not overly concerned with it, just having some fun...for free, with a slim chance of a wonderful outcome.
I removed the anthers from the female flowers before the pollen became activated, per the instructions I was given, so self pollination can be ruled out.
Gabe wrote something in another thread that leads me to believe that Basjoo make a better doner than mother plant.
Gabe15
11-28-2009, 03:35 AM
Gabe wrote something in another thread that leads me to believe that Basjoo make a better doner than mother plant.
The reason I recommended M. basjoo as the male in that situation was because they wanted to use 'Orinoco' as well which happens to set seeds well, and M. basjoo will definitely have fertile pollen (even though it may not be compatible with the 'Orinoco', only tests will tell), but it may be hard to get pollen from the 'Orinoco' to use on the M. basjoo.
Basjoofriend
01-16-2010, 12:40 PM
Hi,
Musa basjoo is diploid and Saba and Orinoco are triploid, it does not work with pollinating basjoo with Saba or Orinoco pollen. You must take pollen from Basjoo and give it to Saba and Orinoco, it will then work. Diploid pollen to female triploids or tetraploides will work.
Try also the cross Mysore x basjoo, I read on one PDF document that thiss cross was made in the past century, only 10 seeds were found in total 10 bunches and many of the seeds germinated and gave viable and healthy plants! I do plan this cross and I will polinate FHIA-18, Prata and Mysore with basjoo pollen. It will take some years until my basjoo in Brazil will flower for the first time, it's only nearly one year old, 10 months old. I took one pup last February to Brazil from Germany, it worked and the pup grew on! Now it is 5 feet tall and has already some new pups. And I got 2 pups from Mysore and 2 pups from FHIA-18 from one Brazilian friend, and Prata I got by purchasing my chanson and my yard two years ago, the former owner already planted Prata.
Best wishes
Joachim
frog7994
01-16-2010, 12:53 PM
would like to see that happen.
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