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Dalmatiansoap
11-15-2009, 08:01 AM
To avoid thread derail for one more time, lets show them here:ha:
My radio Eric
Sultan Blaupunkt from late 50s
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26683&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26683&limit=last1)
U can see its still working and sound is incredible for souch primitive tehnology.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26682&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26682&limit=last1)
Backside with sheme
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26681&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26681&limit=last1)
Flourescent bulb as signal indicator
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26684&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26684&limit=last1)
:woohoonaner:
And talking about old houses this is one of ours in village.
Buildt in 1870 and will still have to wait for some time for seriuos investment. Im planing to make rental apartment in it for tourists once. That would be very atractive I hope:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=16834&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16834&ppuser=4565)
Awesome, Ante :) ! That's one beautiful old radio! Also, that'd make a Great tourist place! Looks like lots of fun!
Unfortunately, the 1943 radio my dad bought & fixed doesn't have many features. Just has 2 little knobs. One turns it on & the other switches channels. But he got it working super! When ya turn it on, the light starts out dim & it takes time before ya hear anything. Then, the channels are mixed together & ya have to turn the knob to get to a single channel. He found a station playin Mexican music & it played it loud & clear! Won't play FM stuff, though, only AM but it works great!
Here's some of the pics i took. Dad made a 3 minute movie of it being turned on & playin music but it's too big to upload here.
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26686&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26676&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26678&size=1
damaclese
11-15-2009, 10:17 AM
i have many atiques but as im on a new conputer you all will have to give me a few days to get pictures
lorax
11-15-2009, 10:44 AM
I don't personally have any antiques, but the cities here sure do...
Ante, I see your 1870 and raise you 1625. This is the Basilica de Santa Teresita de la Virgen Negra, in Quito. It's equally impressive from the outside, and has been meticulously restored. I wish I were able to get a good picture of where it's situated, though. It's surrounded by modern skyscrapers.
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh196/HabloPorArboles/Best%20Photography/People%20and%20Places/StaTeresitaAngels.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh196/HabloPorArboles/Best%20Photography/People%20and%20Places/StaTeresitaNave.jpg
Dalmatiansoap
11-15-2009, 10:51 AM
WoW! U R pope?:ha::ha::ha:
I was reffering on showing your own antiques
:woohoonaner:
momoese
11-15-2009, 11:02 AM
Before you guys get going with this thread I'd like to call your attention to the definition of an "Antique" Wikipedia says 50-100 years old qualifies as antique, but most people say 100 years or more.
To anyone who browses antique shops these days the question "What is an antique?" seems to have many answers. Side by side with ancient-looking furniture and. old- fashioned china, browsers may find ruffled pink glass and souvenir spoons, no older than themselves. The problem bewilders not only buyers but dealers, too.
In 1930 the U.S. Government ruled that objects had to be at least a 100 old to be classified as antiques, so they could be admitted duty free into the U.S. But that was a legislative tax decision. Since then antiques have often been defined as objects made before 1830.
In Europe, items as recent as that seem quite young. In contrast with a classic Roman head, an 18th-century chair is modern. Antique shops in European cities are often called "antiquities" shops. Except for Indian relics and a few Spanish buildings in the Southwest, the oldest American antiques are but 300 years old.
Yet Americans experience the same contrast in their shops. To a New Englander who knows the pine furniture of Pilgrim days, a Victorian sofa doesn't seem antique. But in Nebraska or Oregon it does, because it represents the earliest furnishings in the region. The age of antiques seems to vary in relation to their environment. And so the perception of "What is antique?" changes from region to region and one part of the world to another.
Americans often count among their antiques items made by machine as well as those wrought by hand. Most of these are later than 1830. That date does, however, serve as a dividing line between the age of craftsmanship and the machine age.
Legends grow on antiques the way moss grows on trees. As a family heirloom is passed from one generation to the next, its history takes on added flourishes. A spinning wheel made in 1820 becomes the spinning wheel brought over on the Mayflower. A bed of 1840 becomes a
bed George Washington slept in.
But while the personal associations of heirlooms add to their interest, they can't be relied upon to place their date and source. Not every old piece has a pedigree or a maker's mark or label, but every one has characteristics that identify it which make it valuable to someone else. The secret of where and when and by whom it was made is in its material, its design, and its workmanship. So an antique is what the collector knows or perceives it to be. Nothing more.
island cassie
11-15-2009, 11:32 AM
Lorax - I see your 1625 and raise you 1509 - the house of Bartolome Colon - Christopher Columbus' brother
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26690&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26690&ppuser=628)
lorax
11-15-2009, 12:04 PM
WoW! U R pope?:ha::ha::ha:
I was reffering on showing your own antiques
:woohoonaner:
My full title is Pope Lorax XVII, of the Holy Empire of Rum
Totally Sweet! Luv old architecture! Luv History! Thanx for the info on antiques definitions, Mitchel! Btw, I owe Beth a lot for gettin me interested in history... Thanx Beth!
Also, found out why dad bought the radio. Has a lot to do with how computers started. Learned today that the tubes acted like transistors that could amplify currents. Computers needed lots of transistors (vacume tubes) so the first ones were gigantic and couldnt do very much. Now they use photography to etch thousands of transistors on a quarter inch square wafer-like thing so computers can be Real small.
Okay, this is an "Old object" that my dad bought years ago. It was made in the 1920's but doesn't have a keypad so I dont know how it ever worked. But they used these before they had cells:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26746&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26747&size=1
lorax
11-16-2009, 10:01 AM
Eric, that phone would have connected to a central switchboard in the town, where a real live operator would be responsible for putting you through to the person you wanted to talk to.
damaclese
11-16-2009, 10:01 AM
Totally Sweet! Luv old architecture! Luv History! Thanx for the info on antiques definitions, Mitchel! Btw, I owe Beth a lot for gettin me interested in history... Thanx Beth!
Also, found out why dad bought the radio. Has a lot to do with how computers started. Learned today that the tubes acted like transistors that could amplify currents. Computers needed lots of transistors (vacume tubes) so the first ones were gigantic and couldnt do very much. Now they use photography to etch thousands of transistors on a quarter inch square wafer-like thing so computers can be Real small.
Okay, this is an "Old object" that my dad bought years ago. It was made in the 1920's but doesn't have a keypad so I dont know how it ever worked. But they used these before they had cells:
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26746&size=1
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26747&size=1
Eric when this phone was in ues all phones were conected to a central swiching board were a real person called the operrator would manulay take a lin frome your phone and click it in to the line of the phone nuber you wanted to talke to this was cumbersom as the number of phone lins grew evetualy it was replaced with the automated swiching system which was a cage like devise with stacked contacts I wont go in to more on that unless you want me to nedlis to say it took thosands of wires for just a smale number of phone if you get a chans to look at any pictures of towns in the 20s you will note that thers many phone lines showing up in thouse pictures many people mistakinly idetify theas lines in the pictures as electric serive lines but in fact are phone lines
you see there are some benafits to being old LOL
damaclese
11-16-2009, 10:46 AM
here are some photos demonstrating diffirent swiching boards from the pre rotory dialing days
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26805 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=24861&ppuser=2612)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26807 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26806&ppuser=2612)
here is a piture showing the many phone lines that had to be run in those pre auto swiching days
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26809 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26808&ppuser=2612)
althoe there were many phone co in the begining by the 1950 there was just about the one and only we all rember it heres there logo
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26808 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26807&ppuser=2612)
damaclese
11-16-2009, 10:52 AM
lorax we must have posted simtaneously
lorax
11-16-2009, 11:31 AM
lol! You were much more thorough in your explanation, though.
Thanx Beth & Paul :) !! That's incredible Deluxe!! That's a LOT of wires! See why they had to get better ideas - Bet the birds Luv'd it though, lots of places to sit :) !
So, what I figure is that ya just picked up that black tube-looking thing & somebody was just sitting somewhere ready to find out who ya wanted to call...? Would make it easier But cant imagine how many wires they'd need now!
Thanx for all the Super pics, too :) !
Abnshrek
11-16-2009, 07:40 PM
I guess my house is a antique then...lol :^)
damaclese
11-16-2009, 09:58 PM
Thanx Beth & Paul :) !! That's incredible Deluxe!! That's a LOT of wires! See why they had to get better ideas - Bet the birds Luv'd it though, lots of places to sit :) !
So, what I figure is that ya just picked up that black tube-looking thing & somebody was just sitting somewhere ready to find out who ya wanted to call...? Would make it easier But cant imagine how many wires they'd need now!
Thanx for all the Super pics, too :) !
yes there was a person referd to as the oparator mostly this would have been a woman her job was to sit there and answer ever call that came to her board it was tiersom and at times of high call volume stressfull my mother was a telaphon operator for many many years hes the reson i know so much on the subject and the fact that i love any bit of historical fact i lived in a house for years that was built in the 1850 in a town that had the second largest number of milinaris in the 18th cetury of cours Natches Mississippi was the largest number of milunars during the civl war if you ever get a chans to go there its a highly informativ city to visit but i digress so all stope there
damaclese
11-16-2009, 10:03 PM
I guess my house is a antique then...lol :^)
i guess im antque too heheheh at least mentaly LOL
damaclese
11-18-2009, 12:14 PM
this is my most precious antique was built in england in the 1850 it is characterized as Empire a stile originating during Napoleons rain note the imperialistic boxy form the pediments are curved the columns are of curly mahogany the rest of the piece is veined of satin and crouch wood Mahogany all but one piece of glass are original and even have the original mineral glazing its in its original finish i have oiled it ones a year it has a small bit of damage to its verniers i have saved all the pieces and occasionally i repair it the only damage is to the upper desk drawer where it was inundated with water that cam threw are roof on September 18 1993 when a un documented Tornado swept threw are small town of Lexington Mo riping the roof off of are historic residence Linwood lawn also built in the 1950's you can look up my old house on the net if you would like
there is some back ground on this piece but i won't go in to that unless you all want me to
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26943&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26943&ppuser=2612)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26944&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26944&ppuser=2612)
CValentine
11-18-2009, 01:21 PM
BACKGROUND!! BACKGROUND!! BACKGROUND!! (((PLEASE???))) :)
LOVE the stories behind old pieces Paulo!!! :) ~Cheryl
damaclese
11-18-2009, 02:37 PM
well as i said it was built in England in the 1850 it was originally a matched pair they became separated in the late 1950s for reasons i am unaware of
the second one was at one time part of the collection of the Blare House in Washington DC but dose not apper to be there any more at least its not listed in there web site at this time i don't know the original builders name i did at one time as the Smithsonian has approached me on 3 different occasions trying to persuade me to donate it to there collections which leads me to believe the other one is in there care and they want to reunite them but they have always denied that but you know how antiques are they often tell some small white lyes to get things i seem to remember that the original builder was famous for his furniture and there are several pieces in various museums around the US I'm sure later tonight all remember his name if i do all post it i acquired this piece in 1989 at an auction in Palm springs which by the way is a grate place to get bargains on real stuff but you better know what your are doing as theirs allot of bogus sellers living there this particular dealer has sold me some wonderful pieces over the years so i trust him sorry cant say his name as he only deals to select people and would not welcome strangers hes vary attached to his inventory and will only part with them if he thinks you are going to take care of it i will post more pictures of other things latter i have a fabo Edison diamond disk player with many original recordings including a rather nice piece by Tchaikovsky
Thanx :) Paul, for all the great info! That wood looks almost tiger-striped, Luv it!! Would Luv to see some of your other stuff, too! Dont have many antiques around our house, cept maybe in the attic.
Thanx :) Cheryl, for gettin him to talk about it!
damaclese
11-18-2009, 07:03 PM
o thers plenty more were that came from! most people who come to my house start to stare blankly as i exsplane most of are antiqus so its nice to share with some one that likes the history if not the piece
damaclese
11-19-2009, 10:50 AM
heres a picture of are Edison Diamond disk player this is not a Victrola this particular one was built in 1918 i think i don't want to open it to recheck but thats what i remember the biggest difference between this player and the Victrola is that the Diamond disk uses a Diamond of course and the reproducer moves in an up and down motion rather then the side to side that the Victrola dose
"question" can any one tell me why RCA the originator of the Victrola used the side to side motion on the reproducing needle when Clearly the Up and down motion of the Edison Player was Superior in quality"
OK I'm going to past the pictures and then post the history of the diamond disk in the next posting
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26988&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26988&ppuser=2612)
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26989&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26989&ppuser=2612)
damaclese
11-19-2009, 11:02 AM
heres a link to the history of the Edison disk player fascinating the scull dugary alone would make for a grate move! RCA Victor and Edison hated each other and thats not an over statement of there feeling at all ! each would have pushed the other down a set of stairs and laughed wile the other was on there way down! weren't the good old days before regulation Fantastic!
Edison Film and Sound: The History of the Edison Disc Phonograph (http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/edhtml/eddschst.html)
That's incredible! 1/4 inch discs, wow! Curious... what's the big black crank for? Also, the story said they were selling cylinders before they sold discs... How'd they make music with a cylinder?
island cassie
11-19-2009, 11:03 PM
Paulo - your wonderful cabinet is made of what is known in England as "matched flame mahogany" and the panels are matched by being sawn in sequence and then opened to give a mirror image (sorry - hard to describe but if you look at the panels you will know what I mean). I have done some furniture restoration and french polishing in my "antiques period" and flame mahogany is one of my favourites. You have a lovely piece of furniture!
damaclese
11-20-2009, 09:27 AM
Paulo - your wonderful cabinet is made of what is known in England as "matched flame mahogany" and the panels are matched by being sawn in sequence and then opened to give a mirror image (sorry - hard to describe but if you look at the panels you will know what I mean). I have done some furniture restoration and french polishing in my "antiques period" and flame mahogany is one of my favourites. You have a lovely piece of furniture!
thanks i was aware i have worked with Veneers for many years i love marquetry this type of mahogany is cut from the crotch of the tree for those of you that do not know what the crotch is this is the part of the tree were the main trunk branches off if you slice down the middle of the tree you will get thees types of grain patterns at the intersections of the branches incidentally veneers aside this is also a vary strong part of the tree the intermixing of various grains in their y patterns leads to grate strength and was used extensively in the ship building industry for blocks and tackle instead of Iron which rust quickly in the presence of sea water
damaclese
11-20-2009, 09:40 AM
That's incredible! 1/4 inch discs, wow! Curious... what's the big black crank for? Also, the story said they were selling cylinders before they sold discs... How'd they make music with a cylinder?
Eric the cylinder player was the first type of recording device the cylinder would be turned as a special cutting needle was placed against it surface the needle was attached to a sounding horn much like the ones you see on old Victrolas there person wishing to record his or her voice would speak in to the opened end of the horn the sound vibrations would be conducted to a Diaphram at its narrow end the needle would then vibrate cutting a groove in to the cylinder their by preserving or recording the voice thees were sold much like records and there are many examples still available i had a cylinder player until it was stolon in a brake in at my home in Lexington MO thees types of devoices are rare and highly sought after fetching a fairly high prices at auction Edison invented the cylinder player his first recording is quite famous all try to find a link to it
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the Black crank is just that a crank for winding up a large spring called an engine in the player this was the main mechanical power sours for turning the table of the player my Spring broke a couple of years ago believe it or not there is a huge industry devoted to make after market historically correct repair parts for thees player there just vary costly
damaclese
11-20-2009, 11:28 AM
OK heres a table i recently restored its not of an grate value monetarily but i liked its lines when i purchased it was in an action strip this is were the majority of finish has been removed to let you see the nature of the piece but its not a complete strip and the detail is dirty or has finishes still in it so i striped it the rest of the way after getting it completely cleaned and polished i realized that this was a mass produced piece for the 1850 note how theirs no ormolu (brass of silver decorations placed on piece) they could have been removed but i did not see any evidence of nail holes were ormolu would have been placed also the wood is a kind called gum its a vary hard wood but its so dense that it wont take a stain so all finishes color has to be applied to the top cote of the pics then after looking at the top i realized that it was mad up of quite small 4" strips glued together no descent manufacturer of that day would have done that unless it was a cheep piece or they intended for it to be painted which was a another clue as to its age as Empire is often mad with a combination of mahogany and painted woods or walnuts or i have even seen various exotic veneers like Zebra wood or tortoise Shell inlay this piece has no evidence of any kind of exotic treatments (I wish) the legs are of the same Gum Wood the only fairly nice grain was on the bottom shelf so i resolved to just paint it i was kinda disappointed and let it set for several weeks when i cam back to it i then decided to see if i could use one of thees colored finishes to at least get some wood tones and it worked pretty good except on the top were you could clearly see the fact that the top was mad of many small boards so inspiration took over i painted the top and finished the bottom i think in comparison to its original appearance its look damn fine if i do say so my self the paint is lacquer and the finish is Tong Oil (one of my favorites easy to apply looks incredible)
one sad side not the top pint i tinted my self this left the paint sum what unstable for a long time which resulted in some marring on the top from the pieces you see setting on it now so this winter i have to fix just the top
now i know i stated that this piece was from the 1850 I'm not 100% sure of that it could be a reproduction (yes they did them even back then) it mite even be a vary simplified Second Emptier Revival which would date it to late 1870 Pleas don't come back to me that its Victorian as its clearly not!! there just no Choschsky decoration like you would find on Queen Ann and the sweep of the legs defiantly suggest Empire to me i know topically with Empire one one find a carved or highly ornamentally applied leg but as i said i think this was a mass produced piece so some times they would simplify them for the sake of ease of manufacture also the leg are joined with a vary massive iron wing nut that measure 2" wide if it were newer the metal work would be finer and smaller the threads of thees nuts are clearly hand cut being of a coarse nature were as in the 1880 or later the bolt threads would be of the finer type also as i stated there iron and by the 1880 one sees steel nuts and bolts so for those of you that are new to the Antique and collectible market its the small details that make the biggest impact on how a piece is perceived which is were the value lies not in the piece its self as they say "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
url=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=27026&ppuser=2612]http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=27026&size=1[/url]
this is a list of links of prevalent styles of the 19th and early 20 century you will also find many other links to fallow to expand on any interest relating to art design architecture Furniture or just about any thing in the decorative arts good luck have fun
Paul
Empire style - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_style)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Empire_(architecture)
Victorian architecture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_architecture)
Renaissance Revival architecture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Renaissance)
Romanesque Revival architecture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanesque_Revival_architecture)
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