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Gabe15
11-05-2009, 10:15 PM
This is my 'Pisang Jari Buaya' ('Crocadile Fingers'), I think I planted it near the end of 2008 (still can't find the data on the exact date...). It's been rather vigorous, lots of pups produced, a nice looking first bunch too. The next bunch shouldn't be too far behind.

1/31/09
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26240&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26240&ppuser=5)

11/1/09
http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26241&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26241&ppuser=5)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26243&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26243&ppuser=5)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26242&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26242&ppuser=5)

http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=26247&size=1 (http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=26247&ppuser=5)

jeffreyp
11-05-2009, 10:31 PM
beautiful cluster of fruit...looks like the leaves have a bunch of wind damage.

momoese
11-05-2009, 11:00 PM
That's very cool!

Rmplmnz
11-06-2009, 08:43 AM
This is indeed a nice banana. I had commented in an earlier thread that the erect habit of the leaves is somewhat reminiscence of Fei.

djmb74
11-06-2009, 08:59 AM
Nice! Now I gotta add that to my list of wants.... haha

Caloosamusa
11-06-2009, 09:13 AM
Thanks for sharing Gabe!! Rmplmnz grows some really nice ones as well! :2239:

ccamp
11-07-2009, 09:20 AM
Anyone offering this variety for sale? What a great looking plant.

Caloosamusa
11-09-2009, 03:59 PM
CCamp,

Look up GoingBananas.com, Don and katie in Homestead have them for sale. :2239:

kaczercat
11-09-2009, 05:07 PM
OMGOSH !! that plant is tooo cool ! love that style :) thnx so much Gabe for the pics

Rmplmnz
11-29-2009, 12:32 PM
Anyone offering this variety for sale? What a great looking plant.

Where are you located?

If you ever make it to Tampa I will give you one.

Gabe15
11-29-2009, 02:53 PM
I've just found the data about when I planted it.

It was planted on September 20th 2008 and began flowering on September 10th 2009, 355 days.

Hopefully they will be ready to harvest before I leave for winter break.

Dalmatiansoap
11-29-2009, 03:00 PM
Wow, thats fast growth
:woohoonaner:

Gabe15
11-29-2009, 03:14 PM
It is good for here, but the fastest plants (of different varieties) have been flowering at about 7-8 months after planting.

novisyatria
11-29-2009, 07:21 PM
Gabe, i think pisang jari buaya from ndonesia or south east asia? because word Pisang Jari Buaya is Indonesian language. this variety there is in here. my father planted its when i was child.

Rmplmnz
02-16-2013, 06:02 PM
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Bananaking29
02-16-2013, 07:23 PM
Can you send some seeds? :D

Rmplmnz
02-16-2013, 11:12 PM
Can you send some seeds? :D

This species does not have viable seeds.

Paulzie32
05-28-2016, 02:54 PM
You grow this one Rmplmnz? You showed me Monkey Finger but I didn't see Crocodile Finger.

Rmplmnz
05-28-2016, 04:45 PM
You grow this one Rmplmnz? You showed me Monkey Finger but I didn't see Crocodile Finger.

Yes, we grow PJB. It currently has a raceme on it with the telltale variegated bloom.

I will be sure to point it out next time you visit.

mushtaq86
05-29-2016, 02:20 PM
Yes, we grow PJB. It currently has a raceme on it with the telltale variegated bloom.

I will be sure to point it out next time you visit.


Hi Chris

Your PJB looks different to Gabe, the fruit dosnt l look erect compared to Gabe, is that because its not filled out.PJB, Crocodile fingers and Monkey finger, come under one name on the wiki, bit confused, if you could clear it up for me.Thanks

Rmplmnz
05-29-2016, 08:25 PM
Hi Chris

Your PJB looks different to Gabe, the fruit dosnt l look erect compared to Gabe, is that because its not filled out.PJB, Crocodile fingers and Monkey finger, come under one name on the wiki, bit confused, if you could clear it up for me.Thanks

Hello Mushtaq,

I have pics of my plant (I need to find) that look identical to Gabe's plant. Look at the purple variegation on the two blooms (the variegation and purple color are consistent between the two plants). I think Merce3 posted similar pictures. So to answer your question it is the camera angle and my picture is very early in the bloom cycle; but the blooms/fruit look the same. I will take some pictures tomorrow for you.

Nomenclature with bananas is tough. I have come across reference to at least three different banana species being referred to as Crocodile Finger. Monkey Finger, Ebon Musak and Pisang Jare Buri. I have seen PJB spelled so many different ways I have lost track. Pisang Jari Buaya, Pisang Jari Buri, Pisang Jari Buari, etc.,

This is one of the challenges we all face.There is so much information contained within the forums it can be difficult to sift through everything. That is why I no longer start new threads (not discouraging anyone else from starting new threads;just me). I have a list of threads I follow/am subscribed to and try and add to those threads (trying to catalog banana information).

PJB is a great plant, very cold sensitive and not widely planted.

Chris:0519:

mushtaq86
05-30-2016, 04:00 AM
Hello Mushtaq,

I have pics of my plant (I need to find) that look identical to Gabe's plant. Look at the purple variegation on the two blooms (the variegation and purple color are consistent between the two plants). I think Merce3 posted similar pictures. So to answer your question it is the camera angle and my picture is very early in the bloom cycle; but the blooms/fruit look the same. I will take some pictures tomorrow for you.

Nomenclature with bananas is tough. I have come across reference to at least three different banana species being referred to as Crocodile Finger. Monkey Finger, Ebon Musak and Pisang Jare Buri. I have seen PJB spelled so many different ways I have lost track. Pisang Jari Buaya, Pisang Jari Buri, Pisang Jari Buari, etc.,

This is one of the challenges we all face.There is so much information contained within the forums it can be difficult to sift through everything. That is why I no longer start new threads (not discouraging anyone else from starting new threads;just me). I have a list of threads I follow/am subscribed to and try and add to those threads (trying to catalog banana information).

PJB is a great plant, very cold sensitive and not widely planted.

Chris:0519:

Hi Chris

Thanks for clearing it up for me:bananas_b

Rmplmnz
05-30-2016, 11:48 AM
Whew..what a pain. Windows 10 image "orientation" tags are a nightmare! Windows explorer shows one orientation, all the other applications show a different. Here we go....

All pictures take 2016 05 30 (unless otherwise noted) Tampa, FL:

Pisang Jari Buaya (there are two Kandarin Racemes surrounding the PJB raceme)
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/30691721@N03/albums/72157668726848981" title="Pisang Jari Buaya banana"><img src="https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7027/27360341115_5b397186ae_b.jpg" width="1024" height="682" alt="Pisang Jari Buaya banana"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Monkey Finger
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/30691721@N03/albums/72157668693673062" title="Monkey Finger Banana"><img src="https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7365/26753620754_ffa4958c36_b.jpg" width="682" height="1024" alt="Monkey Finger Banana"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ebon Musak
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/30691721@N03/albums/72157669113574115" title="Ebon Musak Banana"><img src="https://c4.staticflickr.com/8/7491/27360939515_6b141715af_b.jpg" width="682" height="1024" alt="Ebon Musak Banana"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

mushtaq86
05-30-2016, 12:03 PM
Whew..what a pain. Windows 10 image "orientation" tags are a nightmare! Windows explorer shows one orientation, all the other applications show a different. Then Flickr kept giving me upload errors..new account with Imgur.

All pictures take 2016 05 30 (unless otherwise noted) Tampa, FL:

Pisang Jari Buaya (there are two Kandarin Racemes surrounding the PJB raceme)
Pisang Jari Buaya Tampa, FL - Album on Imgur (http://imgur.com/a/gMfrP)

Monkey Finger
2016 05 30 Tampa, FL Monkey Finger Banana - Album on Imgur (http://imgur.com/a/AL3Cg)

Ebon Musak
Ebon Musak Tampa, FL - Album on Imgur (http://imgur.com/a/Z76ii)


You can quite clearly see the difference in the flower bud, between PJB and Monkey finger.Thanks Chris

robguz24
05-30-2016, 12:47 PM
The PJB and Monkey Fingers are quite different. I thought they were supposed to be the same. So PJB is Crocodile Fingers it seems, but is there another name for Monkey Fingers, the plant with the huge rack?

Rmplmnz
05-30-2016, 01:11 PM
The PJB and Monkey Fingers are quite different. I thought they were supposed to be the same. So PJB is Crocodile Fingers it seems, but is there another name for Monkey Fingers, the plant with the huge rack?

No doubt these two bananas are significantly different.

Don has a pic on the Going Bananas web site of a Monkey Finger raceme with 18 hands of fruit:
Going Bananas of Homestead Florida Banana & Banana Plant Descriptions (http://going-bananas.com/bananaplantdescriptions.htm#MONKEY) FINGER

Again we are back to nomenclature.

A friend came over to our garden yesterday with his Caribbean girlfriend and she was quick to correct me that one of the plants we were discussing was a "plantain" and not a "banana". I tried as eloquently as possible to explain that her boyfriend was experiencing bananas with an open mind and that as knowledgeable as some people are that grow up with tropical fruits it is difficult to perceive plants differently than the mind set we grew up with. She took one look at the Ele Ele banana I gave her and stated they were very common in Puerto Rico (until I peeled it and the pulp was orange tinted). She smiled and opened her mind to banana varietal information....

Rob, I apologize as I know this does not answer your question. I like how bananas are discussed in Moorea and Tahiti (French Polynesia) where they refer to bananas two ways. You are looking for Bananas to eat or Bananas to cook?

Paulzie32
05-30-2016, 03:51 PM
I'm very new here... but on the Wiki, I find many contradictory statements to those found on other sites or elsewhere online. For instance,... The Wiki shows "Musa Monkey Fingers" as "Desert banana", But "Musa Ebun Musak" it shows is a "Cooking banana".

Is one a desert and one a cooking banana?

Rmplmnz
05-30-2016, 06:51 PM
Is one a desert and one a cooking banana?

I love this question!

I gave a friend some very green Monkey Finger bananas and he boiled them green with Salt Fish. It amazes me when I learn yet another way to eat bananas. Hua Moa is tops on my list; green you can make tostones or boil them. When ripe they can be eaten out of hand, pan fried or microwaved (and a few more things I did not mention).

Paul, the good thing is you are local, so you will have the opportunity to taste both!

Gabe15
05-31-2016, 12:21 AM
The difference between dessert and cooking bananas is cultural preference. The bananas don't come with instructions, and you can use them however you like. It's definitely true that different cultivars are appreciated and or lend themselves well to particular recipes or uses, but there isn't anything inherent that dictates whether they must be cooked or eaten raw, or juiced, or brewed, or dried, or ground into flour, or any of the other many different ways to use bananas.

mushtaq86
05-31-2016, 01:17 AM
The difference between djustert and cooking bananas is cultural preference. The bananas don't come with instructions, and you can use them however you like. It's definitely true that different cultivars are appreciated and or lend themselves well to particular recipes or uses, but there isn't anything inherent that dictates whether they must be cooked or eaten raw, or juiced, or brewed, or dried, or ground into flour, or any of the other many different ways to use bananas.

Hi Gabe

majority of us though PJB was monkey finger, just would like your opinion on it.

Thanks

Paulzie32
05-31-2016, 06:44 AM
Thanks Gabe. I always thought of cooking bananas as those that are not as sweet (at least until what many consider over ripe), and are more dense and starchy, and Desert bananas higher in sugar content, Softer when just yellow and more palatable (to many) eaten uncooked.

But like I said, I'm very new here. The more I learn and even think about it, even store bought Cavendish bananas are eaten uncooked OR cooked. I myself have used them in Banana Bread, Pancakes, Bananas Foster and more.
I've also eaten Orinoco uncooked as well as a Plantain bought at the supermarket uncooked and it wasn't horrible. But When Ripe, even those I've fried and then tossed in Cinnamon and Sugar making a nice desert item. So, maybe calling one "Desert" and the other "Cooking" is not a good way to separate them.
Like Rmplmnz mentioned, They're referred to as "Cooking" or "Eating" in some parts of the world... even though Both are "Eating" Bananas, cooked or uncooked/raw.
So, I've been looking at the statement on the Wiki as a "Guide" to which way a banana is preferred or more commonly used and if referred to as a "Desert" banana, I would expect it to be one that is softer, less starchy and eaten raw/uncooked when just yellow.

But the reason I even brought it ups is if both (Monkey and Crocodile fingers) were considered to be the same or confused as the same, but yet one is considered a Desert and one is considered a Cooking banana on the wiki on this site, then where was the confusion? Is one Softer and less starchy?
Looking at Pics they appear to grow differently on the raceme, but maybe that's just the photos I'm seeing.