View Full Version : I really need Freezepruf !
crawler
10-15-2009, 04:22 AM
Hi,
A live in Croatia, and nobody want to sell me a Freezepruf. I mean, nobody ships this kind of stuff to Croatia.
Is there someone who can buy this product, and send it to me private?
Payment optional.
Thank you
Tom :2722:
jeffreyp
10-15-2009, 06:49 AM
I think someone posted the ingredients, I think it's possible to mix up your own from local sources.
crawler
10-15-2009, 08:11 AM
Well, maybe we can make this a last option.
Does anybody have a link to that post?
coolrobby2003
10-15-2009, 08:25 AM
what is a freezepruf?...if i can ill send you one!
bikoro child
10-15-2009, 08:38 AM
Does it work really?
jeffreyp
10-15-2009, 08:57 AM
I think if you can find some auto antifreeze based on PEG (polyethylene glycol) mix it with water to a 2 % solution you would basically have the same thing. Be sure before you do this you are not infringing on any patents here or abroad before proceeding...Polyethylene glycol (PEG) is a polymer made for ethylene oxide. It comes in almost any MW, from 200 to 60,000. 400 to 12,000 are the most common with 400 the most common for liquids and 2,500 for solid. (Anything over 800 to 1,000 is a solid at room temp.) It is nontoxic at any reasonable level. It is nonpolar while having lots of hydroxyl functionality. This makes it great for getting things to stay soluble in oil. Used a lot for compatibility reasons. Can also be used as a painless vehicle, instead of oil. Drawbacks include high viscosity and thermoplastic tendencies becoming more pronounced at the higher MWs. Also has mechanical properties (surface tension) that cause it to separate from oil.
Technical info: CAS# 25322-68-3, Miscible in water at the lower MWs slowly decreasing as the MW goes up. Density: range: 1.1 to 1.2 (increases as molecular weight increases) Melting Point: Melting point increases as molecular weight increases: PEG 400 = 4-8C (39-46F) PEG 600 = 20-25C (68-77F) PEG1500 = 44-48C (111-118F)
mbfirey
10-15-2009, 09:10 AM
I'd love to hear if anyone's had results from Freezepruf or the Home-made stuff.
I appreciate the previous post but it's probably hard for most of us to be able to read an antifreeze label figure out the % and then mix to 2%.
It would be nice to get a "formula" using exact amounts of, say, a common antifreeze and water.
Patty in Wisc
10-15-2009, 11:54 AM
Seems to me I just saw an ad here for freezpruf. From what I read last year, you spray it on plant & it keeps it around 7 to 9 degrees warmer. Won't do me any good though LOL.
Dalmatiansoap
10-15-2009, 01:12 PM
Hi,
A live in Croatia, and nobody want to sell me a Freezepruf. I mean, nobody ships this kind of stuff to Croatia.
Is there someone who can buy this product, and send it to me private?
Payment optional.
Thank you
Tom :2722:
Hi Tom
where is Croatia?
Never heard of that ;).
Great Woods???:ha::ha::ha:
Conratulations
:woohoonaner:
Dalmatiansoap
10-15-2009, 01:20 PM
Šalu na stranu.
Jesi proba ovde:
FreezePruf - Improves Freeze Tolerance Up to 9.4 Degrees (http://www.liquidfence.com/FreezePruf.html)
:woohoonaner:
Seweryn
10-15-2009, 02:32 PM
It's hard to believe that it really works. Have anybody tested it? I suppose it may protect plants in Croatia but for sure will not protect my plant here in Poland when a real winter will come.
Ps. we have now unexpected winter attact. It appeared about 1 month earlier than usually and damaged a lot of trees which havent lost their leaves yet.
<a href=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=25021&ppuser=4139><img src=http://www.bananas.org/gallery/watermark.php?file=25021&size=1 border=0></a>
saltydad
10-15-2009, 06:49 PM
Sorry to see the early snow, Seweryn. And I was moaning about the 'cold' weather we've been having here. Hope you don't suffer any lasting damage to your plants.
crawler
10-16-2009, 03:09 AM
Šalu na stranu.
Jesi proba ovde:
FreezePruf - Improves Freeze Tolerance Up to 9.4 Degrees (http://www.liquidfence.com/FreezePruf.html)
:woohoonaner:
To sam prvo probao. Nema sanse...ne salju.
Ajmo nastavit na engleskom, da se neko ne uvrijedi
Pozdrav
crawler
10-16-2009, 03:22 AM
It would be best if someone from European Union can help me.
Croatian Customs are wery flexible if the shipment is from EU.
:woohoonaner:
JuniPerez
11-01-2009, 12:10 PM
I'd love to hear if anyone's had results from Freezepruf or the Home-made stuff.
I appreciate the previous post but it's probably hard for most of us to be able to read an antifreeze label figure out the % and then mix to 2%.
It would be nice to get a "formula" using exact amounts of, say, a common antifreeze and water.
I used freezepruf a few weeks ago on my plants and they did well with lows dipping into the upper 20's. I couldn't see any sign of leaf damage. I used it on my Musa basjoos, Musa sikkimensis, Musella lasiocarpa, canna lilies, Butia capitata, Trachycarpus (takil, fortunei, wagnerianus, and latisectus).
My palms have survived colder than that without the freezepruf. What I was watching were the cannas and the bananas. I don't know at what temps exactly any of them would start getting leaf damage, but they lived through that. So IMHO, freezepruf can extend my time with these plants by a couple months per year.
palmtree
11-01-2009, 04:54 PM
Where do you get freeze pruf anyway. I would perfer to get it locally, or off ebay. I think I could really use it because 5 degrees for me would be a zone 8! I heard its like living 200 miles farther south when you put on freeze pruf, but im not sure about the accuracy in that.
JuniPerez
11-01-2009, 07:31 PM
I got mine at liquidfence.com
I don't know if there are local retailers carrying it, last time I checked there were not.
I saw that they said it was like moving your plants 200 miles south, but that's not always true... moving my plants 20 miles south would prop them up at a zone 5, which is colder than my zone 6... lol. I'd stick to claiming it's half a zone hardier... so that'd be a zone 6b for me. = )
palmtree
11-01-2009, 07:33 PM
Thanks for the info. Ill probably refrain from buying it until I start hearing alot of sucess stories.
I emailed the company if Freezepruf is available in Europe. I hope there'll be a positve reply soon.
51st state
11-02-2009, 03:54 PM
following on from JeffreyP's comments about Polyethylene glycol (PEG) above. I'm just doing a bit of checking with German colleagues but it may be the case that certain widely available antifreezes for solar hot water systems and ground source heat pumps are based on PEG. I will come back when I have the info. These would be cheap and fairly widely available in Europe.
austinl01
11-02-2009, 08:36 PM
I wonder if Freezepruf would help pseudostems overwinter under the crawl space or in the garage by providing a little extra warmth. Any thoughts?
51st state
11-03-2009, 07:26 AM
Not too sure about that. I'm no chemist but my understanding is that what it's doing is coating the plant to stop water being in direct contact (which in a freeze would turn to ice crystals) not sure exactly how it stops the water contained within the plants cells from freezing? can anyone provide more info.
JuniPerez
11-03-2009, 08:49 AM
Not too sure about that. I'm no chemist but my understanding is that what it's doing is coating the plant to stop water being in direct contact (which in a freeze would turn to ice crystals) not sure exactly how it stops the water contained within the plants cells from freezing? can anyone provide more info.
From the explanation I see, it absorbs INTO the plant as well. It helps reduce damage from ice crystal formation within the cells.
jeffreyp
11-03-2009, 01:12 PM
I bet a good root soaking of the stuff would help protect stems once it is taken in throughout the vascular parts of the plant.
51st state
11-03-2009, 01:58 PM
Do we know for definite that Freezepruf contains PEG? Does it list contents on the side of the bottle?
I've found a source for PEG 300. and as this stuff is neat 5 litres of it at 2% will make 250litres. enough to spray for years.
crawler
11-04-2009, 02:24 AM
Ok People, that's all nice, but who will buy it and then send it to me ???
...and the lucky winner is.. :drum::drum::drum: !!!
JuniPerez
11-04-2009, 07:19 AM
Does it list contents on the side of the bottle?
Yes, the ingredients are on the side of the bottle. It's all classified as "food-grade" ingredients that are already used in the food production industry... so I'd say any substitute ingredients you use should fall under that category.
The PEG shows up as Polyethylene Glycol 8000 (MSDS: http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Polyethylene_glycol_8000-9926627), if I remember well. I'll list the ingredients once I get home... unless someone else wants to beat me to it. = )
51st state
11-04-2009, 02:18 PM
cool, I can get food grade, so just need to figure the concentration
jeffreyp
11-04-2009, 04:18 PM
In the beginning of this thread someone posted it, it was 2%.
JuniPerez
11-04-2009, 06:24 PM
Okay... here are the bottle's listed ingredients:
Active Ingredients: Polyethylene glycol 8000 8.00%, Glycerin 0.25%
Other Ingredients: 91.75% (Water; Bicyclic Oxozolidines; Silicic Acid; potasium salt; Silicone Polyether Copolymer)
This is on a 1 Qt concentrate bottle. This you mix with water at a 1:3 ratio to make one gallon of FreezePruf.
figafita
11-04-2009, 11:08 PM
Does it works? Anybody tried it?
JuniPerez
11-05-2009, 06:42 AM
Well, I don't know at what temperatures the Musa basjoo or sikkimensis would get damage, but mine had no damage that I could see, even along the edges, after temperatures falling below freezing and barely climbing to the 40's in the days for a few weeks. I had sprayed them a couple of weeks before. Someone else had a basjoo with damage in the upper 30's or low 40's somewhere. The canna lilies are still up and unharmed and those are supposed to be much less hardy than the bananas. They were sprayed too. I'd have to have left one plant of each to see what damage it suffered compared to the FreezePruf'd ones, but I couldn't leave one out. Fatherly instinct I guess... lol.
jeffreyp
11-05-2009, 03:30 PM
It's probably great stuff if you live in the south and have occasional freezes throughout the winter or up north if you want to extend the gardening season. You'd need some sort of non toxic high concentration of antifreeze that could penetrate the plant entirely for a plant to survive hard freezes.
51st state
11-05-2009, 06:26 PM
[QUOTE=JuniPerez;107007]Okay... here are the bottle's listed ingredients:
Active Ingredients: Polyethylene glycol 8000 8.00%, Glycerin 0.25%
QUOTE]
thanks for that, in a post 9/11 world I'd better not try and bulk buy the Glycerin. I'd end up with a swat team at my door :ha:
jeffreyp
11-05-2009, 09:36 PM
wonderiring the purpose of glycerin ? Perhaps a surfactant? you could probably get that from glycerin soap...
JuniPerez
11-06-2009, 01:09 PM
I think Glycerin is used as a protectant (??). I read somewhere it's used to preserve leaves or something.
jwmahloch
11-17-2009, 11:45 AM
Freezepruf works and it will not harm your banana plants. I have been using it since early October on my banana plants (musa basjoo and Musa Bordeleen). As of today (Nov 17) my banana plants still look great. I live in St Peters MO 9St Loius metro area). We have had a couple nights below freezing here (low of 30 on Oct 18th). My neighboors bananas were toast after the freeze a month ago. I bought the concentrate and mixed it in a pressure sprayer. I needed a ladder to get the top of my plants since they are about 12 feet tall.:0517:
mjdsinsacto
11-17-2009, 12:51 PM
Well, I don't know at what temperatures the Musa basjoo or sikkimensis would get damage, but mine had no damage that I could see, even along the edges, after temperatures falling below freezing and barely climbing to the 40's in the days for a few weeks. I had sprayed them a couple of weeks before. Someone else had a basjoo with damage in the upper 30's or low 40's somewhere. The canna lilies are still up and unharmed and those are supposed to be much less hardy than the bananas. They were sprayed too. I'd have to have left one plant of each to see what damage it suffered compared to the FreezePruf'd ones, but I couldn't leave one out. Fatherly instinct I guess... lol.
:) We cannot cannibalize our children for the sake of science.
bananabeginner
11-17-2009, 01:40 PM
Hi just wondering if this stuff is like RV antifreeze, which is also none toxic? I will see if I have some around here to check the ingredients.
jwmahloch
11-17-2009, 01:58 PM
According to Liquid Fence Co and Dr. David Frankco Freeze pruf is non-toxic. I listened to an online radio interview with Dr. Frankco and he said you could drink it and it would not harm you. Its pretty expensive so I wouldnt recommend drinking it. Dr. Frankco told me in an email that he tested freeze pruf on musa basjoo and the plant was unharmed at 28 degrees. Below 28 freeze damage will begin to occur. I used it on my canna lillys and no damage at 30 degrees.
It hasnt gotten below 30 here in St Louis yet this fall so I am still waiting to see what happens. - Jeremy
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