Tropicallvr

Thanks Gabe,
Maybe it would be better to stick to cross seedless edibles, but from what you say it's alot more complicated, and I might end up getting seeded ones by that method also.
Probally best to stick to ornamental crosses, but you did help clarify that nagging question about helens hybrid.
Maybe a better idea just to try to dig and import some of those high elevation ones allready growing there, who knows they might be from the same area as Musa CA gold. They certainly have been around a long time in the area, and I even saw some Phoenix dactylefera (Date Palm) that was the orange stem/petiole kind thats very rare and usually only found in Spain, but it was growing in some really remote places that the Spainish inhabitated(keeping to the highlands to avoid malaria on the coast). Anyways I'll bet they brought in some nanars way back when too, and maybe they were already cold hardy, or mutated or the past few 100 years.
I'm all ears if ya have any more ideas about hybridizing.